New FF13 Trailer

[Sephiroth]

Oh, the irony. It's quite tasty, really, but it gets boring after some YEARS.

It debends on how much you like the series I can play any of the old ones and I never get bored of playing them

[Rock it.]

It debends on how much you like the series I can play any of the old ones and I never get bored of playing them

Apperently, my point was missed (if it wasn't, yours ain't very clear either). I was stating, in an ironic way (or so I tried), that the series hasn't really changed sh*t in years, and yet, with every new FF release, people act like it's something unnaturally awesome. I find it amazing that Square is still making profit with this series: You'd think that after devs. like Bioware, and hell, Bethesda, have gone mainstream people would look back at Final Fantasy and say; "you know, I'm not actually role playing here. I haven't for 20 years!". I'd find it funny some years ago, but it's simply annoying now.

[Alzaire]

You'd think that after devs. like Bioware, and hell, Bethesda, have gone mainstream people would look back at Final Fantasy and say; "you know, I'm not actually role playing here. I haven't for 20 years!". I'd find it funny some years ago, but it's simply annoying now.

But what does it matter what the term RPG means? In fact, in my opinion, I see nothing wrong with it at all. Role playing in essence can never really be achieved by a literal definition in games. You are limited to whatever restrictions placed within character creation the game involves, so no matter what you are still playing a character that isn't really you nor a direct incarnation of yourself.

If you prefer the "western" idea of RPG compared to Japanese RPGs, that's fine and I've got no issue with that. But I don't think you're really right in considering a game where you play the role of a predetermined character throughout a story as anything less then an Role Playing Game. You're still playing a role that is not yourself, and until Virtual Reality ever comes into perfect form, you'll never be you within a game. It's really only a difference between a First Person RPG (by first person I mean where you -create- the character as opposed to...) a Third Person RPG where you play the role of a predetermined character in a story.

Beyond those, it's simply a difference in how much extra side-content and the amount of choices for possible split-paths that differ them in any way. You can't play as yourself in literal, and creating your own character or playing as a predetermined character is still playing as someone who isn't you.

There's no big difference enough to even debate the idea of what an RPG is. People that do are simply either Western RPG Fanboys or JRPG Fanboys that dislike the other kind and want a reason to put the other down somehow. They're both RPGs, just different kinds.

Play what you want to play that fits what you like. If you don't like the Final Fantasy style, don't play it. But don't sit there and try to diss the mainstream who still enjoy the series and that kind of RPG type, whether you think it sucks or doesn't fit your definite of what role playing is to you. Role playing is simply playing the role of a character that isn't yourself in reality. It's as simple as that, though I expect some people will still try and look up some kind of wiki or dictionary to try and word a definition to go against the simple definition and tell me I'm wrong and stuff. Any other additions to what goes along with role playing to make it different from each other and create game mechanics is just extra.

When you think about it, yes most games are RPGs, and maybe there just aren't enough subclasses or mislabeled subclasses. We have First Person Shooter, but why isn't something like Oblivion called an Adventure game directly, or better yet a First Person Adventure? Neverwinter Nights would be a Third Person Adventure game. Final Fantasy would also be a Third Person Adventure game. This would mean, to me, that the term RPG is in fact too broad a distinction for the types of games it involves, even though it's literal meaning does cover everything in what is currently labeled RPG.

I wonder if my rant here, or the rants about RPG type and dislike of titles and styles within the genre would have even happened if there were better or more labels to go with them. Similar to the idea that simple lack of communication can cause friction and issues. That way you wouldn't be saying FF isn't an RPG and I wouldn't be arguing that it is. But I suppose people would always have to complain about something, and argue with others about opinions. Stereotyping in games is all it is.

Opinions are like assholes. We all have one and they are one of the best things that make us all unique and a special race. But unfortunately, our assholes is also where all our shit comes from.

[Rombie]

My issue with the FF titles since 10 is all this Japanese-Neo-Cyber-Punk crap. I'm fine with Japanese style animation and I'm fine with Cyber Punk, but I'm not fine with the two being thrust together in a gibbersh mess, especially in the new level of maximum combination like that shown in this trailer. In short, as nice as it looks on a general visual level, it also manages to look shit at the same time.

[Borman]

XI wasnt cyberpunkish, nor was 12 (that I can tell, granted Im only 5 hours in heh).

And just remember, for all the hatred of Final Fantasy, there are plenty of people hating our beloved Resident Evil. Opinions differ, deal with it

[riderkid]

10 was a nice fresh breath of air, i use bleach to forget FFX2 ( the chemical not the manga )

11 was a barrel of suck inside a suck cannon in the suck dynasty

12 was ok but it tried to be FFXI light. and it worked. revenent wings was a good experiment and it was fun.

VII kicks ass, dirge of cerberus sucks ass, and crisis core is...not half bad

altogether the FF series in the last 10 years ahs been very hit and miss. so lets not worry until we get a demo...also not to be racist but im not making this up. on the magicbox they identify the african american characters race as afro. not making tihs crap up.

[Rombie]

XI wasnt cyberpunkish, nor was 12 (that I can tell, granted Im only 5 hours in heh).

And just remember, for all the hatred of Final Fantasy, there are plenty of people hating our beloved Resident Evil. Opinions differ, deal with it

Sorry for the misquote, what I mean is in some title since appearing in 10 onwards - I didn't mean to imply every time. Although 12 has an odd blend of traditional and that weird neo-punk thing from 10 going on which I dislike about as much.

On a fundimental level I'm fine with the gameplay of the titles, each game is always going to have it's own system and so forth. But the story for every game since 10 has continued to push me away from the title as well with the look, and considering I began limiting how much time I spent on gaming FF became an easy casulty not to care about.

I'd much rather see SquareEnix work on new stuff entirely or make some sequels to other titles they have license for and give Final Fantasy a break for a couple of years more than they currently do between games. Using the point about rabid RE fans, we've waited 4+ years for both RE4 and RE5 and Street Fighter fans have been waiting even longer for a proper SF sequel... giving the series a bit of a breathing space might be a good idea.

[Borman]

FFXI and FFXII had a release difference of 4 years ;P

[aris13]

I'm not a big Final Fantasy fan but I will definetely play this one, looks very promising. The only FF game that I ever played was the one on the PS1, number 7 I think.

[Rombie]

FFXI and FFXII had a release difference of 4 years ;P

Really? I was sure it was around 2 1/2 to 3.

*checks release dates*

Wow... you're right, around 4 years. I think it was the extra packages and re-releases for the online title that made me think the gap was smaller than that.

Consider me 0wned. L;p

[Skunky]

I'm not interested in Final Fantasy, so I don't know why I was reading this thread. But this quote here:

Opinions are like assholes. We all have one and they are one of the best things that make us all unique and a special race. But unfortunately, our assholes is also where all our shit comes from.

Is a CLASSIC!

Opinions are interesting to read and forums would be dead without them. But it does get annoying when people state their own opinions as fact.
("I think so, therefore it is so...")