metal gear solid

[Sephiroth]

also im really pissed about the camera in MPO, it would have been so much fun with the classic camera, the 3D camera makes it almost unplayable at times with the PSP.

Yeah the camera is a nightmer you can move the camera stick and move that the same time it's inpossible to do but I whish they just kept the old carmera as well it whould have made the game alot more easy.

[nemesiswontdie]

i didnt mind MPO but my only problem is the Null fight (Gray Fox)

[Sephiroth]

i didnt mind MPO but my only problem is the Null fight (Gray Fox)

Yeah now I now what your talking about Null aint all the problem it's with that bloody camera angle I aint count how meny times I have been killed by him it's really anoying.

[Vector]

one thing i really didn't like about MGS4 was the ammount of flashbacks and nods to the previous games and homages and how much it relied on nostalgia.

What the hell were you expecting? A 4th and final game in a series and you were expecting it to be pick-up-and-play without ANY nods to the previous games? MGS has always been like that, whether is was Gray Fox's appearance in MGS1 or Liquid's arm in MGS2, the games always relied on the previous installments for some great moments.

The only game I'd say that's actually good for picking up and playing is Snake Eater, but at the same time, I wouldn't have enjoyed that game half as much as I did if I didn't play MGS1 and MGS2 first. I remember getting chills the first time Snake said "You tend to twist your elbow to absorb the recoil...that's more of a Revolver technique."

i mean the 4th chapter was nothing but a nostalgia trip, but after the first 5 minutes it was just boring.

I wouldn't say it was boring. The Scarabs and Gekkos patrolling the facility might have seemed a little lazy but it made for better exploration. And you can't call the Crying Wolf fight boring, or the Raiden vs. Vamp/Snake vs. Gekkos fight boring, or Rex vs. RAY boring...c'mon now. That chapter was absolutely epic.

That was one of my greatest video game moments, playing through Act 4 for the first time. I, just like Snake, was revisiting Shadow Moses for the first time(not counting my hundreds of MGS1 playthroughs) and it was absolutely unbelievable. I had chills the entire time. If I remember correctly, you only started playing the series not too long ago, right? So naturally, Act 4 wouldn't appeal to you -- after all, the majority of MGS4 was pure fanservice.

I remember being short of breath during the flashback where you play MGS1 at the Heliport for a few seconds. It was...awesome, just plain awesome. MGS1 is still my favorite game of all time, and Chapter 4 was just an epic nod to the game that (really) started it all.

[Stu]

I had chills as well when entering Shadow Moses. Because you walk in from a different side of the helipad than you did in the first game it took me a second or two to realise where i was. As soon as it set in where i was my jaw was on the floor, the flashbacks during the whole level were amazing.

[Darkmoon]

I must admit, I have a save on Chapter 4. It constantly pleases me to replay that level. If nothing else Rex ripping the crap outta Ray was worth the price of admission.

[Sephiroth]

I had chills as well when entering Shadow Moses. Because you walk in from a different side of the helipad than you did in the first game it took me a second or two to realise where i was. As soon as it set in where i was my jaw was on the floor, the flashbacks during the whole level were amazing.

ChrisRedfield29
That was one of my greatest video game moments, playing through Act 4 for the first time. I, just like Snake, was revisiting Shadow Moses for the first time(not counting my hundreds of MGS1 playthroughs) and it was absolutely unbelievable. I had chills the entire time. If I remember correctly, you only started playing the series not too long ago, right? So naturally, Act 4 wouldn't appeal to you -- after all, the majority of MGS4 was pure fanservice

I now what you both mean when I first played MGS4 and got to the helipad and The best is yet to come started I got chills down my spine and I start haveing you could say flash backs of when I first play MGS 10 years ago I felt so happy at moment and when I founf the MK gun and Snake said Just like old times I got more chills.

[nemesiswontdie]

What the hell were you expecting? A 4th and final game in a series and you were expecting it to be pick-up-and-play without ANY nods to the previous games? MGS has always been like that, whether is was Gray Fox's appearance in MGS1 or Liquid's arm in MGS2, the games always relied on the previous installments for some great moments.

