Terminator:Salvation

[Carnivol]

Not really. You're comparing it to kills offscreen on the tv show, so it's already a pretty weak argument. Just because you don't see a lot of kills in Salvation doesn't necessarily mean there weren't.

And even in the most happy of feel good stories, thousands of people die around the globe every minute of leukemia, starvation, street shootings, various flus, accidents, family tragedies, etc...

Nah, the point is; You don't really "set the mood" if there's no risk involved or any signs of vulnerability. It's a cheap thing to put all deaths off-screen for the sake of ratings. If you make a movie about war and violence, you gotta show what these things actually mean and what happens when these things are going on. (Paul Verhoeven and David Cronenberg are both good followers of this formula)


It's pretty hilarious to see a Hollywood big budget movie that is a sequel to a franchise that has featured some pretty brutal scenes and stuff that's been both the "cool" and the "gave me nightmares" scenes for kids who saw the movies pre-maturely and stuff (like in T2 when the T-1000 stabs through the milk, that was just pure awesome and slightly terrifying, but when Arnold shows Dyson that he's a machine... that was slightly freaky for some... Hilarious how the dog is an off-screen death, though.)


While at the same time, there's a TV series based on the same franchise, which left 'n' right kills people on-screen (not even main characters were exceptions to this). All on TV! We're talking the same type of TV where showing a pistol on-screen is enough to make someone start rotating in their chairs and complain to the network about it.


Not only did this show contain on-screen executions of characters, but it also put kids and teenagers into the mix of this (and not even they were safe), and it also contained weird ass scenes (Such as a certain scene near the end of season 2 with Cameron and a 16-ish year old John Connor sharing a moment on a bed. Enough to fuel the erotic fantasies of Summer Glau fans and people who just have weird and odd fetishes in general)

TSCC killed some people off-screen, but mostly everything was done on-screen. You were treated to headshots, shootings, stabbings, executions, burnings, torture, mass-slaughter, skinning, torn-off limbs, exploding heads and similar stuff (Like I mentioned, one of the episodes features a guy's head getting half blown off, then they spend nice moments of time focusing on his nice half head smearing against the ground... sure... he wasn't entirely man, but still... the scene was there.)

I really wonder how on earth they even pulled off all of that on American television.


Off-screen deaths are a terrible narrative device when the subject of death is just entirely dodged as if it never happened.



Anyway, yet to see Salvation. Gonna see it whenever it hits here, but after reading a few reviews, I'm not really as excited for it as I initially was when it was first revealed.

[nemesis_lover]

Went to see the movie around two weeks ago now but I thought it was very good and right up there with T1 and T2. I really liked T3, but wasn't something i'd go back to again and again like T1,T2 and now T4.
I thought the machines in the film were awesome and hated the fact that they had a huge transformers type of robot in the trailers until I saw the scene with it and now I just love the idea of a huge mother robot taking humans alive to be sent to camps.
Bale did a great job and should be proud he's bought back two great film franchise's with his roles as Batman and John Connor. I know he hasn't done it alone but his acting has kept me interested in the roles.
Trying to think on bad parts and to be honest I don't think there were any, I know some members do but I can't agree on any.
But at the end of the day nothing can beat T1, that is the best Terminator film in my view, it had everything and was a simple/fun storyline that made you think "what if machines took over for real".
One last thing, as this is a Terminator thread, I thought i'd post this image, I got a picture of Linda Hamilton signing my Terminator poster at a anime convention 3 weeks ago.

[Sephiroth]

I saw the movie on it came out in the UK I personaly like the film I thought it was alot better than the 3rd one but not a master pice like 1 or 2 but still a good film the beasy part was when a curten person made a 10 ssecond cameo the crawd was going crazy claping and chearing so was I I now 100% when the film comes out I will buy it.

[missvalentine]

I just saw it then, it was ok, no where near as good as T2 or T1 but better than T3 though.

I didn't like how it changed so dramatically from the first two styles, id always wanted to see what the future resistance was like, but it wasn't as cool as i expected. More on screen kills would have been cool too.

And Arnie should have said something when the T-800 was shown, i was disappointed he just stayed silent. And the terminators were so damned inaccurate it makes stormtroopers look like sharpshooters.

Overall it was ok, but there were a few things in it which disappointed me, McG is an ok director, but sometimes i think he moves his camera around a little to much, and is a little to fast paced. I wished he would have slowed down and focused more on the characters and story a bit more for a moment, there was so much action, after a while you get desensitized to it. One of my favorite bits was when John Connor and the other guy where sitting atop a mountain in the dark quietly setting a trap. I liked Cameron better but McG is still ok.

The A10 Thunderbolts were epic though.