Just a few thoughts

[Rakkoon]

I don't know if it really makes any sense for me to post this, but I feel it's only right to do it keeping in mind some of the things I've witnessed around this forum.

Fisrt of all, I've always seen Resident Evil as a special kind of game that could appeal even to a person who generally dislikes video games. I'm not a big fan of video games myself. I am certainly not a gamer, or a fanboy, or a fanatic, or anything like that.

Then again, Resident Evil has always been special to me. It's never been about a single character or a single game from the series. It's never been about games in general or playing games either. It's always been about RESIDENT EVIL. I've been a 'fan' of Resident Evil since 1998 and I truly appreciate what the true original Resident Evil once was. That was a different time I guess. It's not the same now and it will never be the same.

I don't like forums. People are faceless, so they can pretty much write whatever they want and get away with it. That's not my thing. I started writing here though, since I really liked the design of the forum. Also, I initially thought there were many 'true fans' of Resident Evil here.

However, too many times have I witnessed certain people openly comment on other members of the forum, call them names, attack them. Sarcasm (the bad kind) and namecalling seem to be very popular around here. Even among mods.

This is uncivilized at best. I don't know what some people here seem to think, but if they talk and act the same way outside of this forum, in 'real life', then it's very sad.

What provoked me to write this? Well, I certainly didn't think RE5 was a true RE and I was emotional about it, which led me to write a few emotional posts, and I'm pretty sure that must have seemed like random RE hatred to some people, especially those to whom RE4 is inferior to RE5 in many ways. To me RE5 seemed less like a true RE than RE4. I'm not going to start arguing over that again, since I realized how pointless that is. Especially here.

I am amazed at certain people and how much they love finding something they disagree with and throwing all their energy in that direction, instead of finding something positive and talking about that. It's not even about me and my posts, it's about everyone. Someone writes something about Resident Evil without addressing anyone in any way. Then someone comes up and starts calling that person names, comments on them and their credibility, attacks them personally. I am sick of seeing that everywhere, in every topic. All this negative energy...and not only against me, but against everyone.

What I'm trying to say is things like that have pretty much killed my initial pleasure of posting here. I won't be doing it often from now on. I'm sure some people are quite happy. I'm happy for them.

[sweetlollygirl]

I don't know if it really makes any sense for me to post this, but I feel it's only right to do it keeping in mind some of the things I've witnessed around this forum.

Fisrt of all, I've always seen Resident Evil as a special kind of game that could appeal even to a person who generally dislikes video games. I'm not a big fan of video games myself. I am certainly not a gamer, or a fanboy, or a fanatic, or anything like that.

Then again, Resident Evil has always been special to me. It's never been about a single character or a single game from the series. It's never been about games in general or playing games either. It's always been about RESIDENT EVIL. I've been a 'fan' of Resident Evil since 1998 and I truly appreciate what the true original Resident Evil once was. That was a different time I guess. It's not the same now and it will never be the same.

I don't like forums. People are faceless, so they can pretty much write whatever they want and get away with it. That's not my thing. I started writing here though, since I really liked the design of the forum. Also, I initially thought there were many 'true fans' of Resident Evil here.

However, too many times have I witnessed certain people openly comment on other members of the forum, call them names, attack them. Sarcasm (the bad kind) and namecalling seem to be very popular around here. Even among mods.

This is uncivilized at best. I don't know what some people here seem to think, but if they talk and act the same way outside of this forum, in 'real life', then it's very sad.

What provoked me to write this? Well, I certainly didn't think RE5 was a true RE and I was emotional about it, which led me to write a few emotional posts, and I'm pretty sure that must have seemed like random RE hatred to some people, especially those to whom RE4 is inferior to RE5 in many ways. To me RE5 seemed less like a true RE than RE4. I'm not going to start arguing over that again, since I realized how pointless that is. Especially here.

I am amazed at certain people and how much they love finding something they disagree with and throwing all their energy in that direction, instead of finding something positive and talking about that. It's not even about me and my posts, it's about everyone. Someone writes something about Resident Evil without addressing anyone in any way. Then someone comes up and starts calling that person names, comments on them and their credibility, attacks them personally. I am sick of seeing that everywhere, in every topic. All this negative energy...and not only against me, but against everyone.

