God Hates Geeks now?

[Alexia_Ashford]

alexia as a moderator you should be more vigilant before accusing anyone and the end of the day you say who goes and who stays..

If you'd actually bothered to read the original post (which I even quoted for you if scrolling up was too much effort), you'd realise that I didn't accuse you of fuck all. I said that Atheism was irrelevant, and not all Christians were like the ones at Westboro Baptist Church. Actually reading a post is usually a requirement before you make a comment on it and accuse (lol) people of throwing accusations around willy-nilly.

This is my final post on the matter because im clearly wasting my time with you.

As I obviously am with you.

1.On the subject of god hating me,it is totally irrelevant to ME to ME not anyone else because there is no solid proof of his existance so you might as well accuse the tooth fairy of hating me because thats what the idea of it means to me.....SOD ALL

I never said God hates you. It might not matter to you whether God hates you or not. It might be irrelevant to you. However, being an Atheist does not make you immune from that hatred. That is the point me and Darkmoon made, which has clearly gone straight over your head.

2.alexia your ignorance astounds me as during this debate you cant phathom you have clearly been proven wrong on one occasion and that was your initial accusation but still you cant bring yourself to murmur an apology(which by the way I did) so ITS YOU WHO NEEDS TO GET A GRIP a grip on your ego would be a start!

You serious? Why would I apologise to a guy who makes an ignorant statement, I make a comment on how it's irrelevant and that not all Christians are like the ones in Westboro Baptist Church, he gets all butthurt and completely over-sensitive on the issue and then apparently that means I've been proven wrong? Why does that make me ignorant? It's you who clearly hasn't read any of the points I made in my last post, whereas I've quoted yours and answered them bit by bit.

3.I'm not butthurt in the slightest but obviously in your impervious wisdom you understand how I feel better than I do!(your talents are wasted here seek a proffesion in therapy)

Well obviously you are, given the caps lock, the exclamation marks, and the completely out-of-proportion reaction.

Save yourself the time and dont bother replying as I wont be cos lets face it we're both arguing over a tottally irrelevant and pathetic issue that wouldnt of started if you had an inch of common courtesy in your over- inflated head.

I'm sure you'd love to get the last word in, but no. This wouldn't have started if you'd not made a tactless comment to begin with and then acted like a drama queen when you misinterpretted my response.

I love how you edit your post after I've responded to it as well, and you're turning it into a whole "moderator" thing because you have nothing else to fall back on. You also find stupid posters on every forum too!

If you want me to understand what you're trying to say, then don't say the same arguments but put bullet points next to them, actually bother asking my questions/points. That tends to help a debate move along a bit.

[Darkmoon]

Oi. Bored now. Move on people. Make fun of the silly church people we can all hate on because they suck. 'Cos they're all clearly gay and are actually using the hate to create more sympathy because everyone else thinks they're morons and therefore the opposite of what they say is usually right.

JENIUZ!

[Alexia_Ashford]

Oh well. I still love her. Go Go GaGa! Actually I just found a really good one for you Jon..

[Darkmoon]

Cthlhu hates everyone and everything. Except maybe his stawspawn and daughter. From whom, in the far future when something finally offs the bastard, he'll be born again.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Maybe he's quite an appropriate deity for the Westboro Baptist Church then. Nothing will kill Cthulhu. Ever. Except my character in Call of Cthulhu, perhaps. I mean, she has a torch, a handbag, everything.

[Karui]

That just makes me sick.

I reiterate my earlier statement.

[Guest]

wow, religion and politics aren't the best topics to discuss... EVER, if u think something is like THIS stik with it, if u think it is like THAT stik with that, but don't any of u ever go acusin someone else his beliefes are wrong! one has the liberty to choos what ever he/she wants. I for example am 100% atheist, and IF god did exist I would be a satanist, who the f*** does "god" think he is?? he is a total dictator, after all, he should let someone else take the responsibility from time to time.
By the way, I believe this people should be arrested for disturbing the public view

[Enrico Marini]

A philosopher claimed, "Possibly the gods exist, and possibly they do not. So why not believe in them in any case? If it's all true you'll go to a lovely place when you die, and if it isn't then you've lost nothing, right?" When the philosopher died, "he woke up in a circle of gods holding nasty-looking sticks and one of them said, 'We're going to show you what we think of Mr Clever Dick in these parts...'"

Well there's Pascal's Wager satirised. Agnostic is the way forward.

