metal gear solid

[missvalentine]

thats true, but your looking at him negatively.

i find it bad ass that he can survive in the forest full of soldiers after him, then defeating a huge ass machine, then helping my favorite mgs character gray fox.

plus hes funny. (codec moments)

to missvalentine.

if u don't find the 2 disk subsistance, u arnt gonna be playing mg1 and mg2 cuz there on the 2nd disk.

yes he's funny, and those are all reasons why Naked Snake is badass.


i mean Darth Vader is badass and everyone loves Darth Vader yet he slaughtered children in the Jedi Temple.


also i think MGS3 has the greatest codec moments in history.

damn, well ill have to look carefuly for the 2 disk version. cause i don't have a NES or MSX2 so i can't play it on those.

[adamb1029]

i remember the one about eating scorpions XD
its what inspired me to acctualy EAT one IRL

[Darkmoon]

Difference of opinion then I suppose. There are some crimes that bad ass doesn't cover. I wouldn't be able to stand, for example, someone who happens to be fairly badass while raping people and shooting a woman pregnant with his own child. No matter how cool and badass. Happily having kids killed for his cause falls into the same category...he's a prick, no matter how good his reasons. They'll never be good enough.

EDIT: No, don't like Vader either.

[nemesiswontdie]

Difference of opinion then I suppose. There are some crimes that bad ass doesn't cover. I wouldn't be able to stand, for example, someone who happens to be fairly badass while raping people and shooting a woman pregnant with his own child. No matter how cool and badass. Happily having kids killed for his cause falls into the same category...he's a prick, no matter how good his reasons. They'll never be good enough.

EDIT: No, don't like Vader either.

i suppose. but thats true again badassness (which isnt a word btw lol) doesnt cover certain thing.

and 4 the record i too dont like vader

[missvalentine]

Difference of opinion then I suppose. There are some crimes that bad ass doesn't cover. I wouldn't be able to stand, for example, someone who happens to be fairly badass while raping people and shooting a woman pregnant with his own child. No matter how cool and badass. Happily having kids killed for his cause falls into the same category...he's a prick, no matter how good his reasons. They'll never be good enough.

EDIT: No, don't like Vader either.

yeah i get what your saying. and your right.

but still in MGS3 he hadn't done any of that stuff yet, and i didn't know he was going to do that in the future, i just though of him as Naked Snake.

i remember the one about eating scorpions XD
its what inspired me to acctualy EAT one IRL

did it taste good?

i suppose. but thats true again badassness (which isnt a word btw lol) doesnt cover certain thing.

and 4 the record i too dont like vader

i think Vader is ok, i liked Boba Fett better though.

[adamb1029]

Naked Snake>>>>>>>>>>Big boss
and yes it tasted good

[Mr. Spencer]

When I look back now, Vulcan Raven was probably my favourite character in MGS1.

Oh, and you're all rather superficial for the reasons you've stated for liking Big Boss. Like Darkmoon said, he committed a number of war crimes and other atrocities. By your logic, is Amon Göth "cool" because he was portrayed by Ralph Fiennes? You can't say he's awesome and then overlook the actions he took in the original MetalGear games. I liked Zero a lot more than Big Boss. Sure, he's not exempt from things either but he tried to follow what The Boss wanted. What I hated about MGS4 was that Big Boss threw all of his own shit and misdeeds onto Zero's lap and blamed him for everything.

HIS sin, Big Boss? What about YOUR sins? The child soldiers, the WMDs, the threats of nuclear holocaust? What a prick.

I think Eva put it best when she said that both of them misinterpreted The Boss' will. Unfortunately, all you kids are happy to believe that Big Boss was right all along because he's a badass and therefore is invulnerable to faults.

[missvalentine]

When I look back now, Vulcan Raven was probably my favourite character in MGS1.

Oh, and you're all rather superficial for the reasons you've stated for liking Big Boss. Like Darkmoon said, he committed a number of war crimes and other atrocities. By your logic, is Amon Göth "cool" because he was portrayed by Ralph Fiennes? You can't say he's awesome and then overlook the actions he took in the original MetalGear games. I liked Zero a lot more than Big Boss. Sure, he's not exempt from things either but he tried to follow what The Boss wanted. What I hated about MGS4 was that Big Boss threw all of his own shit and misdeeds onto Zero's lap and blamed him for everything.

HIS sin, Big Boss? What about YOUR sins? The child soldiers, the WMDs, the threats of nuclear holocaust? What a prick.