What I'm trying to say is things like that have pretty much killed my initial pleasure of posting here. I won't be doing it often from now on. I'm sure some people are quite happy. I'm happy for them.

i agree with alot of what u said, it was long but worth a read , i think your should keep posting my good friend , but if you dont want to im ok with it just keep messaging me

[Mr. Spencer]

I have no problem with anyone having a preference for one game over another, we all have our favourite games in the series. Some of us like RE2, others may like RE4. It's our diversity that defines us. But a problem arises when it's no longer about the games or the series, but about a single character. First, people bitched about Jill being dead after seeing the gravestone. Then when she was more or less confirmed to be alive, people THEN complained about her being evil. Fair enough, but THEN when she was turned good, more complaints rolled in about her having blonde hair.

I'm not saying it's wrong to have a favourite character either, there's Chris fans and there's Leon fans. Sure, that ChrisRedfield29 (or whatever number it was now, sorry) may refer to Sheva as his "little caramel princess" and he may have nicknames for his mercenary teams, but I haven't seen him going on and on and on about his own favourite character, Chris. Whereas there's a definite fascination with Jill, one that I simply cannot explain. People act as though the series revolves around her, when - I might add - it was mainly Chris who was determined to bring down Umbrella. Jill more or less just banded along and did her bit, but for the most part all she cared about was saving her own scantily clad hide from Raccoon City.

There's a line between fandom and obsession, and a lot of people on here crossed it. That's the issue, my friend.

Favourite game? Fine. Favourite character? No problem. Obsession over a particular character and balancing the fate of the entire series on that one character? Yeah, that's when we start to board the failtrain into Mutant District City Centre.

[Alzaire]

It would be extremely rare you'll find a place that will have everyone getting along happily. People do voice their opinions around here, and some people are harsh and others not. The mods do their best to mod things without going totally nuts and silencing absolutely everyone who may be more harshly toned or over-enthusiastic about their way of typing their thoughts.

Honestly we are already often criticized for our mods banning or infractioning people for doing or saying bad things, and the mods are already having their hands full dealing with reported posts and other things. With registration just reopened, we're already having to deal with certain bad elements that keep trying to get back in.

But anyway, I don't think this post was really necessary. You reported a couple of posts because you felt one was directed too harshly at you (which could be understandable) and another post you reported because you felt like it was purposefully designed to "stir the Jill fanatics" when all it was was someone's opinion on Spoiler:

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Jill being weak in Mercenaries mode

. For the second reported post, Dot50 told you not to report that kind of thing again and to stop crying about being sensitive to post badmouthing Jill or possibly "inciting the Jill fanatics". I know more was said, and maybe Dot50 was a bit harsh and presumptuous, I don't know, but a lot of people had gotten sick about all the talk about Jill and anything revolving around her (esp. the extreme fanatics that made up so much of the Jill topic) that it probably just hit a nerve with Dot50.

It's not like everyone is gonna suddenly get along to make you, or others, happy. And we're not gonna ban everyone who disagree with each other and may get heated about it at times. If you or others think the mods aren't being fair, biased, or letting people get away with comments then I apologize. Can't please everyone.

And sweetlollygirl, you've got no real business making an agreement reply to Rakkoon's post. I agree Kris's post of "She's also not a girl." wasn't warranted, but your response of:

fuck u bitch whu the hell u talking about me? what u an asshole whos sits at his computer all day doing nothing. go fuck urself dick plus im sorry ur gay but i dont have a dick and dont ever talk about me again you BUTTSLUT! im not gonna take this ill just have my bf kick ur ass tell me where we should meet u!

is far more along the lines of the kind of mean behavior Rakkoon is talking about. Kris questioned your gender, as many people often do when dealing with the internet where guys pretend to be hot girls all the time for kicks, and responding to him by calling him gay and threatening to have your boyfriend beat him up AND reporting his post and asking us to ban the webmaster of a close affiliated site from the forum for a single comment (albeit unwarranted) that should have just been ignored (it's not like in the end you proved you're a girl to anyone, and you're the one who got infractioned in the end of the day).

[News Bot]

I've always seen Resident Evil as a special kind of game that could appeal even to a person who generally dislikes video games.

...lol

[sweetlollygirl]

It would be extremely rare you'll find a place that will have everyone getting along happily. People do voice their opinions around here, and some people are harsh and others not. The mods do their best to mod things without going totally nuts and silencing absolutely everyone who may be more harshly toned or over-enthusiastic about their way of typing their thoughts.

