Religion Discussion Topic

[Member_of_STARS]

Hay, I like you, but don't insult me for my beliefs please.

Take this as a poker table. We can be friends again after we leave the game.

Thing is, youre insulting millions of people by thinking that their religion is somehow connected to yours in a negative way, youre explanation of why their beliefs are wrong, based on the vices and negativities of yours is (sorry) arrogant.

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If anyone is doubting evolutionary process, take a look at the change in mans average height during the past 1000 years.

[Darkmoon]

...the last time I was in York I split my skull open in a tiny house meant for midget people. It hurt. It was like someone poured a bucket of red dye over my face too, so I speat half the day hobbling around with a red and white t-shirt.

The dangers of a 6ft 3 guy in a 5ft 8 house...

[Bertha]

I could say the same thing to you about your knowledge of Christianity. You sprout a lot of BS you know.

Oh really? And when have I strarted "sprouting" BS? I haven't been going around saying "ZOMG PAGANS ARE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS" like you have. Christianity is a "new" religion in terms of many other religions in the world.

Many crimes have been committed by the Church itself, in "God's" name than anything else, many of which the Church has tried to cover up and/or deny. And no...I'm not just talking about the Catholic church either. And even if I was.... a Catholic is still a Christian. I don't claim to "know all there is to know" about any religion. However, I do take the time to read about them before I try to judge them like you do. No religion is perfect. It is supposed to be something that unifies a people and to strengthen them culturally. In the times of early man, religion was the way to explain nature because they had not the scientific knowledge we do today. It grew from being that to something used to control others.

And for the record: I'm agnostic. Not that it is any of your business what I decide to believe in or don't believe in. And yes...I took a religion studies course in college, and the private school I am going to now to finish my Bachelors and get my Masters is a Christian based school where even more religious studies are required. I think considering I did very well in that class, I know a bit about a few things.

Firstly, my faith doesn't tell me to judge anyone. The Bible never says that anywhere. Jesus was the friend of sinners. Christians who hate on other people cause of there differences are wrong themselves, because we are only human too, Christians are no more holy than anyone else. I am not perfect, i make mistakes too. I really wish you would learn more about Christianity Rosetta before thinking you know it all. I never claimed to know everything about paganism, I don't study it 24/7. But from what i see from my point of view I think it is wrong. I have nothing against paganism or people who follow it, but I'm not going to follow it myself.

Actually yes....faith does tell you to judge others. Not just Christianity, but many religions. Why else would it matter to one person what another man or woman does in the privacy of their own homes if it is not harming anyone? According to the Bible, its ok to kill homosexuals. Doesn't say anything about killing pedophiles though.

The old testament was written about the same time as all the other beliefs. The Bible is a compilation of many books from many ages.

Parts of the Old Testament were taken from the same mythologies as religions long before it. Noah's flood: many previous "world ending floods" have been mentioned in other earlier religions. Plagues, faminie, etc: again, something many other religions spoke about.

Even the stories of Jesus weren't written until a few hundred years after his death. Even parts of Jesus's tale comes from a Persian deity Mithra. Born the 25th of December (which by the way was a date set many years later by a Pope for Jesus, and the date was tested many times before that), born of a Virgin/clean birth, 12 Apostles/12 Zodiacs, died and came back to life, etc.

That is irrelevant. It doesn't matter which came first. What if the first was wrong? Did you think about that? I know you don't like to admit it but a lot of the ancient religions did things like human sacrifice and horrible shit like that.

And yes i know, Christians did that too, they were wrong. But that was mostly catholic, I ain't a catholic.

So you think its ok to blame one sect of Christianity and clear yourself? That doesn't seem like a very good Christian thing to do. A Christian should accept what has been done in the name of Christ and be forgiving as he would be. I highly doubt Jesus would approve of the way people of the same faith bicker and argue over practices, when they should be focusing on loving each other and God.

But of course...Jesus was also a Jew...so he may not even approve of Christianity, but if he was indeed the loving man he was said to be, he would not mind.

And you can't "prove" a religion to be wrong. Most of it deals with myths and stories passed down from many generations, most of which were embellished with the facts being lost along the way. It is called "faith" for a reason.

I strongly disagree, I believe the earth is only around six thousand years old.

Yes the bible was written by humans, but by humans who had been given a message from God.

So you're saying anyone at the time that was lucky enough to get an education and learn to write was given a message by god? Wrong. Very wrong. The Bible was written by men. Very true. Which means there can be many mistakes and write things to suit their own needs. Most of the original Bible was written by people that never traveled too far from their homes, probably thought the earth was flat, thought the earth was the center of the universe, thought a woman was beneath a man because the female mind simply could not understand things, etc. Also....science has PROVEN that the world is much older than six thousand years.


No one means to get "offensive" with you, but when you make comments that have no factual grounds and are strictly based on your emotions and opinions, it does upset others. It is difficult, probably impossible, for people to have a discussion on religion and things not get personal.

