Devil May Cry series discussion/DmC anticipation (your mileage may vary)

[Pikminister]

Aaaand of course Capcom goes back to their wonderful, wonderful ways.

Goes back?

BTW, I'm mostly interested in this reboot because I want to see if it works out or not. Not in terms of the game being any good (it is actually quite decent). But in terms of how it does financially speaking... because Capcom luvs money.

If DmC works out for them, then we could possibly have Capcom doing something similar with their other franchises.

[Dracarys]

[MiLØ]

Mr. Obama should totally pull DmC off the shelves and then force Capcom to make a new reboot starring african-american Dante.

[Member_of_STARS]

Mr. Obama should totally pull DmC off the shelves and then force Capcom to make a new reboot starring african-american Dante.

Will most likely be closer to the "real deal" than the current pile of trash. Although not nearly as ridiculous as the Tomb Raider rape victim reboot.

[Carnivol]

What I've learned from monitoring people's feedback on recent reboots;

1. "Gamers" are superficial little kids with weird entitlement issues
2. Media is still the best device for mind control
3. "Looks" matter more than anything else (is this what the anime crowd has brought to the gaming side?)

Like, how would a black Dante make it "closer to the real deal" and what's "trash" about the new one?
Or Tomb Raider? I can list a billion concerns regarding its narrative and design from all the previews I've seen, "rape victim" never made my list - nor did any of the devs comments about the game and their intentions.

[Pikminister]

That petition was actually started by several DmC fans (including many NeoGAF users) in an effort to make DmC haters look ridiculous and stupid.

Its funny how several sites took it seriously.

I guess the internet's sarcasm detector was out of order.

[Gradon]

Although not nearly as ridiculous as the Tomb Raider rape victim reboot.

Tomb Raider has nothing to do with 'rape'. God the media made a huge deal out of a guy trying to take advantage of her and kill. 'Advocating rape!' You know, rape does happen, how is it anything different from getting murderers in games? Besides that, no rape was even implied, he just touched her and she kicked him and killed him... As well as character development for the first human she was forced to kill to live.

Referring to the reboot itself, Tomb Raider needed it AGAIN because Crystal Dynamics were forced to to create a game in under a year again, Eidos was doing what they did with Core Design. Underworld was disappointing and extremely low quality compared to Anniversary and Legend.

At least with Tomb Raider Crystal Dynamics have had loads of time to re-create the franchise in another new and interesting way. There are far worse things than Tomb Raider or DmC's reboot, and I think quite frankly fans these days are being pathetic and obnoxious over the most trivial reasons ever.

[Rombie]

Unlike what Carn said, I don't think it had anything to do with direct content rape comment, it had to do with one of the senior staff stating it was attempted rape in interviews at the E3. You can't be anymore or any less clear. That's not press assuming the content from the game, they were told that.

[Gradon]

Oh, I remember that comment. It was taken way too literal though. Nothing in the scene implied rape at all. Regardless, no rape actually happened. So when everyone moaned that it featured rape it was just a pathetic excuse to slander the game.

[Rombie]

Again though the guy said it. It's not about mistakingly reporting something because it was misunderstood. They asked directly about the scene and his response was given on it. It was his comment that made their PR people have to come back and downplayed the attempted rape/general tone he had commented on as, and I quote, "threatening undertone" only.

I don't doubt rape was never on the cards but the producer should also be thinking about the image of the game he is suggesting entirely because the media are going to latch on to buzz ideas and concepts.

[Gradon]

Better choice of words could've been used. I agree wholeheartedly. People using it against the game though is really annoying however.

[Member_of_STARS]

1. "Gamers" are superficial little kids with weird entitlement issues

You haven't been paying close attention to the way information is presented in a very controlled manner by the devs themselves. As a fellow "gamer" (oh the irony), you should have. The sense of entitlement comes from two reasons- one, a reboot is still using the old name and characters in order to lure in the old crowd. If they were after the new market, they would have dropped the old concept and developed a new one. A reboot is a shallow attempt at securing as much from the old fanbase as possible while appealing to (usually) everyone else for drastically increased market appeal. Someone who has followed a series for years expects a certain product, this is not a wrong kind of mentality. Games are not just button mashing excercises with appealing names.

2. Media is still the best device for mind control

A bit melodramatic, don't you think?

3. "Looks" matter more than anything else (is this what the anime crowd has brought to the gaming side?)

I remember an argument with you about gameplay depth and requirement for micro- and macromanagement where you defended a graphically superior, more modern game against one which is now 15 years old yet vastly surpassed your "protectee". You funny man, you.

Like, how would a black Dante make it "closer to the real deal" and what's "trash" about the new one?

I thought the statement was preposterous enough for nobody to take it seriously enough to quote, while grasping the general idea behind overhauling a character enough to it having no resemblence with the original one. I guess I was wrong, there are still some people who, even with such a lenghty time spent roaming the internets, still need to be spoonfed.

Or Tomb Raider? I can list a billion concerns regarding its narrative and design from all the previews I've seen, "rape victim" never made my list - nor did any of the devs comments about the game and their intentions.

Trying to put that "media- the mindcontrol machine" notion to the test?

Gradon, I never said the game advocated rape. Take it down a notch. I do find the use of such questionably sensitive methods a bit odd if devs want to add some depth to the character. In the end, "questionable" is exactly the right term if everything else about character development will be lackluster, "intense"- a term which will be used when everything else will be just as immersive and powerful.

[Carnivol]

"Media" for some reason decided to blow the whole rape thing out of proportions, as if the fact that a video game narrative contains rape in it somehow means that it's a scene where you sit down with your whole family on a saturday evening, roll die, and take turn 'aving laughs and raping little girls for entertainment.

Regarding "Looks", I mean that people are very quick at judging books by their cover (or the 3D model of the main characters, in gaming cases). Oddly enough, while not without its fair share of controversies and Internet drama, the average movie fan does seem more down to earth when it comes to his/her taking issues with a different spin/interpretation of a character in a remake/reboot/whatever of something. (Also, I don't recall ever having the graphics of Halo Wars jotted down as something that made me enjoy playing it more than an add infinity match of Starcraft. Halo Wars could've looked visually looked like Building of a Dynasty, for all I care, as long as it pulled off the same gameplay concepts)

Also, a reboot isn't something you do to "leech off the old fanbase". In general, that's the last thing you wanna do. It's generally something you do because the current state of a franchise and/or its fanbase isn't sustainable. Things are stale. Sales are dropping. Fans are lactose intollerant. Newcomers are scared off. Things are culturally outdated. Etc. So in general, it involves getting down and dirty with what is generally considered the weak points of a product and try to fix them and/or somehow shaking up the formula whilst taking a new approach to something. Devil May Cry, in its current state, was a complete mess. A main game that was basically just the salvaged biproduct of what initially was a completely different game/franchise, a sequel that's widely regarded as one of the worst sequels ever, a prequel that split people even further (especially around the time the anime dropped), another sequel that added Captain Emo to the "cool" and so forth. Sure. DMC4 had a good launch, but it didn't exactly set the world on fire. It came out, looked nice, was spat on and got left for dead. If anything, the HD collection coming out to remind the world what a polarized mess the franchise was probably even further boosted the need for a new spin on it all.

[Dracarys]

At least with Tomb Raider Crystal Dynamics have had loads of time to re-create the franchise in another new and interesting way.

You mean clone Uncharted?

[Gradon]

You mean clone Uncharted?

Come on, what was every accusation Uncharted had when it was first released?