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  • #16
    My two cents.

    Anderson Silva's last few fights have made him unpopular, then again it might also be due to the lack of competition he has had of late that he's not knocking out people right and left, however, comments in his last fight against Thales Leites *said in Portuguese deliberately mistranslated by how manager* in his post fight interview were insulting to the fans and the sport, but went pretty much missed by English speaking media.
    On paper I would begrudgingly give him best P4P fighter, however I find watching him fight about as interesting as watching grass grow although his counter fighting style is undoubtably effective.

    Lesnar has yet to be truly tested simply because he's larger then the rest of the competition, the Heavyweight devision in the UFC isn't particularly stacked, probably why Dana White has tried to spin the story of attempts to sign Fedor Emelianenko, probably the only fighter in the business who could outgun Lesnar, but too Pricey for the borderline tight fisted UFC considering it makes money hand over fist with each PPV.
    I think the most they have thrown at a fighter for a win of late was Lesnars guaranteed $400,000 fight purse for his win over Frank Mir, whereas Fedor's next fight in Affliction will net him around $2 million if memory serves, and I think the UFC would rather spin a "He's too cowardly to take a price cut, sign an exclusivity contract where we completely own your life, facial likeness and marketing rights to do with as we please and prevent you from representing your country in Sambo as we deem it a unsanctioned fight where we can't profit from it so he can fight our overhyped champion".

    Somehow I can see why Fedor wouldn't take the fight.

    Although I could see Shane Carwin doing the job against Lesnar providing he wins his next fight against Cain Velasquez.

    I'll also add that I dislike Lesnar due to his WWE background, ignoring that he was a NCAA champion, so its clear despite his size he's definitely talented, I dislike how he's adapted the Vince McMahon/WWE school of playing a Heel to MMA, he comes off as childish and unprofessional in a time where MMA is trying to step away from stereotypes of simply being cage fights and barroom brawls, it reflects badly on the sport as a whole, however im sure Dana White and the UFC are laughing their way to the bank.
    Lesnar guarantees PPV sales, and brings in the pro wrestling crowd, whether the more hardcore MMA crowd which to this point has been more of a devoted niche fanbase would want the pro-wrestling fan element surrounding the sport is another thing I wonder.

    *Not to ramble about Pro-Wrestling, im sure its a hard job considering the wear and tear each wrestler goes through day in day out ignoring the fact that each match has a predetermined outcome.*

    Lesnar is controversial, in the UFC for being gifted the championship in 3 fights, and in general because of his attitude, either way, it guarantees arses on seats and money in the bank from PPV's, either way the UFC wins despite sacrificing a little professionalism in the process.
    Last edited by The Dude; 07-19-2009, 02:44 PM.

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    • #17
      One thing I do hate is how everytime people talk about Matt Hughes they talk about his win over Royce Gracie, wtf? Gracie didn't fight for 11 years before he fought Hughes that's bad enough as it is, and if Hughes were to fight Gracie in the old UFC when it was more like Kumite he would not have won

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      • #18
        Originally posted by The Dude View Post
        My two cents.

        Lesnar has yet to be truly tested simply because he's larger then the rest of the competition, the Heavyweight devision in the UFC isn't particularly stacked, probably why Dana White has tried to spin the story of attempts to sign Fedor Emelianenko, probably the only fighter in the business who could outgun Lesnar, but too Pricey for the borderline tight fisted UFC considering it makes money hand over fist with each PPV.
        I think the most they have thrown at a fighter for a win of late was Lesnars guaranteed $400,000 fight purse for his win over Frank Mir, whereas Fedor's next fight in Affliction will net him around $2 million if memory serves, and I think the UFC would rather spin a "He's too cowardly to take a price cut, sign an exclusivity contract where we completely own your life, facial likeness and marketing rights to do with as we please and prevent you from representing your country in Sambo as we deem it a unsanctioned fight where we can't profit from it so he can fight our overhyped champion".

        Somehow I can see why Fedor wouldn't take the fight.

        Although I could see Shane Carwin doing the job against Lesnar providing he wins his next fight against Cain Velasquez.
        I'll also add that I dislike Lesnar due to his WWE background, ignoring that he was a NCAA champion, so its clear despite his size he's definitely talented, I dislike how he's adapted the Vince McMahon/WWE school of playing a Heel to MMA, he comes off as childish and unprofessional in a time where MMA is trying to step away from stereotypes of simply being cage fights and barroom brawls, it reflects badly on the sport as a whole, however im sure Dana White and the UFC are laughing their way to the bank.
        Lesnar guarantees PPV sales, and brings in the pro wrestling crowd, whether the more hardcore MMA crowd which to this point has been more of a devoted niche fanbase would want the pro-wrestling fan element surrounding the sport is another thing I wonder.

        *Not to ramble about Pro-Wrestling, im sure its a hard job considering the wear and tear each wrestler goes through day in day out ignoring the fact that each match has a predetermined outcome.*

        Lesnar is controversial, in the UFC for being gifted the championship in 3 fights, and in general because of his attitude, either way, it guarantees arses on seats and money in the bank from PPV's, either way the UFC wins despite sacrificing a little professionalism in the process.
        I also think Shane Carwin could have a chance at Brock Lesnar, although I'd prefer Lesnar facing off against Cain since I think Cain would take him down also. Shane really suprised me in the fight against Gabriel, and he has even said that he's really disgusted with Brock's recent "lack of respect for the fans", and he's had several fans come up to him and ask him to make Brock pay. I don't think Dana White is particularly happy with Lesnar's antics, he was extremely pissed after the fight. He screamed at Lesnar in his locker room to the point where Lesnar came to the post-fight conference happy as a clown, apologetic and drinking a bud light (which he also dissed on earlier).

