Devil May Cry series discussion/DmC anticipation (your mileage may vary)

[Member_of_STARS]

I'm laughing, I really am. This is funny. CAPCOM should hire some experts from ATVI to help them on their journey to conquer the Western gaming market.

[aris13]

http://gaming247.eu/2011/06/16/were-...latinum-games/

Yes, Capcom needs to go ahead and abort this abomination of a reboot and give Mr. Kamiya his baby back so he can make a true sequel to the original.

Kamiya is already working on Bayonetta 2 and Capcom would never outsource a frachise to their ex employees.

[Branden_Lucero]

god good, give it back to CAPCOM, not Platinum games. if DmC turns bad, at least it'll be half as decent than what Platinum Games will do to it. they'll turn into an Bayonetta feminine-anime crapfest, which i did liked, but found it extremely overrated. bring back the divine comedy. its why i liked DMC1 in the first place.

[valentinesdead?]

Kamiya is already working on Bayonetta 2 and Capcom would never outsource a frachise to their ex employees.

Which just makes them thick-headed and retarded. Their ex-employees are a major part of why they cranked out so many classic games during the ps1-ps2 decade. Of course, I didn't post that because I actually think there's a chance of it happening--just I think it's the truth. If a healthy relationship between Platinum and Capcom existed, only good things could result from it as far as gamers are concerned. But yeah, it ain't happening.

Not even a Shinji Mikami self-decapitation saving throw could result in DmC heading back to its true maker.

[Dracarys]

I hated Bayonetta, I have no idea the appeal of the game. Over(and badly)sexualised 13 year old masterbation material imo. The graphics were crap and the gameplay average once you ignore the visual nonsense, whoo she shoot from her heels while doing a handstand, this is fun! Story/acting was awful too. What was the appeal?

I do not understand the praise Platinum games have either? Madworld was utter crap, just spoke of Bayonetta, Vanquish was average like a million other action games with a boost gimmick and had awful story/acting. Each game hit the bargain bins very quickly.

I'm not a big DMC fan but I hope they go nowhere near DMC, ever. Perfect way to kill any and all interest in the series.

Platinum Games titles never sell very well so I'm forced to believe at least part of the praise they get is some sort of rooting for the little man because when it comes to actually forking out cash for these apparent quality products it repeatedly doesn't happen.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

Kamiya is insane and should probably be institutionalized. I'm looking forward to the new game because for goodness sake, did you play DMC4? The second half of the game was a total copypaste and the entire thing was BORING. At this point, I'm welcoming something totally new. Pro tip: If you expect the worst and get wrapped up in that mentality, congratulations; you’ll get the worst because you’ll be unable to change your mindset even if the end result is decent.

Sorry, I’m just so angry at how plain dumb so many people are being; Dante looks different and to them, this apparently means every single part of the game will suck. They’re being pathetic and they can’t even see it.

[aris13]

What was the appeal?

Content and the greatest combat system for a hack and slash game.

Vanquish was average like a million other action games with a boost gimmick and had awful story/acting.

No it wasn't. Yes the story was crap but compared to other generic shooters Vanquish is a masterpiece. The game introduced some interesting game mechanics and the level design was A-M-A-Z-I-N-G.

Kamiya is insane and should probably be institutionalized.

Um what?

[Rombie]

Sorry, I’m just so angry at how plain dumb so many people are being; Dante looks different and to them, this apparently means every single part of the game will suck. They’re being pathetic and they can’t even see it.

Personally I think the entire game will suck because a) Ninja Theory's track record is crap, and b) the gameplay shown at E3 was fairly shit. The Dante issue is just the shitcoated cherry on the top of all that. But that's just my own opinion on the issue.

[Mr_Zombie]

To me, the universal backlash for DmC, which hasn't even seen any in-depth previews, let alone a release, just seems harsh and hasty. From what I understand, most of it's based on the fact that Dante coifs his hair in an emo/hipster style.