Honestly we are already often criticized for our mods banning or infractioning people for doing or saying bad things, and the mods are already having their hands full dealing with reported posts and other things. With registration just reopened, we're already having to deal with certain bad elements that keep trying to get back in.

But anyway, I don't think this post was really necessary. You reported a couple of posts because you felt one was directed too harshly at you (which could be understandable) and another post you reported because you felt like it was purposefully designed to "stir the Jill fanatics" when all it was was someone's opinion on Spoiler:

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Jill being weak in Mercenaries mode

. For the second reported post, Dot50 told you not to report that kind of thing again and to stop crying about being sensitive to post badmouthing Jill or possibly "inciting the Jill fanatics". I know more was said, and maybe Dot50 was a bit harsh and presumptuous, I don't know, but a lot of people had gotten sick about all the talk about Jill and anything revolving around her (esp. the extreme fanatics that made up so much of the Jill topic) that it probably just hit a nerve with Dot50.

It's not like everyone is gonna suddenly get along to make you, or others, happy. And we're not gonna ban everyone who disagree with each other and may get heated about it at times. If you or others think the mods aren't being fair, biased, or letting people get away with comments then I apologize. Can't please everyone.

And sweetlollygirl, you've got no real business making an agreement reply to Rakkoon's post. I agree Kris's post of "She's also not a girl." wasn't warranted, but your response of:


is far more along the lines of the kind of mean behavior Rakkoon is talking about. Kris questioned your gender, as many people often do when dealing with the internet where guys pretend to be hot girls all the time for kicks, and responding to him by calling him gay and threatening to have your boyfriend beat him up AND reporting his post and asking us to ban the webmaster of a close affiliated site from the forum for a single comment (albeit unwarranted) that should have just been ignored (it's not like in the end you proved you're a girl to anyone, and you're the one who got infractioned in the end of the day).

lol he deserved it but i even said not to mess with me and he never reported back to me about being sorry so hes just dead to me. yea maybe i should have ignored it but some of my friends that i know from class were telling me and some from the union. its just funny how people kept going on with it after i couldnt go on for a while becuase i busy but i just know next time anyone messes with me ill be a nice princess and report them....

[Mr. Spencer]

You hear that, Kris? Dead. That's what you are to this person. Dead.

[Jill's Boob]

I am certainly not a gamer, or a fanboy, or a fanatic, or anything like that.

Of course you aren't. Yet here are some of your posts from the other day:

-I think it's finally time for me to accept Resident Evil 3 was the last game in the series. At least for me. I've made up my mind now.


- I just really hate Jill's hair now. A blonde ponytail? This is ridiculous. Seriously, I can't stand it and I hate it they changed her hair like that. I am so disappointed, because Claire was great in Degeneration, so why did they ruin Jill? The hair is giving me a headache.


- I am so sick of people calling Jill names because of her RE3 clothes. But I've said what I had to say about that already. The change of her hair is ridiculous. Just like 80% of RE5. But Jill's hair hardly matters anymore, since Resident Evil is officially dead now. Dead.

- I never said it was unreasonable. I don't care if it makes sense. It's stupid. It's ugly. I hate it. I don't care what reasonable reason they come up with, it doesn't make any difference to me. I hate it.

- Jill's blonde hair pisses me off enormously. RE5 has enough of everything to completely destroy Resident Evil. Then there's Jill and her pathetic look. It's a joke, everything. Such a cheap way to steal people's money. Such a lame way to end RE. I'm not talking about Jill's hair now. That was just a lame way to end Jill. The hair was just the most obvious flaw. Superficial? I would say Jill's hair color was probably the deepest thing about RE5. Say whatever you like now, I really don't care anymore.

It's never been about a single character or a single game from the series.

See everything above. Not to mention your avatar and sig pic.

I don't like forums. People are faceless, so they can pretty much write whatever they want and get away with it. That's not my thing. I started writing here though, since I really liked the design of the forum. Also, I initially thought there were many 'true fans' of Resident Evil here.

So you dislike forums because you are better than people on forums? Because people on them "write whatever they want and get away with it?" But is that not what you're doing in this very thread? Also, because people disagree with you, they are not "true fans" of Resident Evil?