The only game I'd say that's actually good for picking up and playing is Snake Eater, but at the same time, I wouldn't have enjoyed that game half as much as I did if I didn't play MGS1 and MGS2 first. I remember getting chills the first time Snake said "You tend to twist your elbow to absorb the recoil...that's more of a Revolver technique."



I wouldn't say it was boring. The Scarabs and Gekkos patrolling the facility might have seemed a little lazy but it made for better exploration. And you can't call the Crying Wolf fight boring, or the Raiden vs. Vamp/Snake vs. Gekkos fight boring, or Rex vs. RAY boring...c'mon now. That chapter was absolutely epic.

That was one of my greatest video game moments, playing through Act 4 for the first time. I, just like Snake, was revisiting Shadow Moses for the first time(not counting my hundreds of MGS1 playthroughs) and it was absolutely unbelievable. I had chills the entire time. If I remember correctly, you only started playing the series not too long ago, right? So naturally, Act 4 wouldn't appeal to you -- after all, the majority of MGS4 was pure fanservice.

I remember being short of breath during the flashback where you play MGS1 at the Heliport for a few seconds. It was...awesome, just plain awesome. MGS1 is still my favorite game of all time, and Chapter 4 was just an epic nod to the game that (really) started it all.

i agree.

chapter 4 was just for past fans really.

i remember playing that chapter and walking down the small slope and "the best is yet to come" kicked in.

if i recall, i shed a tear. (I dont care how non-mannly that sounds its the truth)

[missvalentine]

i didnt mind MPO but my only problem is the Null fight (Gray Fox)

Yeah now I now what your talking about Null aint all the problem it's with that bloody camera angle I aint count how meny times I have been killed by him it's really anoying.

i so agree, the camera eally did ruin MPO, if they had just kept it like the previous games. i just used my RPG to take down Null the second time he and Snake fought.

What the hell were you expecting? A 4th and final game in a series and you were expecting it to be pick-up-and-play without ANY nods to the previous games? MGS has always been like that, whether is was Gray Fox's appearance in MGS1 or Liquid's arm in MGS2, the games always relied on the previous installments for some great moments.

The only game I'd say that's actually good for picking up and playing is Snake Eater, but at the same time, I wouldn't have enjoyed that game half as much as I did if I didn't play MGS1 and MGS2 first. I remember getting chills the first time Snake said "You tend to twist your elbow to absorb the recoil...that's more of a Revolver technique."

what? no! that's not what i meant, some nods or referenceare essential almost. but the problem with MGS4 was the Entire game was just one huge nod. i mean chapters 3, 4 and 5 have so many nods or references it just gets annoying after a while.

i mean a motor bike chase through a city then Eva crashing and getting impaled in exactly the same spot and Snake saying the exact same things as he did in MGS3. come on at least think up of something new. plus Eva had her top unbuttoned like it was in MGS3, i mean in MGS3 she was trying to seduce Big Boss, but Snake is her own Son! what's wrong with her?

I wouldn't say it was boring. The Scarabs and Gekkos patrolling the facility might have seemed a little lazy but it made for better exploration. And you can't call the Crying Wolf fight boring, or the Raiden vs. Vamp/Snake vs. Gekkos fight boring, or Rex vs. RAY boring...c'mon now. That chapter was absolutely epic.

That was one of my greatest video game moments, playing through Act 4 for the first time. I, just like Snake, was revisiting Shadow Moses for the first time(not counting my hundreds of MGS1 playthroughs) and it was absolutely unbelievable. I had chills the entire time. If I remember correctly, you only started playing the series not too long ago, right? So naturally, Act 4 wouldn't appeal to you -- after all, the majority of MGS4 was pure fanservice.