[TheMedic]

This topic is getting out of hand in my opinion. Lets cool down guys, all this thread is doing is causing unneeded drama. Here's my opinion on it all: God is truth, there's different gateways to God in different religions(none of which are bad), but all in all if you're a good person and do the right thing you will end up in a good place in the end.(Whatever that place might be.)

[Darkmoon]

Yeah, boys and girls. Remember, we're supposed to be responsible adults capable of holding a debate without insulting anyone. Let's try and proove that to actually be so.

[Vector]

Oh man, that's lame. It's only "getting out of hand" because Rosey came in here and ripped missv's face off with her intelligence. This shit has been going on for a few pages now. You can't discuss religion anywhere in the world, let alone on the internet where people hide behind computer monitors, and not expect it to get touchy.

[Darkmoon]

Of course it is. But I can also expect people to leave the personal remarks at home. Trust me, as the guy who usually ends up standing all alone while everyone has a go at me and my beliefs, if I can avoid personal shit then so can you boys and girls.

I issued a general warning because several folks have been getting heated. We're doing a lot better with this debate than I'm used to, I must admit. Normally a religious debate degenerates faster into personal name calling and mud flinging. I'd actually like to see that trend continue and mature, intelligent debate being the norm on here...not the exception.

But if you feel I have acted inappropriately in some way, please feel free to issue a complaint to a admin and they'll look into.

Until then, no personal shit.

[missvalentine]

Oh really? And when have I strarted "sprouting" BS? I haven't been going around saying "ZOMG PAGANS ARE DEVIL WORSHIPPERS" like you have. Christianity is a "new" religion in terms of many other religions in the world.

Well, many times I have seen you have claimed things that are untrue actually.

Many crimes have been committed by the Church itself, in "God's" name than anything else, many of which the Church has tried to cover up and/or deny. And no...I'm not just talking about the Catholic church either. And even if I was.... a Catholic is still a Christian. I don't claim to "know all there is to know" about any religion. However, I do take the time to read about them before I try to judge them like you do. No religion is perfect. It is supposed to be something that unifies a people and to strengthen them culturally. In the times of early man, religion was the way to explain nature because they had not the scientific knowledge we do today. It grew from being that to something used to control others.

Well, there are evil people in the church too you know. If they get into power there gonna do evil things and claim that it's all in Gods name.

Parts of the Old Testament were taken from the same mythologies as religions long before it. Noah's flood: many previous "world ending floods" have been mentioned in other earlier religions. Plagues, faminie, etc: again, something many other religions spoke about.

Or, many people just wrote about the flood. I mean if there was a world wide flood today, would you not say something about it? Oh yeah someone wrote about it the rest of us don't need to. It was the biggest event of there time of coarse it's gonna be mentioned in plenty of books. Just proves the Bible right and that the flood happened. Same thing with the famines in Egypt and everything else.

So you think its ok to blame one sect of Christianity and clear yourself? That doesn't seem like a very good Christian thing to do. A Christian should accept what has been done in the name of Christ and be forgiving as he would be. I highly doubt Jesus would approve of the way people of the same faith bicker and argue over practices, when they should be focusing on loving each other and God.

Well, personally Ive never killed anyone. I wasn't alive back then Rosetta. And most people know it was mainly the Catholics that did that anyway because it was very corrupt back then.

But of course...Jesus was also a Jew...so he may not even approve of Christianity, but if he was indeed the loving man he was said to be, he would not mind.

This, is just really really ignorant. This is what i meant by BS sprouting before. Why do you think Jesus died on the cross?

Also....science has PROVEN that the world is much older than six thousand years.

Where is the scientific factual proof that the world is older than six thousand years old then?

[nemesiswontdie]

Where is the scientific factual proof that the world is older than six thousand years old then?

Dinosaurs are more than 6 million years old.

[Bertha]

Well, many times I have seen you have claimed things that are untrue actually.

Again you make a personal attack on me, and yet you have not made any grounds saying what I have said that is a falsehood. How tactful of you in making an argument. Funny how when I say something with facts to defend myself, its making an attack on you and being a bully. And yet when you slander what I say, it is swept under the rug.

Or, many people just wrote about the flood. I mean if there was a world wide flood today, would you not say something about it? Oh yeah someone wrote about it the rest of us don't need to. It was the biggest event of there time of coarse it's gonna be mentioned in plenty of books. Just proves the Bible right and that the flood happened. Same thing with the famines in Egypt and everything else.

Perhaps you failed to understand what I said. There wasn't just one great flood. There were a vast number of them. Noah's flood was most likely taken from the time when the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded far past their normal states. There's another story long before Noah's tale that describes a Mesopotamian king that also built an arc to support his family, though there was no mention of him saving any animals. So no...it doesn't prove the Bible right by any stretch of means.

This, is just really really ignorant. This is what i meant by BS sprouting before. Why do you think Jesus died on the cross?

