World War Z - The Movie - The Thread (Don't judge a book by its cover)

[Darkmoon]

Yeah, last time I got a stomach bug I prayed to the porcelain god every 45 minutes for an entire night. It was less than happy.

[aris13]

My apologies - my friend saw it yesterday. I assumed it was out.

It's on IMDB for god knows how long so it's not that big of a secret.

[Carnivol]

Regarding diversity and Star Trek Into Darkness; There' one thing it does in regards to diversity that is absolutely disgusting. It's trying so hard to be diverse for the sake of forcefully being diverse (beyond the main "crew/cast"). Dunno if anyone noticed, 'cause it's easy to miss if you blink, but everytime there's a sort of "reaction" scene and they do a bunch of short facial close ups of various people in any given location, there'll ALWAYS be some random new alien species getting a facial close up shot. Also, those overly long shots of Benedict's face every time he was around were ... cumbersome. But man, if I expect Star Trek to change my life or somehow provide me more than just an evening of dumb cheese, stereotypes (or their prototypes), and mindless fun ... I don't even


Now, where do I sign up for the end of the world?

[Darkmoon]

But man, if I expect Star Trek to change my life or somehow provide me more than just an evening of dumb cheese, stereotypes (or their prototypes), and mindless fun ... I don't even

That's the thing, Carn - Star Trek did change people's lives. It was one of the, if not the earliest televised portrayal, that non-white people could be something other than servants and criminals. And the Gene Roddenberry had to fight, tooth and nail, to do it. Nichelle Nichols was so badly treated by the studio producers she wanted to quite - the only reason she didn't was Martin Luther King himself begged her to not, because she was pretty much the only representation of a coloured person, let alone a coloured woman, in a real position. There's a whole laundry list of people, actors and scientists, who list the show as inspiration for what it did. I know it's cheesy sci-fi - but it had a real impact on a lot of people. And it got whitewashed. Which is a real pisser.

Now, where do I sign up for the end of the world?

Local book store. The movie looks shit.

[Carnivol]

That's the thing, Carn - Star Trek did change people's lives. It was one of the, if not the earliest televised portrayal, that non-white people could be something other than servants and criminals. And the Gene Roddenberry had to fight, tooth and nail, to do it. Nichelle Nichols was so badly treated by the studio producers she wanted to quite - the only reason she didn't was Martin Luther King himself begged her to not, because she was pretty much the only representation of a coloured person, let alone a coloured woman, in a real position. There's a whole laundry list of people, actors and scientists, who list the show as inspiration for what it did. I know it's cheesy sci-fi - but it had a real impact on a lot of people. And it got whitewashed. Which is a real pisser.

Problem is that this is all part of the past @changing/multi-diversity in the cast. Back then it was a problem and Star Trek stood out in that regards. Today ... diversity is not a problem ... not the way it used to be, anyway. Today you see the complete opposite in regards to diversity. Productions basically being hurt because they need "Token Black Guy" or "Marketing indicates chicks digs Indians, so add more teepees." Same thing you see with the whole sexuality discussion for video games. (Funnily enough, despite being very forward thinking in many ways in terms of social structure, there were still many ... contemporary elements present in The Original Series, shit people surely would've taken series issues with today if they were still present in the new movie series.)


Also, dunno if you've seen the new one yet, but people nagging about one of th emain characters not having racial trait X is pretty silly, considering how the movie's got something I've honestly never seen in a movie before ... about half-way through the movie, the bridge of the enterprise gets a new staff member (non-talking role, but somehow manages to sneak in more screen time than probably even Robocop got in the movie), this bridge member gets to sit next to the Captain for the duration of the movie and is not an alien, but some sort of space trucking lesbian that's dark skinned black, bald, chubby ... dyke-ish ... and I honestly couldn't call Into Darkness a White Washed movie with that stuff present in it without ending up feeling like I'm the biggest and most ignorant little purist cunt in the whole Milkyway Galaxy.

Anyway, there's at least plenty of people who like the new ones for what they are, just like anyone just as vulcan klingon to the previous ones for what they were too, but people seriously need to stop looking for shit to bitch about for the sake of bitching without paying attention to everything else that's going on.

Local book store. The movie looks shit.

My local book store doesn't have audio books
(Shocking twist; I'm handicapped and incapable of reading stuff on paper)
But, really, even if the movie borrows the name/concept/whatever from a book; I think people seriously need to stop always rating/seeing these things as "how faithfull an adaptation is this?" and instead start with "Is this gonna be a good movie?" (Sure! It sometimes DOES SUCK that you basically gotta pull some tricky cards out of your sleeve to get people to look at your product, but I think the Bioshock Infinite guys did a pretty good job justifying these sort of "dirty/non-fan appreciated" tricks in one of the interviews regarding the game's cover art.)

