Hitler: Mad, genius, or both?

[Mr. Spencer]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it's because of Hitler that other men were given the free reign to commit a whole number of atrocities. I also believe that Hitler was a conduit for human malevolence, the man that opened up the darkest parts of every individual. Goebbels was one such person, he was the man who practically tried to convince everyone that what they were doing was right even if it wasn't.

It's all attributed to Hitler's obsession with his goal, or the fact that he was completely insane that these acts were allowed to go on unchallenged.

[Bertha]

And about Hitler. To each their own. I have my opinion, and you are allowed to have yours.

You say to each their own, but how many people here, especially from the last time you brought up Hitler, do you think honestly care that you like him? If it doesn't matter, you should have never brought it up again. I have my own opinions about people, religion, politics, etc, but I'm not going to make a topic I damn well know is going to get people upset. It's common sense.

Most people in the world will say that Hitler was an evil man. Saying there's no good or evil is another point of view that varies from person to person. Trying to say Hitler didn't authorize, support, have anything to do with the genocides and all the other horrible things that happened is absolutely naive and a very foolish thing to say.

He took advantage of a people in desperate situations, and used a time old racism against Jews to further fuel his ideals. Yes, he was a very talented and charismatic speaker, but when you're standing before a crowd of starving people and say you will provide them with food and comfort, and that you'll get revenge on those that ran them down, its very easy to get them to believe you. They had nothing else.



As for everyone else...trying to argue with someone like this is honestly pointless. Nothing we can say or do is going to change her mind. You can point out every single fact supporting the argument that Hitler was evil, but it wont do any good.

[TyrackT71]

ok he was intellegent, just was alittle...violent in his actions(ALOT)he also killed off more than a million people, but we can forgive and forget(NOT)

[TheSelfishGene]

It's one thing to admire his public speaking skills, his use of the media, and novel technologies (such as microphones and PAs) to persuade large numbers of people to sympathise with his agenda.

It's another thing to admire his genocidal policies, eugenic visions, and the means by which he sought to achieve his goals, as well as the atrocities he left go unquestioned.

I think anyone who expresses an admiration of Hitler had best make it clear why they think he was such a remarkable person, at the risk of being misunderstood.

[Corrin]

We've already said we authorise this topic to be made. Knock this off and get back on topic now, the both of you, before we have to start handing out infractions.

Blow it out your ass

[Bianca]

Yes, well, Santa Clause and such are also in the dictionary.

Are you saying Santa Claus isn't real? Oh, pooey.

And about Hitler. To each their own. I have my opinion, and you are allowed to have yours.

I agree with many posters here about how debating with you is purely useless, but what bothers me the most is your refusal to make a post with really valid points on your opinion. You keep dodging the bullet with one-sentence posts that provide no factual points to express why you think Hitler was a blatant genius and why you admire and idolize him. You say he's a "genius," yet the limited qualities you claim are ingenious about him are traits hundreds of other people possess as well. So, please, explain your opinion further, because I'm just unable to comprehend your admiration for the man. Otherwise, I'm convinced you know nothing about the deeper aspects of Hitler, both as a dictator and details involving his personal life.

[Darkmoon]

I believe that Hitler was very smart, though he did start to go mad towards the end. This was due to a case of syphilis from his former prostitute mistress that went unchecked.

And if you're looking at the whole mass genocide thing, yes, Hitler supported it, yes, he wanted it to happen. But it was Himmler who actually went through with it.

Sorry for the double post, I forgot to add my input.

It would never have happened without Hitler. If Hitler had decided that the persecuted people could be reformed then it would have happened. It's exactly the same as the Blitzkireg assaults...Hitler's vision, carried out and implemented by other men.

And yeah, he was mad a long time before he died. He was mad before he took power. He was preaching this crap in the early thirties at least. That's around fifteen years of fun, if not more. And let's not forget that he believed the Aryan race came from Atlantis.

I am not denying my history It was Heinrich Himmler who developed the SS, and it was Heinrich Himmler who actually started the concentration campes.

Hitler was not evil. Evil does not exist. It's a word made by man to describe something that he doesn't like.

You're trying to blame the hammer or the gun for the man wielding it. 'The hammer these terrible things, the man in control is innocent!' Off course Himmler was a sack of human crap wearing a skin suit. A lot of these people were. Those that weren't mad when they started out with Hitler seemed to accept madness as the norm.

As for Good and Evil...it's not just a word, but a human invention. We created these concepts, and yet many of them are universal. The attack, rape or murder of the defenceless is almost universally seen as evil. Theft is universally seen as bad. Genocide is usually seen as taking things just a touch too far.

You're essentially saying that Good and Evil shouldn't apply because they're a human creation. You're sitting there, wearing clothes created by people, using a machine created by people, and yet something else that almost everyone accepts you don't because it gets in your way. I love it. I've never met anyone on the internet who actually argues it's pefectly fine for THEMSELVES to be ass raped for hours and then killed via a crap coated cock choking them because the guy felt like it. Hey, human morality is just a silly invention.

Does this mean you would prefer it if we ignored insults and such to you, and didn't stop people insulting you? I mean, hey, it's based on that silly, made up morality again. Surely you think it's fine to be insulted?

You wanna live like an animal? Then strip of and start enjoying raw meat. The rest of us wanna live as human, and that means stuff, silly things, like cooked hamburgers and accepting that the mutilation and murder of people because you've decided that pinning all the blame on them and they're not one of your Aryan super humans is, well, a bad thing. People are people and need to be treated the same.

But please, get your family to send us some newspaper articles of when you free yourself from human morality and run screaming into the night, naked and hungry for the flesh of the first thing you can kill. I assure you, we will piss ourselves laughing.

