Vanquish - Shinji Mikami's action shooting game (plz b PN03 d 2.!)

[aris13]

Vanquish demo set for September 2 on PSN and XBL

Only for Japan.

[aris13]

^Europe will get it on September 1.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=261376

[Zombie Fred]

Looks like Europe is getting a lot more love of recent! Looking forward to getting my hands on this gem.

[Pikminister]

I'm just glad as hell that I've never been so emotionally obsessed over RE4. To the point that I would completely ignore any efforts it's Director made ever since it launched like 5 long years ago. Now I respect that users may want to spend their time hating on a particular game, movie, politician or whatever. It's their choice. But I think that judging Mikami's entire career on one single game he directed/made is a mistake. A mistake that prevented quite a few from enjoying the goodness that was God Hand and Killer 7. Mikami's post-RE4 efforts. Games full of win.

Now about the need of Vanquish being the next PN03.... I dunno about that. The traditional Mikami wonky controls and repetitive gameplay/environments were quite a drag in that game. Honestly, the game felt unfinished and rushed. It's like Mikami got the word that Capcom were about to cancel it during the Big C's restructuring steps back in 2002-2003. So it seems like Mikami wrapped production up as quickly as he could. Thus a big chunk of PN03 gameplay was filled with repetitive missions that recycled the same old boring white/grey backgrounds. Still, I admit that the game had a lot to like as well. The challenge of earning the last suit and then beating the game wearing it (1 hit kills ya) was awesome. And Vanessa sorta reminds me of Jill Valentine.... With a German accent. Hot.

Anyway, Vanquish should've been named Frenetic. The game moves so damn fast. I mostly expect that type of action from Arcade games since they don't last that long. And that makes me wonder... If we take the FMV's out, will this game last longer than.... the cutscenes put together? Or will it be one of those short experience deals..... Like Madworld?.

[Jill's Boob]

^I guess you're taking a jab at me. Nice.

I'm just glad as hell that I've never been so emotionally obsessed over RE4.

Yeah, I bet you were too busy being obsessed over the size of Jill's nose! *zing!*

To the point that I would completely ignore any efforts it's Director made ever since it launched like 5 long years ago. Now I respect that users may want to spend their time hating on a particular game, movie, politician or whatever. It's their choice. But I think that judging Mikami's entire career on one single game he directed/made is a mistake. A mistake that prevented quite a few from enjoying the goodness that was God Hand and Killer 7. Mikami's post-RE4 efforts. Games full of win.

Nice assumptions. But you know what they say about assumptions, right?

Mikami made 2 games since RE4. Well, I never had a PS2 so I never played God Hand. I had a Gamecube, and I had exactly 3 games - REmake, RE4, and Wind Waker. There was a period in my life where I didn't play many games; I had better things to do. So was I judging Mikami's career on RE4 (and thus passing up his following efforts), or did I just not play many video games? Which was it?

And so what if I hate RE4? The only reason I brought that title up is because there were a lot of similarities in the recent Vanquish trailer that compared to the events that transpired in RE4. In fact, the only Mikami games I've ever played are from the RE franchise, and they have all been fucking cheesy. Maybe you think that's pathetic that I found bits of Vanquish to be comparable to RE4. Well, I think it's pathetic that you were keen on a character in PN03 just because she looked like Jill. But hey, to each their own, right? That's what you said.

Anyway, Vanquish should've been named Frenetic.

Yeah, I already said something to that extent when I said "the frenetic action looks terrific." But lone adjectives don't exactly make good game titles.

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Back to Vanquish - new weapons trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cjToCKU__Y

[Pikminister]

^I guess you're taking a jab at me. Nice.

Not true. The way you feel about Mikami and RE4 is not unique to you. Many ppl hold that view. Amiright? I also pointed out that it's perfectly okay to feel that way too. If anyone hates a particular game, movie, politician or anything at all, it's okay. Just like it's okay to share views on why that hate can be a barrier that gets in the way of enjoying, in this case, some good games.

My point was simply to express the opinion that hating on someone can prevent you or anyone else that hates that person from enjoying any future efforts/works said person may produce. And that IMO can be a mistake. Especially if that person, like Mikami, is a talented guy. That was my point.

Yeah, I bet you were too busy being obsessed over the size of Jill's nose! *zing!*

Obsessed? Hardly. That would be true if I would've hunted down the person that made those changes on Jill's face. Find out who he/she is. What other games that person been involved in and then try to avoid playing them at all costs. And then make sure to drag his name into 70-90% of my forum discussions to try to make him or her look bad. Now THAT would be being obsessed my friend.

Nice assumptions. But you know what they say about assumptions, right?

I understand that we ALL assume. Especially when we judge people and the work they have YET to release to the public. But we all do that, right?.

Mikami made 2 games since RE4. Well, I never had a PS2 so I never played God Hand. I had a Gamecube, and I had exactly 3 games - REmake, RE4, and Wind Waker. There was a period in my life where I didn't play many games; I had better things to do. So was I judging Mikami's career on RE4 (and thus passing up his following efforts), or did I just not play many video games? Which was it??