I think your problem is that you cannot handle people disagreeing with you. YOU want to be able to write whatever YOU want, without people offering rebuttals or opposing sentiments. Because when they do, you cry foul.

You have written your thoughts, but the minute someone offers a different stance, all the sudden YOU are being picked on or "everyone" on this site (including mods) are just a bunch of rude, uncouth abominations.

Nice try. Everyone else here gets along just fine, despite varying views and arguments/debates. No one takes it to heart. Just because your sentiments are seemingly universally panned all the sudden it is everyone else's fault. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror.

In the Jill thread alone, your posts were rejected by myself, rehunk88, cellarsdoorsolar, sina, ciarendevlin, darinl1979, [stars]tyrant, valentineknight, mr_zombie, rosetta_mist, and a-j.

Seems like you are in the wrong if so many people disagree with you. But they're the jerks, right?

However, too many times have I witnessed certain people openly comment on other members of the forum, call them names, attack them. Sarcasm (the bad kind) and namecalling seem to be very popular around here. Even among mods.

Again, everyone else participates in this site on a daily basis without crying foul.

And I think the mods here are more stringent than many other places.

This is uncivilized at best. I don't know what some people here seem to think, but if they talk and act the same way outside of this forum, in 'real life', then it's very sad.

Hey, tell us some more! You're obviously better than all of us. Please, continue.

What provoked me to write this? Well, I certainly didn't think RE5 was a true RE and I was emotional about it, which led me to write a few emotional posts, and I'm pretty sure that must have seemed like random RE hatred to some people, especially those to whom RE4 is inferior to RE5 in many ways. To me RE5 seemed less like a true RE than RE4. I'm not going to start arguing over that again, since I realized how pointless that is. Especially here.

Yeah, thanks. So, it's okay for you to bash RE5 but not okay for people to defend it? Well, internet forums are usually filled with opposing views. Hence the point of sharing thoughts, views, etc on an open forum.

Definition of a forum: (n) a place or meeting where a public discussion is held.

Oh wait, is that "bad" sarcasm?

I am amazed at certain people and how much they love finding something they disagree with and throwing all their energy in that direction, instead of finding something positive and talking about that.

Okay. How about you throwing your negative energy into making random posts in various threads to say how you feel "RE5 is a joke and they stole your money."

As for people throwing all their energy into a certain direction, I again assume you mean that the people who disagreed with you were being "negative."

It's not even about me and my posts, it's about everyone. Someone writes something about Resident Evil without addressing anyone in any way. Then someone comes up and starts calling that person names, comments on them and their credibility, attacks them personally. I am sick of seeing that everywhere, in every topic.

It's not about you? This entire thread is about YOU. YOU are very high on YOU. Because people disagreeing with you led to this unnecessary post.

"Everywhere, in every topic?"

How so? Many forum members visit this site everyday without crying foul.

All this negative energy...and not only against me, but against everyone.

Again, I have seen no one else complain about the daily goings on of this site. Except for you.

What I'm trying to say is things like that have pretty much killed my initial pleasure of posting here. I won't be doing it often from now on. I'm sure some people are quite happy. I'm happy for them.

No one is here to get you. I think you just cannot handle adversity. You hate that numerous people pan your ideas. I could see if one or two people constantly attacked your posts or repeatedly called you names, but that never happened, did it? People rejected your sentiments and you got your feelings hurt.

Feel free to again claim that I am bullying you each time I respond to your posts. Report me, whatever. I'll admit that I can be an asshole or a jerk, but I'm not going to just kick back and let you badmouth this entire site just because you can't handle people disagreeing with you.

This thread alone shows that you feel "above" other message boarders (not to mention the site).

But if you truly intend to leave, then why don't you just disappear? Do you need to make a thread about it? Or is it a part of your vanity? Because your posts, your words, and this thread indicate that you are very much into YOU.

[sweetlollygirl]

You hear that, Kris? Dead. That's what you are to this person. Dead.

is that a joke? becuase ifs it not ur trying to start negative energy

[TheSelfishGene]

I've posted here for a long time, and got into deep and heated discussions with many members. I've never yet been given an infarction, let alone a ban. It's not that argueing gets you a ban at all. And it's not like mods are out to get anyone in particular.

I try and express my arguments with evidence, using logic and reason. And I'm happy to respond to any criticism of my arguments. However, to stimulate good, worthwhile debate, you need to command that from your opposition too.

