Official E3 2011 Thread

[Pikminister]

Pik - For some reason you keep calling me dewd which is weird, and while I have lots of reasons to reply to your extended wall of reply, between the two I give up. I don't agree yet I don't disagree with everything either, clearly I just have a viewpoint thats different than yours. Just too much damn text to reply to point to point.

Edit - Finally, I retract the comment about A:CM based on the later updates by Pickford.

Yeah, we gotta agree to disagree.

And 'dewd' is just another way of writing 'dude'. Its not an insult, if that's what you thought it meant.

@BBboy20 - IMO I think TRADITIONAL gamers won.

Because it was clear that all those analysts that predicted doom for the Home Console market last year at the Developers Conference, were dead wrong. They claimed that the mobile market was going to make the 'traditional' gaming market obsolete.

You see, a lot of those that still hang on to the fanboy mentality among us, need to realize that this war is no longer among Sony, MS and Nintendo.

I was watching the news and I noticed that a lot of the mainstream media (not the traditional gaming media), is still trying to sell the idea that Apple, Google, Facebook, Android, etc. is where gaming is going. That consumers are wasting their time with 'dinosaur' systems such as home consoles and handhelds like the PSP and 3DS/DS.

So I am glad that all 3 (Sony, MS and Nintendo) had something great to offer. I want them to keep fighting not against each other, but to keep the traditional gaming market ALIVE.

[Member_of_STARS]

Pikminster, what do you mean by "traditional gaming"? Because if you take the last 10 years into consideration, gaming has changed significantly. From fundamentals up all the way to the smallest of details. The merging of gaming and social networking is just one of those things which makes those analysts half-correct. The other argument is gaming becoming (has become some time ago) a consumer product, driven and sold on hype, good marketing, image.

The reason "PC gaming" (take this with some sarcasm) is ahead of console gaming is precisely because of those "silly" Facebook-esque games. (yes, even those are considered games). Because the actual and real casual gamers play Farmville, and not Super Mario.

[Pikminister]

Pikminster, what do you mean by "traditional gaming"? Because if you take the last 10 years into consideration, gaming has changed significantly. From fundamentals up all the way to the smallest of details. The merging of gaming and social networking is just one of those things which makes those analysts half-correct. The other argument is gaming becoming (has become some time ago) a consumer product, driven and sold on hype, good marketing, image.

The reason "PC gaming" (take this with some sarcasm) is ahead of console gaming is precisely because of those "silly" Facebook-esque games. (yes, even those are considered games). Because the actual and real casual gamers play Farmville, and not Super Mario.

By traditional gaming, I was writing about gaming done on home consoles and game handhelds. And that's how some mainstream media sources call it.

They see traditional gaming as a thing of the past. That will quickly be superseded by social games.

If you watch CNN, MSNBC and other non-gaming media, you will notice that some reporters and analysts speak about consoles and gaming handhelds like a dying breed that is trying to stay alive in a world that THEY see as being dominated by Apple, Google, Facebook, Android, etc.

Thus why it is important that all of those that support the 'traditional' game market, stick together and put aside all the silly fanboy crap that just makes it easier for many to just stay out of it and let it die.

[Branden_Lucero]

So who won E3? Most would say Sony but the real winner is all the really cool shit that wasn't shown on any of the 3 conferences. =/

told you.

in fact, i've been seeing around that the Wii U will only be able to use one Tablet at a time, and everyone else has to use old Wii accessories. also, the Tablet would not be sold in stores.

man if this shit is true, i won't be buying a Nintendo console for a looooong time.

[PracticalAl]

told you.

in fact, i've been seeing around that the Wii U will only be able to use one Tablet at a time, and everyone else has to use old Wii accessories. also, the Tablet would not be sold in stores.

man if this shit is true, i won't be buying a Nintendo console for a looooong time.

If games are specifically designed for one player to use a tablet controller, and that player can pass the tablet around to anyone, I don't see an issue. All the tech demos shown so far have made great use of one tablet and Wii remotes for the other players. You'll be saving money too. Can you imagine buying 4 tablet controllers for $80-$100 each??