I think Eva put it best when she said that both of them misinterpreted The Boss' will. Unfortunately, all you kids are happy to believe that Big Boss was right all along because he's a badass and therefore is invulnerable to faults.

hay i liked Major Zero as well, and i was super pissed they made him evil in MGS4 as well.

ive never glorified Big Boss, like i said before ive never played the orginals, i only know him as Naked Snake, and then as Big Boss in one crappy scene in MGS4's ending.

also, i did doubt what he said, i was thinking the same has you, cause i like Para-Medic more than Big Boss, and Big Boss said she, Sigint and Zero were evil. in fact, i think it's a matter of perspective, in Big Boss's eyes they were evil, but i don't think Para-Medic, Sigint and Major Zero were evil at all. i think they were good, but maybe Big Boss was the evil one.

it's confusing damnit. i mean it turns out Ocelot was good, but yet throughout the whole series he's bad. maybe Snake changed over time and turned evil himself?

so in the end the bad characters are good, and the good characters are bad, it's just messed up.

[Mr. Spencer]

That's just Kojima trying be "profound" and "inspirational", when the only "inspiration" that goes on is him taking ideas from pre-existing concepts and then ripping them off entirely and passing them off as his own. But yeah, Big Boss was far more interesting as a corpse than as a living figure. I liked his descent in MGS3, though MPO was unnecessary and just another way to bilk money from the franchise on brand power alone.

As a whole, I think the series started to go downhill with MGS3. MGS1 remains my favourite if only for the atmosphere, the music and the general feel of the game - cold, gritty, inhospitable. MGS2 had a nice cyberpunk bent behind it that was reminscient of Ghost in the Shell, but I started to lose interest with MGS3. MGS4 was the nail in the coffin.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

I can't really complain about Metal Gear Solid much. They always have so much work put into them, and I mean ALL the aspects of the game. From story to system, Kojima does a crapload of good work that most game designers wouldn't even dream about doing.

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I actually really hate it when people say something sucks simply because they don't agree with or like the direction it goes in. It seems a little... A little narrow, if you catch my drift. Not to say if you do this, I think you're narrow-minded or anything, I just think it's a bit of a shame, ESPECIALLY if something is still so good.

Good storytelling is about making lot's of sacrafices and never trying to idealize things. Otherwise you get Mary-Sue storylines in games. I think it would be a bad, bad, BAD thing if Metal Gear ever fell into that.

The one thing for me, the ONE thing, is that the whole Meryl and Akiba thing. That seemed a little silly. But honestly, that is only because it just seemed forced, usually when it comes to the story and characters, Metal Gear really developes them, but in this case it was all 'TAKE THIS AND DON'T QUESTION IT!' And that was a little bit of a let-down for me... Like they weren't reaching their usual great standards.

[adamb1029]

MGS4 was far below the previous game's bar
MGS 1,2,3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>MGS4

[Mr. Spencer]

Good work? All his "inspiration" comes from pre-existing concepts, as I've previously stated in an earlier post. The aesthetics for Snatcher came from Blade Runner, Policenauts = Lethal Weapon, etc. Where's Henry Spencer, he'll be more than happy to go through all the many different influences that Kojima has had. It's not about the direction of the games, but rather the originality of the games and Kojima's unwarranted sense of self-importance and bloated ego.

People act as though he's creative and original, when in reality he's far from it. He just copies other ideas and then throws his own spin on them. In fairness however, what I will say is that he was original with the stealth concept when he did MetalGear, that was something different and I liked those earlier games. But nowadays, folks are so willing to collectively mount his phallus over his alleged so-called "genius".

I can think of other developers who deserve better recognition, like David Braben and Tim Schafer.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

I don't see what's wrong with using things if you put your own spin on them, because isn't that how things end up being improved?

I don't really mind, and I don't really care to get too deep into it. I'm just glad that he gives me something I can enjoy. At least the games don't bore me. I'm just thankful for that.

I think everybody has their own type of creativity. Some people constantly come up with new things, others find ways to improve existing ideas.

[Mr. Spencer]

I suppose there's a difference between creativity and originality.

[aris13]

How about The Rock? Kojima stole a lot of themes from that movie. In the Rock a US Marine Unit takes over an entire island and threatens to launch a chemical weapon IIRC if their demands aren't met. In MGS1 the Fox Hound Unit takes over an entire island and threatens to launch nuclear weapons if their demands aren't met. Also, both have the hero infiltrating the island by going underwater outside the complex and then surfacing inside.

Also, Kojima took the whole foxdie - genes plotline from the movie Gattaca with Ethan Hawke and of course the tip of the iceberg, the character of Snake was taken directly from John Carpenter's Escape From New York.

MGS2 had a nice cyberpunk bent behind it that was reminscient of Ghost in the Shell

Hmmm interesting. I haven't noticed that till now.