MMA

[kevstah2004]

Well yeah your obviously gonna defend yourself unless your daft like Muhammad Ali who believed he was better than everybody so he let people hit him just for sake of it instead of defending against it.

[The Dude]

I think Howard Davis Jr *Boxing coach for American Top Team* had a point when he mentioned in an interview on MMAJunkie radio that its probable that within the next 4-5 years MMA will flip from something like 25% Striking 75% ground game to predominantly striking. Alot of it will actually be due to pressure from companies to produce more compelling fights to mass audiences as MMA becomes more mainstream.

[Dan Corson]

UFC has it's pluses, I guess. It's always great to see people punch and kick each other into oblivion, but it almost always ends up on the ground and boring me to tears... :/

[TheBlackMamba]

Well yeah your obviously gonna defend yourself unless your daft like Muhammad Ali who believed he was better than everybody so he let people hit him just for sake of it instead of defending against it.

lol Muhammad Ali is The Greatest and he didn't let people just hit him, he's smart, when he'd get it to the head he'd turn it so they'd hit the back of his neck

[The Dude]

I'd argue that Joe Frazier was the greatest of all time, Ali was great but loud and overhyped.

[Guest]

Sorry dude, muhammad ali is the greatest boxer and is considered one of the 3 athletes of the century joining Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan.

[kevstah2004]

I'd argue that Joe Frazier was the greatest of all time, Ali was great but loud and overhyped.

Co-sign Frazier's hooks and uppercuts were lethal, Ali danced around the ring too much jabbing any time he got caught up inside or against the rope he was useless, I can knockout Ali on FN3 with Jesus Chavez lol all you have to do is dodge and counter him with uppercuts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZCvCxirJic

[TheBlackMamba]

Co-sign Frazier's hooks and uppercuts were lethal, Ali danced around the ring too much jabbing any time he got caught up inside or against the rope he was useless, I can knockout Ali on FN3 with Jesus Chavez lol all you have to do is dodge and counter him with uppercuts.

you pple r out of ur minds, u can beat Ali in a game so what?

and no way is Frazier better than Ali, Frazier is a great, but look at Muhammad Ali's fights. He beats Frazier 2 0f 3 times, had the title 3 times, beats Norton, beats Liston, upsets Foreman who everyone said would kill him

Muhammad Ali being loud was a good thing, it helped boxing, the sport could use a Muhammad Ali today

hmm where's the rest of the vid where Ali gets up by the 2 count? everyone knows that wasn't a real knockdown, it was exhaustion, the only time Ali really got rocked was against Henry Cooper

[kevstah2004]

I'd say he only beat Frazier once the second was a TKO fight stoppage, yes Frazier was knocked to pieces in the 14th but that doesn't mean he couldn't carry on in the 15th he was protesting to continue whilst Ali wanted it stopped, Ali fainted shortly after the stoppage

He claimed that this was the closest to dying he had ever been, and also stated, "Joe Frazier, I'll tell the world right now, brings out the best in me. I'm gonna tell ya, that's one helluva man, and God bless him." In a brief post-fight interview with one of the commentators, Ali announced, "He is the greatest fighter of all times, next to me."

[TheBlackMamba]

no the third was TKO, the second was decision, and if you watched the second fight ALi hurt Frazier in the second but the ref for no reason intervened and gave Frazier time to recover, Ali won the second, and won the third fight.

I'm no seeing how this proves that Frazier is GOAT more than Ali, of course Frazier brought the best out in him, and Ali's brought about the same in Frazier, and Ali won the rubber match = G.O.A.T.

[kevstah2004]

I meant the second time Ali beat him "the third fight" not the actual the second fight it's self.
Ali probably wouldn't have Parkinson's now if he didn't take so many pointless head shots, adrenaline is the best drug for pain the full effects of the damage aren't always apparent until a considerable amount of time has passed now ask yourself who really won.

[TheBlackMamba]

I meant the second time Ali beat him "the third fight" not the actual the second fight it's self.

oh well I'm still failing to see how Frazier can be claimed GOAT over Ali

[kevstah2004]

Frazier
Total fights 37
Wins 32
Wins by KO 27
Losses 3 - scrap his 2nd loss to Ali.
Draws 1
No contests 0

Ali
Total fights 61
Wins 55 - scrap his 2nd win against Frazier.
Wins by KO 37
Losses 5
Draws 0
No contests 0

3 vs 5 the only reason you consider Ali to be the GOAT is because he appeared in more
fights who's to say Frazier wouldn't of had a better record had he appeared in more fights
during his career?

According to Joe in the HBO special documenting "The Thrilla in Manilla" fight, he was partially blind in his left eye due to a training accident in 1965. This would indicate that throughout his entire professional career, he fought with only partial sight on his left side.

[TheBlackMamba]

according to your logic Marciano should be GOAT seeing as how he went 49-0, Mayweather Jr is 39-0, is he better than Sugar Ray? your logic is flawed

And you can't scrap losses that's just plain bs, one could argue De La Hoya beat Mayweather, so should that loss be scrapped? no, the judges made their decision.

Records don't prove a how great a fighter is, Ali is GOAT cus he beat the best, Foreman, Frazier, Norton, Liston, etc.

Of Frazier's 4 losses, who did he lose 2 of them to? you guessed it, Muhammad Ali

Also, Ali lost 3 fights due to his longevity in the ring, when he was past his prime, who's to say if Frazier fought longer he wouldn't have lost 2 or more of those fights and have more losses than Ali?

[kevstah2004]

Also, Ali lost 3 fights due to his longevity in the ring, when he was past his prime, who's to say if Frazier fought longer he wouldn't have lost 2 or more of those fights and have more losses than Ali?

Nobody, but who's to say Frazier wasn't already past his best anyway before he retired compare Tyson of the 80's to 90's.

I didn't consider it a loss since Frazier still wanted to carry on and Ali openly admitted he was pretty much spent himself which is probably half of the reason he wanted the fight stopped therefore I think i'm justified in saying scrap that win for Ali call it a draw he can keep the other one though ;-P
Of Ali's 5 losses, who did he lose 1 of them to? you guessed it, Frazier during what I would call both their primes he exploited Ali's weak defense, dropping of hands to the fullest.
Frazier only lost to Ali and Foreman who did Ali lose against Berbick
and Holmes.
Foreman never got a rematch against Ali either.