And even with all that said, the idea of more than one tablet is not out the window yet. The console is still being developed at this point.

[Rombie]

told you.

in fact, i've been seeing around that the Wii U will only be able to use one Tablet at a time, and everyone else has to use old Wii accessories. also, the Tablet would not be sold in stores.

man if this shit is true, i won't be buying a Nintendo console for a looooong time.

I don't think it is true. One of the pushes (I'm sure mentioned at the Press event) or maybe in one of the IV's after was the idea that it will be possible for two players to play a game against each other on the controllers, with their screens showing two different displays (aside from that they also showed two people playing a game on one control device as mentioned above, and it's been commented on about Dev's having other ideas to do with local multiplayer with the device). I think the issue is they're working on something not fully decided yet, it probably won't be until Nintendo locks down the final design and starts issuing development kits to studios that'll we'll find out whats happening.

Pik - Nevermind then about the comments in regards to dewd. All good.

Need to go back to some of the sites today and see what videos and impressions have been posted, I haven't checked for a while.

[Member_of_STARS]

By traditional gaming, I was writing about gaming done on home consoles and game handhelds. And that's how some mainstream media sources call it.

I know what you meant, but that was exactly the point. "Traditional gamers" (in this context, I'm referring to only console gamers) of today have been gamers for just a few years. The whole idea of traditional gaming is preposterous, considering the changes I've personally seen in the whole mindset over the last 10 years. Even in 2004, the whole idea of multiplayer gaming among console players was frowned upon (massive generalization, but that was the trend). And I mean "way past reasonable arguments" viewed negatively.

The opinion on using internet through your console? "I have a cheap desktop for that".

As consoles replace more and more entertainment devices with each new generation, at some point the whole idea of home consoles (and "traditional gaming") will change yet again.

They see traditional gaming as a thing of the past. That will quickly be superseded by social games.

You don't believe this to be true? All the features you see which make this generation consoles as popular as they are, are all related to social networking and interaction with other people / multiplayer. Then we have the whole longetivity aspect of modern games, which are mostly "play until the next big thing arrives", and this is directly fueled by the whole hype factor, which thrives on social gaming. You may not take your X360 outside just yet, you "will soon", so to speak. There are mobile phones with quad core processors, dude!

If you watch CNN, MSNBC and other non-gaming media, you will notice that some reporters and analysts speak about consoles and gaming handhelds like a dying breed that is trying to stay alive in a world that THEY see as being dominated by Apple, Google, Facebook, Android, etc.

We're not talking about Christian doomsday prophets here. As soon as you close the gap between console and mobile hardware, consoles are out. And that gap is closing frighteningly fast. Especially, considering that buying a console has long since seized to be a more affordable home entertainment slash gaming platform option.

Thus why it is important that all of those that support the 'traditional' game market, stick together and put aside all the silly fanboy crap that just makes it easier for many to just stay out of it and let it die.

Actually, I welcome and embrace it. Current gen gaming has shaped my hobby towards a direction I cannot like.

[Mr. Spencer]

Phelps, badge twelve forty-seven.

What's the deal here?

[Member_of_STARS]

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The concept of "traditional gaming" in my opinion being a somewhat hypocritical thing, considering how easily influenced by PR and technological advancement a console gamer is. While at first glance the mainstream media might not* have a clue about gaming, I believe they do.

[Mr. Spencer]

Thanks for the folder, MoS. You drive, I need to go over the case notes.

[Member_of_STARS]

Thanks for the folder, MoS. You drive, I need to go over the case notes.

Keep rubbing it in, they haven't given me the opportunity to play it on a PC yet...

[Pikminister]

told you.

in fact, i've been seeing around that the Wii U will only be able to use one Tablet at a time, and everyone else has to use old Wii accessories. also, the Tablet would not be sold in stores.

man if this shit is true, i won't be buying a Nintendo console for a looooong time.

