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  • #16
    Carn - Good points.

    Batman AA was really bad for that content, you're right. Platform exclusives and extra items, which were then added to the GOTY edition with disc specific extras like the 3D - not backward enabled to standard editions.

    Retailer DLC is fine with me if you add it as a pre-order early access perk and allow people to either access it for free in other ways down the track (ala. Lost Planet 2) or at least provide the option for purchaseable DLC content at the choice of the consumer. But then there are events like Batman AA, GTA4, and RE5 which skip it for certain consumers or early adopters.

    The thing I dislike in the latter as far as pay for DLC content that was a pre-order perk too is that I may not have brought the game on day one, but if I buy it 4 or 5 weeks later I still have to pay full price and then I'll have to pay for the DLC which I would have gotten for little to no added cost.

    My issue with DR2 is that unlike Lost Planet, it's console exclusive - which goes back to almost the same issue with the Joker content in the PS3 edition of Batman. Inherant it is, as you mentioned, for the fanbase to feel rewarded - then why limit it to a console exclusive. Personally I don't a 360, I never got around to buying one, but I am a fan of Dead Rising - I did play it thanks to a friend of mine, yet I feel I'm missing out on story, gameplay, and the perks of the upgrades you can earn before the final game releases.

    I don't want to sound entirely negative about this, but I think I'm just being a realist about the pitfalls of this being potentially larger. At the end of the day I'd love to say that various studios are going to be sensible about how they handle this sort of DL content, but honstly they wont.

    Just like 3D movies are are jump on the bandwagon event right now, which means they're handled very well to very bad, game publisher studios out there will do some horrible DLC things to consumers and some studios will be amazing and provided lots for little.

    Prince Of Persia is a pickle to me. On the one hand it's post-release DLC which means it's open to free choice. However regardless of point of ending, and how satisified any one indivudual was with the original games ending, you know most people are going to want to play that content just to see what else there is. And to bring back to the RE5 thing, I mean remember easily the generally pissy reaction about the Versus content being essentually unlocked at a price when most people considered, and backed up by the OSG, that it should have been there from the start. With those in mind you begin to understand more the fickle consumer base that could easily backlash if these sorts of things aren't done right.

    To me free demos and backwards DLC works because it's a model that puts the consumer in the same role as it always has in stores, making them feel like they have the purchase decision more. I like the demos for online download games too that allow you to play a level or something and then buy the rest if you like it for the same reason. I just think the flaw in the other way around is people have a stronger belief or reasoning, for right or wrong, to excuse themselves from buying. Be it a first time, or because they got burnt by someone elses pay-preview content.

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    • #17
      I think a lot of these things are to try and stop as many people as possible waiting for games to come out second hand by offering content they're gonna have difficulty getting otherwise. As this recent load of drama has revealed a lot of games companies think of second hand games as no better than piracy, since they don't see a penny of sales from second hand games. I disagree, myself, but that's another topic entirely.

      I must admit, the DLC I found the most annoying so far is Fallout 3's. You can't even get the cannon ending to the game without buying DLC...which, since I was silly enough to get the PS3 version of the game, was extra frustrating.

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      • #18
        Some sad news, Dead Rising Case 0 is delayed for a few weeks it seems

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        The Xbox 360-only precursor to Dead Rising 2 was scheduled to hit Xbox Live Marketplace tomorrow (August 31). Capcom has now marked the game's release date as TBA.
        Last edited by Zombie Fred; 08-30-2010, 06:56 AM.

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        • #19
          DAMN >:C



          EDIT: I hope that the delay is just for Japan.
          Last edited by BLSR1; 08-30-2010, 07:02 AM.

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          • #20


            Capcom confirmed to Famitsu that the supposedly free Dead Rising 2: Case Zero has been delayed due uncertain circumstances (inappropriate language) that the game / demo have faced.

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            • #21
              Well that's a bummer.
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              • #22
                Delay's only for the JP version apparently, the others are still on track.

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                • #23
                  good

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                  • #24
                    Zero hour is coming.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Darkmoon View Post
                      I think a lot of these things are to try and stop as many people as possible waiting for games to come out second hand by offering content they're gonna have difficulty getting otherwise. As this recent load of drama has revealed a lot of games companies think of second hand games as no better than piracy, since they don't see a penny of sales from second hand games. I disagree, myself, but that's another topic entirely.

                      I must admit, the DLC I found the most annoying so far is Fallout 3's. You can't even get the cannon ending to the game without buying DLC...which, since I was silly enough to get the PS3 version of the game, was extra frustrating.
                      Oh yeah, don't get me started also on the whole second hand market thing. Especially EA's EA Play thing. I mean aside from very old back catalog titles, I generally only buy brand new titles when I'm getting new or recent games, but even though I do that I don't think any company has general rights to become exceptionally nazi about content because of people who buy second hand.

                      If they start also restricting content on the disc without some sort of net access next, ala Steam, I'll probably give up gaming. I have the internet, but I'm not going to sign up for console gaming if it's having some sort of Orwellian overlord powers behind it.

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                      • #26
                        well this sucks. guess the High Stakes Edition is sold out. i tried ordering through two different browsers, one i got further than the other, but still can't submit order. used two different credit cards and same thing for each.
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                        • #27
                          Dead Rising Case Zero get! Glad to be back from work to play this game.

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                          • #28
                            Totally quality. Okay length too. Pretty much the type of demo content I'm used to from the PC days of the 90s. Definitively worth those 400 MS points, especially if it means there'll be more companies putting proper effort and thought into their demos (also, man, I still wish this was the release form of Lost in Nightmares)

                            Apparently, the trial version lets you play up until you reach Spoiler:



                            Also, having played it now, a few things that're on my mind:

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                            Random thought: After Resident Evil 5 and Dead Rising 2, I'd like for Remedy to go chat it up with Capcom so they'll learn how to do proper facial animation during cutscenes.
                            Last edited by Carnivol; 08-31-2010, 03:20 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Overall view of Case Zero seems positive from most sides some are saying its short but most cite it as worth several playthroughs so with that in mind 400M$ seems a good deal . . .
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                              • #30
                                Worth more than one playthrough, that's for sure. Had 3 runs so far (one self-inflicted death, one A ending and one F ending). There's "at least" 5 different ending combinations for a person to get, an okay amount of unlockables, a nice set of goals and an okay amount of freedom to leave you hungry for more.

                                Guess no matter how you twist and turn it, ending A is what leads up to Dead Rising 2, I kinda doubt all of the endings are possibly to use as a build up/intro for Dead Rising 2... unless they pull some sort of *wakes up from nightmare*-ish intro.

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