That's why I tend to stay out of the Jill thread. Some members who frequent the thread seem to think that Jill is above criticism.
You admitted to writing "a few emotional posts, ...that must have seemed like random RE hatred to some people", which you're welcome to. However you then went on to mention the facelessness of this and other internet fora. Surely you understand that your postings here is all that we have to judge you by, and by posting ill-thought out, antagonistic posts, will probably win you few friends.

People can take offence to amorphous concepts like 'true RE fans', 'true RE games', 'classic RE' etc. Even if you weren't meaning to cause offence, by talking about these topics, you're probably rubbing people the wrong way.

I think if you backed up your arguments, and had some points that dissenters could address, then the discussions would descend into slagging each other off much less often.

[Dot50Cal]

is that a joke? becuase ifs it not ur trying to start negative energy

Did we ruin your spirit bomb, Goku?

JB summed up my thoughts pretty much better than I could. I think the problem is some people take forums far too seriously, and get upset at small jokes. I don't know why.

As for mods being mean, we're regular users just like you. To ask us to hold our opinions is kinda unfair, don't you think? I have an opinion just like you do. Just because mine differs from yours doesn't mean I'm out to get you.

[sweetlollygirl]

Did we ruin your spirit bomb, Goku?

JB summed up my thoughts pretty much better than I could. I think the problem is some people take forums far too seriously, and get upset at small jokes. I don't know why.

As for mods being mean, we're regular users just like you. To ask us to hold our opinions is kinda unfair, don't you think? I have an opinion just like you do. Just because mine differs from yours doesn't mean I'm out to get you.

sorry if we take jokes tooo serious but its kinda hard to tell if someones joking or not by words on the computer. usally if im joking i just do this

[REmaster]

I've witnessed several people posting remarks that may seem rude or unfair, but I just ignore them. I mean, it doesn't matter what forum you go to there's always going to be someone who dissagrees with you, or someone you just don't get along with in general. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what other people think. This forum is for everyone to discuss their own individual opinion, you don't have to agree with anyone else. All I'm saying is, no matter how heated an arguement may become, don't take the disagreements personal. Even though some would disagree, no one on here is more special than another. We are the all singing, all dancing RE fans of the world. You are not your avatar, you are not your custom title, you are not the contents of your collection, you are not your fucking signature.

[Rakkoon]

I think if you backed up your arguments, and had some points that dissenters could address, then the discussions would descend into slagging each other off much less often.

Well, I do back up my arguments usually. And the already mentioned emotional posts did have backed up arguments, at least some of them. The others were just that, emotional posts. I didn't mind people disagreeing. That's not what I mind. Of course it's only natural for a discussion to have opposing views. But it's when someone starts commenting on another person that it gets ugly. I haven't been on a forum in a long time, so I don't know if it's like this everywhere, but I guess it is. I mean, I guess there's this kind of people everywhere. People who invest a lot of energy into slandering others, dissecting their posts and taking out whatever they need to prove a person wrong. They don't even care that much if they're right or not, as long as the other person is wrong. It's sad the focus is on proving someone wrong. That's not even 'bullying', that's just...sad. And that's what I mind, but maybe I'm being naive.

Another way to show disrespect is to respond to a serious post with laughter. Quite cheap. It's also disrespectful to call someone a fanatic just because you've come to that conclusion. This is not indirectly addressed to anyone by the way, I am speaking generally. And that's exactly what certain people need to do here, instead of always pointing to the straw in other people's eyes when they fail to see the beam in their own.

I am to decide whether this is a necessary post or not, since I am the poster. No one had to respond to this if they didn't want to. As much as it is wrong for someone to just state something emotionally as if it is an undisputed fact, I firmly believe it's not right for anyone to grab on to one or a few such posts and start openly criticizing the poster rather than the posts. Maybe I'm being naive again, but I would be happy to see such hostility gone.

[Skunky]

Yeah...
Reality and the internet are two different things. It's best not to mistake one for the other.
People will say and do all kinds of things that they wouldn't have the balls to say and do in real life. People don't really know each other and everyone is protected by a shield of anonymity and there's nothing you can do about this. I think it's best not to take things too seriously or personal.

But I agree that too much hostility becomes unpleasant and I'm sure it would discourage many people from participating.