I dunno. But I do now that regardless of his pre or post-RE4 efforts you decided to judge Mikami on what he did with RE4. And you decided that based on that game alone, to pre-judge Vanquish. Now that's okay since that's what you mostly know Mikami for. But IMO that would be like watching Indiana Jones: The Crystal Skull and judging Spielberg's future efforts on that movie alone. With someone like Mikami or Spielberg, you have to know better than that. Again, IMO.

And so what if I hate RE4? The only reason I brought that title up is because there were a lot of similarities in the recent Vanquish trailer that compared to the events that transpired in RE4. In fact, the only Mikami games I've ever played are from the RE franchise, and they have all been fucking cheesy. Maybe you think that's pathetic that I found bits of Vanquish to be comparable to RE4. Well, I think it's pathetic that you were keen on a character in PN03 just because she looked like Jill. But hey, to each their own, right? That's what you said.

Go on and hate that game. G'wan and hate it till the day you die. There are people that love the RE films. I don't care much for them. But it's okay.

I already said what my point was with my previous comment. I'm simply saying that you could be missing out on some good stuff that happens to have Mikami's signature. And I think it's best to judge each game individually. Don't you?

I love most of Mikami's games. But I felt that he failed to deliver with PN03. Big time. Yet I still look forward to anything else he comes up with. I won't hate the guy just because one of his games blew chunks. But that's just me here.

And about PN03, I merely mentioned a few of the redeeming qualities of said game (IMO). I just thought that she looked like Jill (I'm not the only one). And also the fact that I think a German accent is sexy when a woman speaks it. Yet the character could've been a spaceship or the head of a samurai and it wouldn't made much of a difference. It could've used a few more months of development.

Anyway, nice trailer.

[Jill's Boob]

^blah blah blah

What exactly is your point, "friend?" You skirt around the fact that you incorrectly assumed things about my supposed avoidance of post-RE4 Mikami efforts. And you still seem to think that I am bashing Vanquish, except that I've stated that I'm picking the game up and have looking forward to it. (Hell, I can't wait to download the demo next Tuesday and play the game - the action looks intense!) So I'm still trying to find out what it is that you're trying to say exactly, with such excessive wordiness.

Sure, the game has yet to be released, and I've not played it, but I've not said anything factual unless it is based on what I've seen in the trailers...which I am pretty sure are things/segments included in the game itself. And what I've seen in the trailers is pure unadulterated cheese.

Mikami still makes games that are fun, yes. But I'm not placing him on a pedestal like you do. I personally can't ignore that - while his games kick ass in the gameplay department, his games also tend to have piss-poor storylines and heavily-stereotyped characters - both of which are seriously off-putting to me.

And guess what, I am judging Vanquish on its own merits. And the character portrayals/developments seen thus far look like ass to me. I don't doubt that the game will be fun...I just hope the characters & story don't seriously dampen my desire to replay the game multiple times.

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Info not pertaining to petty argument: Vanquish demo available on PSN and LIVE next week.

[Pikminister]

^^^^ Jibber-jabber, yackety-yak I can be arsed into reading more crap. Yeah, the feeling is mutual here.

Y’know what? Why don’t we take this little discussion about the merits (or in your case, lack of thereof) of a game or the person who made it like half a decade ago, into PM territory? Because I don’t think ppl here will appreciate us hijacking this thread away from it’s original topic. At least I feel this is where this whole thing is going.

So what do you say? (Jedi Mind-trick: "say no")

I do have to say though, that you make some good points about Vanquish. It does look cheesy as hell. But then it's a Japanese game made by Mikami. I would be surprised if it didn't have that cheese factor.

Anyway....*YAWN*... yep. It looks frantic doesn't it?

[A-J]

So ... Vanquish huh guys ?

Loved Bayonetta, expecting nothing but bat shit insane awesomeness from this game as well. Someone remind me when this is released again, I know there's a demo coming out next week ..

[Jill's Boob]

I do have to say though, that you make some good points about Vanquish. It does look cheesy as hell. But then it's a Japanese game made by Mikami.

Haha. Wow, thanks for once again defeating your own argument. What you're reaffirming here is exactly what I said in the post you nitpicked in the first place. Bravo. We've come full-circle, right back to the beginning - making your subsequent posts both completely irrelevant and unnecessary.

I get it that you're a big Mikami fan. That's cool. I am grateful to the guy for the RE series. And I like the gameplay that he envisions and implements in his games. But I won't ignore his penchant for "cheese." We all have our likes & dislikes. At least we can both agree that Vanquish will be a most-likely day 1 purchase.

Someone remind me when this is released again, I know there's a demo coming out next week ..

10/19 - US
10/21 - JP
10/22 - EU

Should be a blast! I guess everyone will be chiming in with their opinions on the demo next week though.

[Pikminister]

Haha. Wow, thanks for once again defeating your own argument. What you're reaffirming here is exactly what I said in the post you nitpicked in the first place. Bravo. We've come full-circle, right back to the beginning - making your subsequent posts both completely irrelevant and unnecessary.

Dayam! I never denied that at all. I even said that's exactly what you can expect from Mikami (cheese factor). And I gave you credit for noticing that. And since we BOTH know (and AGREED) that he makes cheesy games... why the fuck are you complaining about that in Vanquish? It's like complaining that Michael Bay's movies has explosions or that Paris Hilton has herpes.