        Dana told the press that Brock "made the UFC look like some kind of circus" lol. I do agree that they are making tons of money of Brocks' hype and headlines. Of course, it will only be a matter of time before someone more experienced comes along and de-thrones him. Carwin, Cain? Maybe Mirko Cro Cop could do the job if he can get back on his game. Fedor would mosty likely destroy him, and even though Dana White has said that "I'm going to give the fans what they've been wanting for years, Fedor will be in the UFC", I'm still not sure that he'll be able to seal the deal when Fedor's last contract ends in August. I agree that there's a chance that Fedor would sign, but than again most people would argue that the UFC is the most talent-rich organization, so this would be a chance for him to dominate abunch of these fighters and prove to everyone who's unaware of "Fedor" that he's the best. Than again, I don't think Fedor is interesting in proving anything, he wants fights, not fame.

        Originally posted by TheBlackMamba View Post
        One thing I do hate is how everytime people talk about Matt Hughes they talk about his win over Royce Gracie, wtf? Gracie didn't fight for 11 years before he fought Hughes that's bad enough as it is, and if Hughes were to fight Gracie in the old UFC when it was more like Kumite he would not have won
        Yea I don't think anyone should be judged over one loss, especially when it's a their first fight in such a long time. Everyone knows that Gracie would have destroyed Hughes had it been earlier. Hughes beat an less experienced George St. Pierre, and than George came back and has now beat Hughes twice in a row.
        Last edited by REmaster; 07-19-2009, 04:18 PM.
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        • #19
          yea Georges Rush is very good especially how when he first came he wasn't much of a wrestler, but he improved it vastly, and using it to destroy Hughes

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          • #20
            Yea it's pretty amazing that a guy that wasn't a wrestler is now possibly the best takedown artist in the MMA.
            Last edited by REmaster; 07-19-2009, 06:16 PM.
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            • #21
              yea, if it wasn't for him improving his wrestling the old GSP I think wouldn't be able to beat Thiago Alves, cus going toe to toe with Alves would be insane

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              • #22
                Agreed. It was kinda sad to see Thiago stuck on the ground or against the cage the whole time with all that rage and no way to release it lol, a perfect example of wrestling at it's finest.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by REmaster View Post
                  Agreed. It was kinda sad to see Thiago stuck on the ground or against the cage the whole time with all that rage and no way to release it lol, a perfect example of wrestling at it's finest.
                  yea, you can be a good stand up fighter all you want, but when your ass is on the ground you better know what to do lol look at Lidell, great stand up fighters, not much of a ground game, that's why he's such a good takedown defender cus he can't handle it, Alves has to learn to do that

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                  • #24
                    Brock LEsnar FTW!

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                    • #25
                      Affliction just went Belly up and have resigned as a clothing Sponsor with the UFC following the collapse of Affliction Trilogy due to Barnett's failed drug test, meaning that Fedor is most probably a free agent again, UFC have supposedly also promised more announcements on July 31st, hopefully one of them will be signing Fedor, although I don't see it happening anytime soon.

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                      • #26
                        ^ So They don't have to wait until Fedor's last fight under contract in August? All I know is that Fedor = End of Brock's championship reign. I like brock don't get me wrong, it's just that, well...it's Fedor lol. He's got ALOT more experience under his belt. Now, Here's a clip from one of my favorite fighters, Mirko Cro cop when he took on Fedor for the title(I love the badass Terminator music lol).
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R22RBq66LU

                        Also, here's a clip of Mirko giving an interview not long after he lost to Nogueira, where he takes up for Nogueira after reporters bad mouth him. He tells an interesting story about Nogueira that I never knew so some of you may find it intersting
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3l2ZQv87UY
                        Last edited by REmaster; 07-25-2009, 03:33 PM.
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                        • #27
                          Cro Cop hasn't been the same fighter for the past 4-5 years, im not going to get on any bandwagon saying he's finished, but his form has definitely been below par, especially considering his last win was more or less opportunism on his part following an eye poke which the Referee should have noticed.

                          As far as Fedor goes, I believe he's free to negotiate with any other companies now.

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                          • #28
                            Yea, I like Dana White but it always pisses me off when he says "Fedor's overrated". Something tells me he would be singing a different tune if Fedor was fighting in his organization. Sure, people do talk about Fedor alot but many great fighters in the UFC from GSP, Tim Sylvia, Shogun Rua to Randy Couture said it themselves that Fedor is pound for pound the best fighter in the world.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40kDJsw8dwU

                            It's hard for people to say you're overrated when your record is 31-1. Really it should be 31-0, considering how he "lost" that fight (which it wasn't even really a fight). As soon as the fight started his opponent threw an elbow and cut Fedor's eye, which for some reason was an automatic loss in a championsip fight in whatever organization that was.
                            Here is the loss so you can see for yourself how lame it was lol.

                            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qbM3wRf70s
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                            • #29
                              What's so good about wrestling ground and pound? it's lame one lucky punch or throw and you fall to the ground and your more than likely stuffed from that point onwards via a submission or by getting your face smashed.
                              Toe to toe kickboxing slug fests are much more entertaining and at least you get the chance to recover slightly during the onslaught.
                              I swear the only reason people watch Pride and UFC is because it's because it's full of huge muscly men it's no better than WWF / WWE.
                              If he had a brain, he'd be dangerous.

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                              • #30
                                ground and pound may not be interesting to watch but it's smart fighting, when you can't take a guy on toe to toe take him down. It's like boxing, you want a slugfest every fight, but you're not going to get that cus they're the boxer, they have to worry about themselves not what the fans think.

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