[Darkmoon]

Problem is that this is all part of the past @changing/multi-diversity in the cast. Back then it was a problem and Star Trek stood out in that regards. Today ... diversity is not a problem ... not the way it used to be, anyway. Today you see the complete opposite in regards to diversity. Productions basically being hurt because they need "Token Black Guy" or "Marketing indicates chicks digs Indians, so add more teepees." Same thing you see with the whole sexuality discussion for video games. (Funnily enough, despite being very forward thinking in many ways in terms of social structure, there were still many ... contemporary elements present in The Original Series, shit people surely would've taken series issues with today if they were still present in the new movie series.)


Also, dunno if you've seen the new one yet, but people nagging about one of th emain characters not having racial trait X is pretty silly, considering how the movie's got something I've honestly never seen in a movie before ... about half-way through the movie, the bridge of the enterprise gets a new staff member (non-talking role, but somehow manages to sneak in more screen time than probably even Robocop got in the movie), this bridge member gets to sit next to the Captain for the duration of the movie and is not an alien, but some sort of space trucking lesbian that's dark skinned black, bald, chubby ... dyke-ish ... and I honestly couldn't call Into Darkness a White Washed movie with that stuff present in it without ending up feeling like I'm the biggest and most ignorant little purist cunt in the whole Milkyway Galaxy.

Anyway, there's at least plenty of people who like the new ones for what they are, just like anyone just as vulcan klingon to the previous ones for what they were too, but people seriously need to stop looking for shit to bitch about for the sake of bitching without paying attention to everything else that's going on.

I'm sure it does have diversity - that such a major and important character got white washed is still a problem though, and I personally feel, extremely disrespectful. But if you're fine with the movie, cool. I'm not, so I'm not giving them any money.

And diversity is still a massive problem. You can google the effect that TV's having on non-white, non-male kids because so many of the best characters are white dudes. It's not as big a problem, but it really is still an issue.

My local book store doesn't have audio books
(Shocking twist; I'm handicapped and incapable of reading stuff on paper)
But, really, even if the movie borrows the name/concept/whatever from a book; I think people seriously need to stop always rating/seeing these things as "how faithfull an adaptation is this?" and instead start with "Is this gonna be a good movie?" (Sure! It sometimes DOES SUCK that you basically gotta pull some tricky cards out of your sleeve to get people to look at your product, but I think the Bioshock Infinite guys did a pretty good job justifying these sort of "dirty/non-fan appreciated" tricks in one of the interviews regarding the game's cover art.)

Yeah...even the author says the movie is nothing at all like the books. And honestly? It looks awful. Giant swarms of zombies making mounds to grab helicopters? Not really good for me, but eh. You have plenty of cash - I have o choose what I wanna spend it on. Personally, though, I'd spend it on this;

http://www.amazon.com/World-War-Oral.../dp/B000IJ7IE4 - Audio Book

[Carnivol]

Yeah...even the author says the movie is nothing at all like the books. And honestly? It looks awful. Giant swarms of zombies making mounds to grab helicopters? Not really good for me, but eh. You have plenty of cash - I have o choose what I wanna spend it on. Personally, though, I'd spend it on this;

http://www.amazon.com/World-War-Oral.../dp/B000IJ7IE4 - Audio Book

I work day and night, literally. Done so for years. Part of the problem "being me" Not trivializing your position as a family man (I envy it - truly), so hope there's no hard feelings or weirdness going through the air here now, since economy was suddenly brought up. I snap. I hate. I do. Actually having my first ever real vacation since I finished school nearly 10 years ago starting this weekend (and it's only from one of my two fulltime jobs).
Is there a new trailer for the movie? Only "piling" stuff I saw of the zombies in the first trailer reminded me of how insects, locust and pests (ants, termites, rats, etc.) pile up to achieve/reach/bridge something and I thought that looked kinda neat (and very much plausible) concept wise. Always feel that most things "zombie/infection" related in media doesn't exactly delve deep enough into natural behavior concepts like parasitic behavior, hive mind, phenomenons like "rat kings," etc... How're their behavior in the book? Traditional stuff?

[Darkmoon]

I'm just pointing out if I don't act choosy, I end up watching a ton of crap stuff, buying crap games or reading crap books. I can't afford to do that. I don't have the time or the cash. And no, no weirdness or hard feelings. I simply disagree with you fairly strongly.