I remember being short of breath during the flashback where you play MGS1 at the Heliport for a few seconds. It was...awesome, just plain awesome. MGS1 is still my favorite game of all time, and Chapter 4 was just an epic nod to the game that (really) started it all.

the only part of MGS4 i liked was act 2, other than that the rest i hate and don't even consider canon really because it's so bad.

and yeah at first when i entered the helipad i was like, WOW cool! and it was nostalgic, but then after a while it just got boring and felt like Kojima was just lazy and didn't want to think up of a propar level. and the thing with the Crying Wolf and Raging raven and the other two was stupid, just another nod to MGS1 with the four bosses of that game. he was lazy so just decided to make the entire game fan service and a huge nod to his own work.

and the Metal Gear fight made no sense since the RAY should be able to destroy a REX easily since it's an Anti-Metal Gear Metal Gear.

also that little part where you play MGS1 was probably the best part of the entire game, which is sad since it's MGS1 not MGS4. so the best part of MGS4 is where you get to play MGS1.

also the ammount and Naomi Hunter fan service is unacceptable (upskirt or downblouse shot every 2 seconds), makes Jill's RE3 attire look repectable.

and the Snake VS Gekkos/Vamp VS Raiden annoyed me for a number of reasons.

1. it contributed to ruining Raidens character even more. plus it made no sense, Raiden can hold of Outer Heven with hhis shoulder blades yet struggles to kill Vamp? are you serious Kojima? yet Vamp was easily defeated a few years previous? what is vamp super powered like Raiden to? oh wait NanoMachines! *facepalm*

2. It demystified Vamp's character. and made him another NanoMachine junkie. i liked to think of him as having some sort of supernatural powers or something. like the Cobras or Volgin in MGS3. at least they can't be ruined with stupid nanomachines.

3. it was annoying in the fact that i missed almost the entire fight because i had to kill stupid annoying Gekkos the whole time that just kept respawning.

no MGS game was safe from MGS4's shitstorm of retconning.

MGS4 ruined the MGS series even more than RE4 ruined the RE series.

[Mr. Spencer]

I just like the fact that despite being almost ten years old, obsolete in almost every way possible, REX still prevailed over the technologically superior RAY. Hell, RAY itself was designed - initially - to be a anti-REX weapon and look at that, REX in its battered state still manages to defeat RAY. Marvellous. Bloody marvellous.

[Branden_Lucero]

MGS3 is my least favorite simply because i hate the camouflage system (and the bosses weren't that epic). the OctoCamo near perfect for MGS4.

[Vector]

the only part of MGS4 i liked was act 2, other than that the rest i hate and don't even consider canon really because it's so bad.

Ugh, I hate that so much. "I don't like this so I don't think it's canon." It doesn't matter what you like or what you think, it's canon. It's so incredibly dumb to consider it not canon just because you don't like it. If you don't like it, that's fine, but instead of ignoring the fact that it exists, just accept it and move on.

and yeah at first when i entered the helipad i was like, WOW cool! and it was nostalgic, but then after a while it just got boring and felt like Kojima was just lazy and didn't want to think up of a propar level. and the thing with the Crying Wolf and Raging raven and the other two was stupid, just another nod to MGS1 with the four bosses of that game.

The only thing the Beauty and The Beast Unit had in common with previous bosses in the series was their names. As far as the boss fights, they were all so different from each other that names shouldn't matter. And just to be clear, the bosses were a combination of bosses from all of the MGS games, not just one -- Laughing Octopus(The Joy, Decoy Octopus, Solidus's arms), Raging Raven(The Fury, Vulcan Raven), Crying Wolf(The Sorrow, Sniper Wolf, Fortune's railgun), Screaming Mantis(The Fear, and obviously, Psycho Mantis).

he...decided to make the entire game fan service and a huge nod to his own work.

Well yeah, this I agree with. Kojima's a bit of an egomaniac.

also that little part where you play MGS1 was probably the best part of the entire game, which is sad since it's MGS1 not MGS4. so the best part of MGS4 is where you get to play MGS1.