Man, I haven't laughed so hard in months.

EDIT: Yes, as someone pointed out, I know Wesker's Flag ignores my posts in these threads. They're more for my own amusement and the amusement of the people who read my posts. Since actually arguing that there was any benefit to what Hitler did is impossible, nor is there anyway to give it a positive spin (look at how the Jews control the world now! Boxed in a country, universally assaulted whenever they respond to the hideous aggression of there neighbours and the terror tactics they employ, like loading up a six year old with explosives and sticking them on a school bus: CLEARLY THEY RULE THE WORLD!) there won't be any actual backing up of view points. There certainly wasn't any of the other times this happened.

So I know it's fairly pointless, me posting and all. But it's still entertaining.

[missvalentine]

Hitler was not evil. Evil does not exist. It's a word made by man to describe something that he doesn't like.

Ok, i could stand your Hitler fanaticism but this is just a step to far.

How in God's name can you say Evil doesn't exist and that it's just a persons point of view on something they don't like?

Does that mean that people who sacrificed there own children as live burnt offerings to there "Gods", just so that they could get a good crop on that particular year are not evil? Is human sacrifice not in fact evil? What if someone decided that they would sacrifice you and burnt you alive just so that they could get rich. would you think they were evil, or would you hold to your beliefs that the person burning you alive is not an evil person, and would you then start idolizing him?

People who do not think that is evil are evil themselves.

Do you think that people who go out and prey on young children and rape and have sex with little children are not in fact evil, do you think the police are the evil ones because they stop these acts from happening? Your 14, if you were raped tomorrow would you not ring the police and tell them to catch this evil man who has wronged you? or would you say, "Oh, it's ok, he can do whatever he wants, he's such a rebel, i love him!".

If there were a man just like Hitler to rise today, except a polar opposite of his German counterpart, would you worship him too? If Hitler was alive today, except he was black and was a black supremacist and hated all whites and murdered millions of them and tortured them. would you think he was evil then? And then if he had his men come round to your home and took you and your family and closest friends. They put your parents in a concentration camp and left them to slowly and painful die of starvation right in front of your eyes. Then torture and murder your siblings and friends. And then they get you, and they don't tell you what they are going to do to you, but they take you into a large building near the camp that everyone who enters it is never seen again. They force you into a small dark operating room, then some sick insane doctor who's working for Hitler walks over towards you with a twisted look on his face and holds up a scalpel and smiles, and then several other men tie you down to an operating table while the sick doctor decides that today he wants to experiment on the human nervous system, and then proceeds to cut all the skin from your arms while your wide awake, and then digs around carelessly looking for your nerves while you scream in agony, he has a twisted smile on his face because he's enjoying watching you suffer. Then he finds your nerves and happily rips it from your arms with his fingers with a horrible smile on his sick face them proceeds to slowly cut through it sending you into the most intense agony you will ever experience. Then if that's not enough another man comes out of the shadows and removes your clothing while this is going on and proceeds to sexually assault you under the guise of conducting experiments on your private areas for medical purposes. All the while dozens of scientists stand behind a two way mirror watching you go through all this writing down things on notepads and clipboards. Then after days of this terrible agony and after they amputate all your fingers and your legs they throw you in a cell and leave you to slowly bleed to death. tell me, would you consider these people evil?

I just don't understand how you can not accept the fact that evil exists. And that Hitler was an evil evil man.

[Gradon]

I hope she reads that MissV, because that should drill the fucker into her head that evil does exist.

[missvalentine]

People who do not think that is evil are evil themselves.

I feel the need to add to this a bit.

If you think Evil does not exist Wesker's Flag, and that evil is only a point of view, does that mean that rapists and murderers should consider me evil because i call the police to put them in jail when they do what i think is wrong? Do you think that rapists and murderers are not evil people? Do you support rapists and murderers? Because if you support Hitler then you support murderers too, because Hitler was a murderer.

I hope she reads that MissV, because that should drill the fucker into her head that evil does exist.

I hope she does too. I'm not trying to be mean to her i just want her to understand that Hitler is not a person to look up to and that evil does exist.

[Weskers Flag]

Darkmoon: I am not ignoring you, I simply have nothing to add.
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missvalentine: About the sacrificing children, etc, being evil. It is not. Does it make it right? No, not at all. Not in humanity's point of view, at least. We are humans, and as humans, it's wrong.

[Darkmoon]

So you admit that as humans what people, such as Hitler, did is wrong, and being human yourself you must consider it wrong. Yet that, as far as you are concerned, is not evil. However, right and wrong are, the same as good and evil, human creations that had no relevance to the world before us. Tell me the difference between wrong and being evil in this situation? Surely causing suffering for no reason than your own benefit or enjoyment is both evil and wrong, right?

Why can one creation of humans, 'evil', not exist for you and yet another one, and one that's closely linked, 'wrong' be something you do agree with?

[Weskers Flag]

Evil: having or exerting a malignant influence; "malevolent stars"; "a malefic force"

Wrong: contrary to conscience or morality or law; "it is wrong for the rich to take advantage of the poor"; "cheating is wrong"; "it is wrong to lie"

I ♥ Google. Yes, they are very close.

[Darkmoon]

...you cannot deny that Hitler's influence, as the little blerb puts it, was malign. The man saw the rape, robbery, forced slave labour and eventual execution of six million people for no other reason than being 'different' to the race he had chosen. Without Hitler the Holocaust, Himmler's actions, everyone's favourite doctor and co would never have gotten off the groun, let alone had a country behind them and there actions.

By your own deffinition, therefore, Hitler qualifies as evil.

[Vector]

Okay, sooner or later we gotta stop feeding this troll. There's obviously no getting through to this girl.