G'wan celebrate what was obvious to both of us. Mikami making cheesy games. Newsflash of the day (for you). Yay! Whoopie-fucking-dooo!



Ahem... enough with this shit... New vanquish article:

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010...s-in-vanquish/

[Jill's Boob]

Sheesh. Keep trying and eventually you'll reach a point. I think.

My initial post was laughing at the over-the-top cheese in the trailers for Vanquish, where I still indicated that I was anxious to play the title. You followed up with a whine-fest about my references to RE4 and how you believed I was biased against Mikami's follow-up efforts. Hell, you stated as such that I pre-judged Mikami on RE4 and all of his work apparently (thanks for taking the liberty of making up my mind for me).

All this pettiness aside, I'm still trying to see what it is you're trying to say. I joked about Vanquish's cheesy trailers, derided Mikami for his penchant for it (can I not do this? Am I not entitled to my own opinion?), and clearly stated that I played all his RE games (and missed God Hand and Killer 7 because I didn't have a PS2 or play many Gamecube games), and am still going to buy Vanquish. Yet now you're telling me that I'm complaining about Mikami. Am I? I'm so glad you keep telling me what I'm doing & thinking - it really helps you with your invalid argument.

I see that you like to get the final word in. It's cool, as we both know that you're grasping for straws and whatever the point is that you're trying to get across keeps changing with each subsequent post you make.

And there's no need to swear. Are you that angry?

Ah wait, found one of your supposed points:

My point was simply to express the opinion that hating on someone can prevent you or anyone else that hates that person from enjoying any future efforts/works said person may produce. And that IMO can be a mistake.

Am I hating on Mikami? Wow, where exactly did I express "hatred" for Mikami in this thread? And I've stated that I'm buying Vanquish, so how am I not "enjoying future efforts/works said person may produce?"

After that, you said I was "complaining" about Mikami. Yes, I said he likes cheesy elements, yet I also said he crafts fine gameplay elements. Nice analogies about Paris Hilton and Michael Bay. But people have different tastes and have the right to complain about stuff they dislike. It's not like I just made an entirely negative post. So what if I don't like cheesiness or the overly-ridiculous? I also think Pikmin looks like a stupid game for little children. Are you going to get upset about that too? Way to contradict when you said:

If anyone hates a particular game, movie, politician or anything at all, it's okay.

Your posts have been incoherent and the only thing you're proving is that you're some kind of Mikami fanboy who gets butthurt at anyone not feverishly heaping praise upon all things Mikami.

[Pikminister]

You know what bub? I just noticed that you keep editing your most recent replies to me. No wonder we can’t agree on anything.

So here’s the deal: just give me a shout out when you’re finished editing that last gem you polished to death, so I can reply to it. M'kay?

I just feel like replying to the latest version of your silly rants.


O-kay... Another brief article about Vanquish! Yeah!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/blogs/game-junkie/4063962/Games-on-my-radar

It's not much but it's a sign that there is hype for this game out there.

[Darkmoon]

Bear in mind - I am watching, and people are getting dangerously close to personal remarks.

[Jill's Boob]

You know what bub? I just noticed that you keep editing your most recent replies to me. No wonder we can’t agree on anything.

So here’s the deal: just give me a shout out when you’re finished editing that last gem you polished to death, so I can reply to it. M'kay?

Man, you are priceless. I only edited 2 recent posts - I edit them when I make spelling or grammar errors. I know that you can see what time the post was made, and what time the post was edited. One post was edited 3 minutes after it was initially published, and the other was edited within 18 minutes of my initial post - because I went back and read through your older posts looking for a point you were trying to make, and added a few thoughts (I also received a phone call during that time; sorry for not placing the utmost importance on our petty disagreement ). If I'm going to debate with someone, I'm going to use exact, specific information to make them look dumb, and with you it has been super easy. Which is why you're left trying other tactics, like repeatedly shifting your stance, playing the old "let's take this to PM" (after you get the last word in) route, then acting like you were done with this disagreement (clearly you were not), or the worst yet - ignoring my valid points by saying that I'm editing my posts in some sort of way that is illegal or deceitful - which isn't the case if you can READ the time/date stamps. The only improper etiquette would be to make edits after the other debater has entered a response. But that's not the case, is it? Still grasping at straws are you?

Do you have ZERO attention to detail? I know that you don't, because you've been incoherent in what it is that you're trying to say since you entered this thread. Everyone else here was happily talking about Vanquish, and looking forward to it, until YOU came here and derailed it by taking a potshot at me. And I've sunk to your level and for that, I am sorry to everyone else who is paying attention to this thread.

Bear in mind - I am watching, and people are getting dangerously close to personal remarks.

No worries, I'm officially done. I've wasted my breath and this troll obviously fails to comprehend. Anyone with a basic amount of common sense can see that he (she?) entered this thread because he felt that Mikami's name & honor was slighted in some ill-perceived way, and has been struggling to make argument points based on constantly-incorrect assumptions. And you know what they say about assumptions.