I don't think its true. The whole 1 controller thing.

Ubisoft already said that their Ghost Recon game for the Wii U will have the capability to employ many such screens at once. In fact, it will be the main draw.

And the fact that the Wii U uses Wii remotes is just obvious, considering that the new console is an upgraded Wii. And it will be backward compatible with Wii games. Using a Wii Remote is better for certain games anyway. Like Sports games.


@ Member_of_STARS - No, obviously social gaming is a uber strong market that is making waves even within the traditional gaming market. That's why I think most gamers that do their gaming on traditional devices, need to realize that the war is no longer limited to the big 3. It involves bigger foes that are targeting their market. Trying to do away with it to fulfill their bottom-line agenda. And replace it with something that most gamers agree, they do not want.

Many media sources are gleefully claiming that traditional gaming is out-dated and soon to be replaced by SG. IMO the big flaw in their theory is their belief that traditional gamers will actually abandon traditional gaming for the shallow and time-wastin/killing experiences they get on most mobile devices (with some exceptions).

The present challenge for traditional gaming companies, is to show that they offer more bang for consumer's bucks.

[Member_of_STARS]

Pikminster, the problem here lies in the fact that gamers actually do want shallow bullshit which lasts until a sequel comes out. I mean, it would be ignorant of me (or us) to sit here and say that games like MW2 are amazing and show just how much quality there is in gaming these days... When it's by far THE greatest testament to gaming becoming something it once wasn't. There is a lot more to it than just that, but the trends I've noticed during my gaming days definitely point towards videogames becoming more of a social thing, this means a lot of "pick up and go" aswell as "take out and show-off" aspects becoming more popular.

Most gamers are fickle. They like what the majority thinks they like which itsself is shaped by good PR. A couple of years down the line, and what used to be mediocre today, passes off as amazing tomorrow.

And just as gaming companies have realized that the content itsself is not as important as the image attached to it, the consumers are still buying shit up, even when they come to the forums to complain about how bad it was.

The whole "vote with your wallet" approach doesn't work. While you may have admirable opinion and position on where the industry should go, there is no way you can compete with the masses who are influenced by Kobe Bryant shooting shit up in a commercial. And if he will do this on his brand new Motorola which offers good gameplay as a handheld console, with impressive graphics, then all the reason in the world won't help your cause. Well... the fact that we get so little for every buck spent on AAA titles these days doesn't help much either.

[Pikminister]

Well you see, I think you're bundling together traditional gamers with twitch gamers. They're not the same.

The ones you're complaining about, are twitch gamers a.k.a. CoD fanatics. For them, videogaming comes down to just one type of game: CoD or anything else that smells like CoD. Thus why Activision is presently trying to cash in on those damn lemmings. Because they buy anything with the CoD title on it. (just want to make it clear here that not all CoD gamers fit this description, so please don't hate).

They first started coming into the home console arena, soon after the PC gaming market started to slow (die) down. With no game companies supporting that market, these FPS fanatics found a new home on certain consoles (especially on one that starts with an X).

And that's why presently the FPS/shooter amd similar genres are king. While other genres (especially RPG's) are barely hanging on to life. Trying to survive in a world dominated by these new type of casuals (because that's basically what they are... cuz not all casuals are the type that play mini-games. They also play popular games like CoD).

You saw that at this E3.... Where Square-Enix execs twitted about feelin' blue because they had almost zero RPG games to show at the event. It was mostly action/shooters courtesy of Eidos.

Anyway, my previous point was that even those type of gamers need to support the home console/traditional gaming market. Unless they think they can get their gaming fix on an iPad or android device.

[BBboy20]

Hitman is an assassin simulator, Tomb Raider doesn't appear to have guns, and Human Revolution is a FPS RPG that doesn't have twitched based shooting mechanics and an intricate story so I'm not understanding the Eidos part. I think they were more disappointed with their industry as a whole being sorely lacked in presence at E3 then their Eidos line-up (which is also what's helping them stay afloat).