I'm Angry

[Ununoctium]

Well Darkmoon, I find it amusing how you believe your opinion somehow equates to facts. Really America is in a position much like South Africa was in the early 1990s. We can either choose to become socialist states and join the European Union like some other countries (becoming socialists/EU = becoming like Zimbabwe, Uganda, Equatorial Guinea) or we can keep our freedom and remain a democracy (keeping our democracy/freedom = Nelson Mandela forgiving the whites)

[Pikminister]

I think that discussing politics or religion with someone is a good way to measure the mental capacity/state of that individual.

However, on a forum... it ruins things because when you're discussing RE with a person who thinks and believes that Obama is a time-traveling alien born in Kenya.... it just... I dunno...

I better stop, though... don't wanna feed that... well, y'know.

[Darkmoon]

I know. Trust me, we have our regional branch of the Tin Hat Brigade (the guy who thinks the Royal Family are lizard people is my personal favourite) and as I said, I'm not trying to convince him anyway. I'm trying to tell the poor, clueless sod who wanders across this thread a year from now that, no, this actually is what happens (rather than all us Europeans dying in the gutter because no one has a working health care system, for example) and maybe get them to go look it up themselves. I know full well unless I say, 'America is the one true nation and we are all fools for not copying ourselves exactly after it's every law and system' he doesn't seem too likely to listen to me. But such is life.

[Pikminister]

I have a thing about what I see as wrong information that makes it annoyingly hard to stop arguing - I hate the feeling that some poor and misinformed soul is gonna wander across it and think it's right. So I feel a need to put up, in my opinion, more accurate information. Although honestly, if anyone reads something like this without double checking themselves and assuming it's right, from me or anyone else, is kinda scary thinking. I know I'm not gonna change Ununoctium's mind - facts, figures and such don't shift it, so I have no reason to think anything else will. But I feel this annoyingly obligation to correct (in my opinion, at least) him anyway.

Such is life for someone whose brain is as badly wired as mine.

Well since I live in the US, I have to deal with these weirdos (from both the Right and the Left... damn those freakin' 911 conspiracy wackos) quite often. And I can tell you that you're def wasting your time. You will never change his mind.

But if it that keeps you entertained... keep at it.

[Darkmoon]

I have a thing about what I see as wrong information that makes it annoyingly hard to stop arguing - I hate the feeling that some poor and misinformed soul is gonna wander across it and think it's right. So I feel a need to put up, in my opinion, more accurate information. Although honestly, if anyone reads something like this without double checking themselves and assuming it's right, from me or anyone else, is kinda scary thinking. I know I'm not gonna change Ununoctium's mind - facts, figures and such don't shift it, so I have no reason to think anything else will. But I feel this annoyingly obligation to correct (in my opinion, at least) him anyway.

Such is life for someone whose brain is as badly wired as mine.

[Pikminister]

Why you fellas keep arguing with a tin-foil wearing ideologue who firmly believes Hitler was a Leftist is beyond me.

But then I see how slow the forum is and then I go... "well, I guess that beats watching old crusty X-files episodes on TV".

Nah, I was actually going to comment on what Xander Ashford wrote about buying used games at GameStop... Jesus... they sell the crappiest pieces of crap in the entire nation.

I did managed to find a good place to buy my 2nd hand games, though. The games that they sell are practically new. They won't sell anything with scratches (noticeable ones, that is).

That's where I got my pristine copies of Killer 7 and RE3 for the Cube. Didn't pay extra for them either.

[Darkmoon]

Yet those "plenty of other nations" have massive amounts of debt, a culture that rewards idleness, and socialism. And that source you used hardly looks professional and reliable. It looks like it was designed by a 12 year old. Again, you can't compare the extremes of one system to the average of another.

The US has a higher rate of Unemployment than the UK right now, (not by much, but I think the US is on 9.1 compare to our 8.something of the population out of work) while the US has a debt of $14.5 trillion compared to the UK's £966.8 billion (or $1.5 trillion converted) while our populations are 307,006,550 for the US and 62,218,761 for the UK.

In other words, we have lower unemployment and roughly half the national debt, per person, than you do - while maintaining the NHS, amongst other 'socialist' projects such as free schools and public works repairs and projects.

The figures quoted are from the World Health Organisation - it's just simpler to look them up there than read through the report. But you can easily enough find, and confirm, the report if you so wish. As for the comparison - yeah, a number of American folks aren't impressed. If only the study didn't count a bunch of things America would be much higher. Oddly, only some Americans seem to feel this way...

[TheSelfishGene]

What are you

Curious.

[Ununoctium]

Just an incidental question. Have you ever travelled outside of the USA?

Yes, on numerous occasions. What are you

[TheSelfishGene]

Yet those "plenty of other nations" have massive amounts of debt, a culture that rewards idleness, and socialism. And that source you used hardly looks professional and reliable. It looks like it was designed by a 12 year old. Again, you can't compare the extremes of one system to the average of another.

Just an incidental question. Have you ever travelled outside of the USA?

[Ununoctium]

You should just bow to the will of the Union already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct9-s...eature=related

The South will rise again!

[Mr. Spencer]

You should just bow to the will of the Union already.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct9-sT8Ovgc&feature=related

[Ununoctium]

Yet, plenty of other nations do. With a higher quality of care than the US. 33 other countries, certainly.

Also? Still creepy.

Yet those "plenty of other nations" have massive amounts of debt, a culture that rewards idleness, and socialism. And that source you used hardly looks professional and reliable. It looks like it was designed by a 12 year old. Again, you can't compare the extremes of one system to the average of another.

[Darkmoon]

Yet, plenty of other nations do. With a higher quality of care than the US. 33 other countries, certainly.

Also? Still creepy.

[Ununoctium]

Silly me, thinking facts and figures would alter your mind. And it's good to know you deserve to live, just so long as you can cough up the cash. Money really does make you a more deserving person!

Still creepy though.

Everyone still gets emergency medical treatment. But homeless people shouldn't expect to have the taxpayers pay for his billions of dollars worth of treatment. It's a drain on the system and not sustainable.

Those people can still receive their super expensive treatment though through the local community coming together and helping out, churches and religious organizations taking him in, and charitable organizations donating to pay for his treatment. Not to mention that the US government (fortunately or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it) does have have some social programs to help uninsured people get top notch healthcare (Medicare and Medicaid).