metal gear solid

[missvalentine]

Fixed, top-down camera angles =/= Stealth. Your post makes no sense.

I wasn't saying a top down camera = stealth.

It's just a top down camera is a million times better for atmosphere and it also makes it more cinematic which is what MGS is known for. I loved how when i got up against a wall the camera would go down low then look around the side of the wall. That was cool to do.


It seems like people are trying to get rid of the classic camera angle type games, soon every game is gonna be a bloody FPS or TPS.

God of War 3 better still have the same camera that 1 and 2 had.

[nemesiswontdie]

what made the atmosphere in MGS was the setting and the music and what was going on at the time, not the camera angle.

[missvalentine]

what made the atmosphere in MGS was the setting and the music and what was going on at the time, not the camera angle.

The position of the camera and what it shows you always adds to the atmoshere. It's called Mise en Scene.

Can you imagine a movie where the camera just followed the protagonist the whole time? How boring would that be?

[nemesiswontdie]

movies arnt interactive so yha it would be boring cause your just watching now a game is diffrent.
you do no that you can switch the camera angle in MGS4 right? just click R3. and it goes right behind snake and when you get up against a wall it will do the same.

im sticking to what i said. atmosphere isnt controlled by camera angles its about the situation, music and setting.

[missvalentine]

movies arnt interactive so yha it would be boring cause your just watching now a game is diffrent.
you do no that you can switch the camera angle in MGS4 right? just click R3. and it goes right behind snake and when you get up against a wall it will do the same.

im sticking to what i said. atmosphere isnt controlled by camera angles its about the situation, music and setting.

A lot of things go into the Atmoshpere, and the position of the camera and what the directors is doing with it is one of them. Imagine if RE had been made in first person like it was originally going to be, would it even be half as atmospheric as it is with those awesome camera angles?

[nemesiswontdie]

maybe, i enjoyed the story line of RE the camera angles didnt really matter to me, they were supposed to be scary so you couldnt see what was infront of you or next to you or what ever but i was playing to get scared 15% of the time and the other 85% went into the story line cause my friend said it had a good story line.

[missvalentine]

Found the MGS thread!

Anyways, I prefer MGS2 Raiden, and don't like how many of the characters have progressed in MGS4.

[nemesiswontdie]

they had to! you cant stay the same in 5 years hell i was diffrent in 5 years ago.

things have to change

[missvalentine]

they had to! you cant stay the same in 5 years hell i was diffrent in 5 years ago.

things have to change

Yeah i know, but they don't have to go all emo depressing.

Raiden could have had a better story that wasn't a Grey Fox remake, Snake could have aged normally. Kojima should have spent more time on writing this instead of enlarging his ego by making throwbacks to himself.


The progression of Snake between MGS1 and MGS2 is a good one i think. Solid Snake in MGS2 is probably my favorite incarnation of his character.

[nemesiswontdie]

they didnt go all emo. where the fuck are you getting that from?
Raiden lost 2 loved ones
Snake is getting old
Otacon looses another loved one thats IT.

Snake ages fast cause he is a clone he would have aged normally if he was born normally but he wasnt he is a clone.

[missvalentine]

they didnt go all emo. where the fuck are you getting that from?
Raiden lost 2 loved ones
Snake is getting old
Otacon looses another loved one thats IT.

Snake ages fast cause he is a clone he would have aged normally if he was born normally but he wasnt he is a clone.

Yeah, i was just using a figure of speech.

Anyways Otacon loosing his woman for a third time was sad, but it was another reference to a previous Metal Gear game, It has happened in ever game he has appeared in. I wanted something original. Raiden i just hated his super powers. Snake, well i didn't like old snake at all. He was just depressing to play as, what with the psych level and all. I didn't like seeing him as an old man.

[nemesiswontdie]

so does that mean its depressing to play as Naked Snake in MGS3? i mean he has a psych gauge to.Raiden didnt have super powers his body is a machine which can do things a person with a human body cant.Snake being old is caused by him being a clone and cause they made him that way and he also cant reproduce so Big Boss's gene's wont be all over the place.

[missvalentine]

so does that mean its depressing to play as Naked Snake in MGS3? i mean he has a psych gauge to.Raiden didnt have super powers his body is a machine which can do things a person with a human body cant.Snake being old is caused by him being a clone and cause they made him that way and he also cant reproduce so Big Boss's gene's wont be all over the place.

No, Naked Snake is awesome. He has a Stamina gauge by the way.

I know how Raiden can do the things, I just wonder why? Why on earth do that?

I mean if in RE6 Wesker came back as a cyborg ninja from the future with a fire truck with laser eyes, and capcom gave a good explanation of how it happened. It would still be stupid nonetheless.

And if RE6 had Leon as an aged old man with grey hair who waved around his walking stick and had a bad it would be stupid too.

[nemesiswontdie]

now your comparing to diffrent genre's.

the patriots made Raiden a cyborg ninja cause it was payback for stealing Sunny and making him live like a freak. If you couldnt tell he didnt like having that body.

[Vector]

missv, I'm sorry to say but your arguments are terrible. If you didn't like the game, you didn't like the game. That's fine. And trust me...everyone here knows you didn't like MGS4...but the reasons you're using to support your argument are weak. You're grasping at straws. And to be honest, you're beating a dead horse with this "OMG I HAYTE MGS4" thing. The act is old. Find something new to troll.