So it is BS to say the truth? Jesus was a Jew. That is a fact. Why do you think those against him slandered his name by calling him "King of the Jews"? If I was to say anything you said was ignorant, I'd get infracted for it. Again, YOU are the one making personal attacks because you do not like what other people have to say when they bring facts to the table.



Jesus was not seen as a savior by everyone at the time of his life. Many feared a Jewish uprising, which was one of the reasons Jesus was feared. Pontius Pilate didn't exactly want to exectute him, but he feared what would happen if he didn't.

Where is the scientific factual proof that the world is older than six thousand years old then?

Hm lets see....carbon dating has been able to date stones much older than six thousand years...we have found human remains and pottery existing at least 7000 BCE...which goes ahead and shoots the whole "Earth is only 6000 years old" out of the water. Also there are scientific ways to study the earth and how long it takes planets to become what they are. Also...dinosaurs and prehistoric creatures whose remains have been discovered.


If you don't like the fact that these are my opinions, and the opinions of many others including scholars and scientists around the globe, then please...feel free to stop responding to them with drabble and insults. I've tried being civil, but when you say I'm "sprouting" bullshit and make other rude comments, it really is hard to stay mature.

[missvalentine]

Dinosaurs are more than 6 million years old.

No there not, There mentioned on the Bible as Behemoths, also Dragon is another name for a dinosaur. Dinosaur is just a modern name.

Again you make a personal attack on me, and yet you have not made any grounds saying what I have said that is a falsehood. How tactful of you in making an argument. Funny how when I say something with facts to defend myself, its making an attack on you and being a bully. And yet when you slander what I say, it is swept under the rug.

How on earth was that a personnel attack? I was merely pointing out you make mistakes in your posts too.

Perhaps you failed to understand what I said. There wasn't just one great flood. There were a vast number of them. Noah's flood was most likely taken from the time when the Tigris and Euphrates rivers flooded far past their normal states. There's another story long before Noah's tale that describes a Mesopotamian king that also built an arc to support his family, though there was no mention of him saving any animals. So no...it doesn't prove the Bible right by any stretch of means.

There was only ever one single worldwide flood Rosetta. And after that flood God said he would never flood the world again.

Why would there be more than one flood?

So it is BS to say the truth? Jesus was a Jew. That is a fact. Why do you think those against him slandered his name by calling him "King of the Jews"? If I was to say anything you said was ignorant, I'd get infracted for it. Again, YOU are the one making personal attacks because you do not like what other people have to say when they bring facts to the table.

You misread it. I meant the part about Jesus not approving of Christianity was BS.

I know he was a Jew.

Jesus was not seen as a savior by everyone at the time of his life. Many feared a Jewish uprising, which was one of the reasons Jesus was feared. Pontius Pilate didn't exactly want to exectute him, but he feared what would happen if he didn't.

Yes, I know, that's why the Jews killed him. Your telling me simple things Ive known since childhood as if it were complicated stuff you have to do years of research to find out.

Hm lets see....carbon dating has been able to date stones much older than six thousand years...we have found human remains and pottery existing at least 7000 BCE...which goes ahead and shoots the whole "Earth is only 6000 years old" out of the water. Also there are scientific ways to study the earth and how long it takes planets to become what they are. Also...dinosaurs and prehistoric creatures whose remains have been discovered.

Carbon dating is very unreliable though. I don't think it works.

I mean over in Japan they found a body and dated it at a few million years old and were about to go and study it's remains when an old man who lived by admitted to the police he had killed his wife ten years earlier and had buried her where the old body was found. They did a DNA test or something and sure enough it was his wife that had only died ten years earlier.

[nemesiswontdie]

[QUOTE=missvalentine;114409]No there not, There mentioned on the Bible as Behemoths, also Dragon is another name for a dinosaur. Dinosaur is just a modern name.

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uuuhhhhh

are you serious? Dinosaurs are more than 6 thousand years old and they are not dragons by any means. The oldest rock on earth is proven to be as old as 3.8-4.1 billion years old.

[missvalentine]

uuuhhhhh

are you serious? Dinosaurs are more than 6 thousand years old and they are not dragons by any means. The oldest rock on earth is proven to be as old as 3.8-4.1 billion years old.

Yeah look you believe what you wanna believe and Ill believe what I want to believe.

Carbon dating is very unreliable by the way. There is no actual proof there millions of years old.

[nemesiswontdie]

yha im not gonna get into a argument.

[Darkmoon]

Due to radiation issues carbon dating has problems after a certain point, making it unreliable...however, ice core samples, geological layers and the dating of writtings from ancient civilizations do show that the world is over 7000 years old quite easily.

There are also other radiation readings about the galaxy in general, fossil records of various periods showing that land masses have changed (and unless you can feel the ground moving beneath you now moving too slowly for this theory) and a metric ton of other bits and pieces

And as I said, the point is not a religious text, but a best guess by men. Men can be wrong and when new evidence presents itself it makes sense. There is no evidence to back up the 6000 year theory.