But you just said you only liked Act 2.

also the ammount and Naomi Hunter fan service is unacceptable (upskirt or downblouse shot every 2 seconds), makes Jill's RE3 attire look repectable.

It happens in every game nowadays. It's lame, but it is what it is. Just look at Jill in RE5.

2. It demystified Vamp's character. and made him another NanoMachine junkie. i liked to think of him as having some sort of supernatural powers or something.

Agreed. Nanomachines really can't explain how he was able to run on water in MGS2.

3. it was annoying in the fact that i missed almost the entire fight because i had to kill stupid annoying Gekkos the whole time that just kept respawning.

Agreed again. I think you can find that fight on YouTube now, it was annoying to not be able to watch it in-game.

MGS4 ruined the MGS series even more than RE4 ruined the RE series.

Can't say I agree with you here. I think that maybe you should start looking past what you want and start accepting what actually happened...it'll make life a lot easier for you. Things in MGS4 pissed me off, but there's nothing I can do to change it. I'm not naive enough to let events in a game 'ruin' a series for me. Same thing for RE4 and RE5. Lots of lame shit happened there, too, but there's nothing I can do about it.

[Mr. Spencer]

You've just been trolled.

[Branden_Lucero]

good lord, that girl complains more than a child.

in my opinion, MGS4 is the best in the series. There's pretty much nothing i can say that is flawed in that game. Hell, its nice to see that i was able to play the hardest difficulty without too many issues - ususally MGS's "extreme" difficulty is well.....too difficult for meh.

[missvalentine]

I just like the fact that despite being almost ten years old, obsolete in almost every way possible, REX still prevailed over the technologically superior RAY. Hell, RAY itself was designed - initially - to be a anti-REX weapon and look at that, REX in its battered state still manages to defeat RAY. Marvellous. Bloody marvellous.

yeah it's epic in an underdog sorta way, but makes no sense when you think about it.

i mean Snake defeats REX with just a Stinger Missle launcher, yet an Anti-Metal Gear metal gear RAY fails and gets destroyed by REX.

MGS3 is my least favorite simply because i hate the camouflage system (and the bosses weren't that epic). the OctoCamo near perfect for MGS4.

I hated the OctoCamo. MGS3 had a much better system, and it's not like you needed to change uniform every two seconds either, Tiger Stripe works resonably well in most environments.

OctoCamo was just an automated version of the MGS3 system which took all the fun out of it.

Ugh, I hate that so much. "I don't like this so I don't think it's canon." It doesn't matter what you like or what you think, it's canon. It's so incredibly dumb to consider it not canon just because you don't like it. If you don't like it, that's fine, but instead of ignoring the fact that it exists, just accept it and move on.

im still gonna ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist, im happier that way.

The only thing the Beauty and The Beast Unit had in common with previous bosses in the series was their names. As far as the boss fights, they were all so different from each other that names shouldn't matter. And just to be clear, the bosses were a combination of bosses from all of the MGS games, not just one -- Laughing Octopus(The Joy, Decoy Octopus, Solidus's arms), Raging Raven(The Fury, Vulcan Raven), Crying Wolf(The Sorrow, Sniper Wolf, Fortune's railgun), Screaming Mantis(The Fear, and obviously, Psycho Mantis).

But you just said you only liked Act 2.

well, that just proves my point more, instead of being original he just puts every previous boos together and mixes them into four new ones with similar names even. and i really hated the Phyco Mantis bit, it made no sense and was just another huge nod to MGS1.

and ok, i liked Act 2 and the 20 second part were you play MGS1.

good lord, that girl complains more than a child.

in my opinion, MGS4 is the best in the series. There's pretty much nothing i can say that is flawed in that game. Hell, its nice to see that i was able to play the hardest difficulty without too many issues - ususally MGS's "extreme" difficulty is well.....too difficult for meh.

this is a forum, it's meant for discussion of things. there are a lot of complaints about things, and a lot of praise about other things. it's what forums are meant for. discussion.

MGS4 was too easy.