Think the exact opposite zombie to what you see in the trailer, and you get the version in the book. They're the traditional zombie - relatively slow, unintelligent but ridiculously durable (only brain death kills them - decapitation leaves a snapping set of teeth around) to the point where countries that have cold winters have a problem of zombies de-frosting every summer and re-starting outbreaks. The closest the World War Z zombies and the movie infected (honestly, they don't look like they're zombies, but rage virus infected) is they both tend to move in packs. One zombie spotting another is much more likely to follow that zombie than not, and if they see another zombie trying to get in to a building they try too.

They don't run, leap or make giant human waves. They don't make giant swaying pyramids where the lowest zombies would be reduced to a meaty jam either - they will climb over each other's corpses to get you, but aren't mobile enough to pile up like that. The book (and the survival guide) goes into a lot of detail as to why they don't and can't act like the movie ones, which is why I'm somewhat annoyed - it's one thing to change stuff, it's a bit different to look, see then do the exact opposite. I honestly think they're not even using zombies, since they look so much more like rage virus infected.

And yeah, there's a second trailer out, although it's pretty similar to the first trailer - they only show the zombies rushing through crowds, dragging helicopters to there death, making pyramids of rotting people - that sorta thing.

[Carnivol]

The book (and the survival guide) goes into a lot of detail as to why they don't and can't act like the movie ones, which is why I'm somewhat annoyed - it's one thing to change stuff, it's a bit different to look, see then do the exact opposite.

Curious. Reading a book actually sounds more and more tempting (and not as an alternative to the upcoming movie - gonna see that too. Regardless...unless the Asylum Pictures logo suddenly pops up somewhere )

[Vito]

I highly recommend the book.

[Wrathborne]

Curious. Reading a book actually sounds more and more tempting (and not as an alternative to the upcoming movie - gonna see that too. Regardless...unless the Asylum Pictures logo suddenly pops up somewhere )

Say what you will about Sylum, they would have had this shit done a long time ago., and probably be about as good as the actual film :/

[Carnivol]

So, just saw the film. Whilst not exactly the most mindblowing thing ever or anything, I'd have a hard time saying it was bad, and the stuff going on in the movie "mostly" makes sense (as far as the concept of zombies making sense goes). The only things I'd say stands out is ...

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the usual sound thing that's always dumb as shit in movies and games, where for some reason "enemies/threats" gets aggrevated by sound, but conveniantly posess the magical ability to distinguish between friendly and dinner sounds... but only to a certain degree in this movie, so it gets partial bonus points for that. Also, there's a little thing they avoid, like the plague, which is strange ... since they have no fucking problem trampling one another and just "piling up" on shit.

Either way, still not read the book, just browsed a few pages of it in the book store, and ... well ... judging this film by its trailer/name/whatever, is like judging a book by its cover. Suck it, haters.

[Kei_M]

From what I remember from the movie.

The idea, the zombies, all of that was fine to me. But. Did anyone like the cast? Because I sure did not.

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Brad Pitt's life is perfect. Even in the zombie apocolypse, nothing bad happens to him. His family survives and is extracted to Safe Place, USA. He's barely injured throughout the film. The vaccine he just randomly picks happens to be the vaccine to the virus. He saves the world from zombies and I found that incredibly boring. Part of what makes me love zombie fiction is the tragedy that comes from it. There was no tragedy here, it was an excuse for Brad Pitt to be awesome. Yawn. I'm sure the book is better.

[Carnivol]

I found that stuff in the spoiler tag a bit of a nice change, for the sake of variation in the genre, I mean:
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Sure, Brad Pitt's life is "perfect", plane crash and getting pierced by the wreckage aside, but he's still the super jackass that only agrees to help humanity in exchange for his family's safety, indirectly gets a latino family killed by dragging the zombies' attention to their hiding place, has his phone on so it attracts a bunch of zombies so a guy dies directly as a result of his carelessness, fails to stress the importance of keeping your finger off the trigger to the doctor guy, chops some woman's arm off in hopes he doesn't have to waste a bullet on her, ignorantly lectures a guy who's lost his kid to what used to be his wife about family values and loss, etc.. [edit] Almost forgot that he's also, despite seeing looting/pillaging/violence quickly, to not only steal someone's RV, but to also shoot and kill another human being[/edit].

Brad Pitt's pretty much a villain/asshole who saves the day as a side-effect of his own egoistic survival plan.

Would love to see two things for the evt. BluRay release, though;
-Unrated/extended scenes
-Alternate cut(s) (since they apparently reshot a lot, down to completely different endings and altering various plotlines, to the point where it sounds like they might've had more than just a couple of different movies/cuts assembled - A strangely reoccuring theme with Brad Pitt centric movies that lasts about 2 hours or more.)

[PROTOBOY]

I didn't watch it, I don't like running zombies, except by Crimson Heads of course