Dante's new look is just a part of the problem - you do not change an iconic look simply because. Just look at Tomb Raider - the series went through few semi-reboots (some successful, some not), yet every time Lara showed up you could easily say that's her.

However, the real problem here is Ninja Theory. They are making some decent action/adventure games, but they put too much emphasize on story/characters and not enough on gameplay, and DMC is all about gameplay (lol at people saying that DmC will be better because it will at least have good story). Fighting mechanics in both Heavily Sword and Enslaved were good enough for a PoP/GoW-style of game, but when compared to DMC/Ninja Gaiden/Bayonetta trio, they were awful. Add the input lag (due to them putting more emphasize on animation than responsiveness) and 30fps (hopefully, because neither HS nor Enslaved managed to run on constant 30fps) and you have the recipe for disaster.

Also, on those new screenshots/trailer the game looks worse than DMC4, both technically (jaggies!) and design-wise (awfully looking monsters).

[Member_of_STARS]

Sorry, I’m just so angry at how plain dumb so many people are being; Dante looks different and to them, this apparently means every single part of the game will suck. They’re being pathetic and they can’t even see it.

It's people like you why there are so many franchises which have turned to shit. When people do not appreciate established values, traits and qualities, the developer is free to do anything with the series.

Rermember, we've seen this very same reaction before. With another franchise which by now is unrecognizable. Unfortunately for you, Dante's appearance and his whole "imago" is one of the cornerstones of DMC. Changing him into something which no group that I know of can immerse into or associate themselves with, it's destroying one of key elements why DMC is popular.

The power or videogame characters should not be underestimated.

[Mr_Zombie]

did you play DMC4? The second half of the game was a total copypaste and the entire thing was BORING.

The game did reuse levels and bosses, but at the same time:
- introduces new enemies (at least on Human/Devil Hunter difficulty level; IIRC those enemies already are present in Nero's part of the game on higher difficulty levels)
- the locations are a little bit changed (portals in the forest, poison gas in the underground laboratory, frozen castle, different parts of the town etc.)
- you're playing as a totally different character, with different abilities and weapon set; so even if you're fighting against the same enemies and bosses, you're fighting them differently. By your logic, going through DMC3 SE as Vergil would be BORING because you're going through exactly the same levels, enemies, bosses and puzzles as you did while playing as Dante; it isn't.

Not to mention, even if the second part really were a copypaste of the first part, with nothing changed at all, it still wouldn't be boring. It's DMC - even a Bloody Palace where it's just you, tons of enemies and a timer, is still exciting as hell due to a great fighting system.

Also, can someone explain to me why people shit on DMC4 for repeating level (even though those levels do introduce new hazards and enemies) as Dante in the second part of the game, while I haven't heard such complains about DMC3; in that game, after the Teminigru is activated, you also go through previously visited places that are more or less changed due to tower's activation. The same goes for boss rush - both DMC4 and DMC3 had a chapter with it, but only one of those games are criticized for that level.

[Canas Renvall]

a) Ninja Theory's track record is crap

Enslaved: Odyssey to the West.

Good day to you, sir.

(Not defending NT's direction with the DmC series, but I'll be damned if this game doesn't get the recognition it deserves. Sleeper hit of 2010.)

[Rombie]

^ I didn't hate Enslaved but it wasn't great either. It had weak physics, sloppy controls and a bad frame rate, things which do not bode well for what Devil May Cry needs.

Combine this with the issues of Heavenly Sword, and I still stand by their poor track record as not a good thing.

[Mr. Spencer]

So basically, DmC will be a short subpar third-person hack and slash game with poor framerate and weak controls. Sounds like we're onto a winner here, ladies and gentlemen. Better get those preorders in!

[Vogue_Dirge]

New Dante reminds me of a male model named Ash Stymest.


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Also this game looks like an angsty love child between old DMC and Suckerpunch.