Maybe there should be a limit of how many pickets someone can set up in a monthly basis. There's picketting and protesting, then there is just hate mongering which angers the blood.

[nemesiswontdie]

Maybe there should be a limit of how many pickets someone can set up in a monthly basis.

Wouldn't work.

GOD HATES PICKETS!

PICKETS BURN IN HELL FOREVER

THANK GOD FOR BLANK PICKETS.

[Shadow Stalker]

Personally I believe their a bunch of con-artists that is giving Christianity a bad name.

I'll post this document again to show the reason why it's possible that there con-artists.

I personally hope to get some feedback this time.

Fred Phelps is a Con Man
Why the Westboro Baptist Church is a Scam

Disclaimer: The following was written by the user El_Camino_SS in this thread on Fark.com, 02/21/2006.
I do not claim to have written this. This was found while browsing and is being reprinted without the consent of the original author, albeit I don't think this person would mind me having it here, I don't want any mistake made that I claim ownership of these words.

I merely agree with them...


The Scam of the Decade
Fred Phelps does not believe what he is doing. This is a scam.

It's a business. They travel the country, set up websites telling you exactly when they'll be there, and using the most inflammatory statements all over the place, just to get someone to violate their rights for profit. Then they sue the military, the police force that was to protect them, and everyone that is around them for money. This is a sham, and it is a trap to get people sued. Every member of his family is an attorney. Phelps does not break the law. What he does is try to make you break the law by trying to punch your sensibilities about everything you hold dear, and then sue you and everyone municipality around him to the max.

This is a scam.

Whether he believes his posters or not is irrelevant.
He's using this as a moneymaking scheme.
Lay one finger on him, do one thing that violates him, and he will sue you, and more importantly, the city, the police department, the US Military, and any private property owner he happens to be standing on to make money off of it.

Let's look at the ways he's trying to get you up in a tizzy to violate his civil rights for profit:

•He says God Hates Fags, God hates the US Govt., that God hates the US Military, God Hates you, and God justifies the killing of others.
Phelps knows that saying 'God' and 'Hate' in the same sentence gets people worked up. He knows that. He knows that people have a knee jerk reaction to that.
•He says that the US Govt. and the United States are evil.
This is another hot button with people who love their country. It is intentional. It is designed to make you take a swing at him. He wants $50,000 from you. He wants a Powerball winner to swing at him so he gets 100 million dollars. It's that simple.
•He goes after homosexuals, he goes after people who are making sacrifices. Phelps intentionally targets people that are being victimized, or good people doing their jobs to create more outrage. He kicks people when they're down. He does that so someone will come up and defend them. Then he will sue you.

•His boards are laminated on hardwood, because he pulls them out of trucks at least five times a week. He also puts them in bright colors for attention, and makes absolutely sure that you can read them at all time. He's phishing you. Everyone must know that.
The most telling tale about all of Phelp's behavior is the schedule he keeps, and the company he keeps as well. The parties sometimes split up and go to two separate state funerals to maximize the profitability of them. There are, at maximum, twelve members to the party. They never stay more than thirty minutes (I assume they realize that someone will do something to them the MOMENT they come out of the vans, and really, after that, they get their camera shots to cause the outrage for the next stop, and then they move on) to maximize their profits, because time is money, and really, they're not interested in the message, because they're just interested in the lawsuit.

See? They don't believe this stuff. If they did, they wouldn't have come to Coretta Scott King's funeral. Because in their doctrine, they don't believe that G-d hates black people who tried to promote Christianity. So why were they there? They were there to make a buck when someone slipped up. They were there to petition the police department for a right to protest, and if they didn't get it, take them to court over it.

Basically, Phelps is playing the Ken Lay, Karl Rove, "Smartest Man in the Room" game where he is willing to do anything (if it be lying or stealing, or telling you God hates you) to make himself rich and powerful. This is his scheme, and admittedly, it's clever, but just downright evil to promote so much hatred in the world.

Tell all your friends about this.
This man is a con artist, and he's not a man of religion whatsoever.

After all, he makes everyone around him a lawyer.
That should tell you right now he is not anything.
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How do I know that Fred Phelps is suing people? I can tell you I just have too much experience around him. I am a journalist in Nashville, TN, and work at a television station that works the Ft. Campbell area. As a television photographer and journalist, I have been trained in all of the rules of private property, verbal conversation, what is legal and what is not legal, etc. (what you can and cannot say, what you can get away with). Honestly, in the last few months, I have seen waaay too much of Mr. Phelps and his crew. Since the war began, I believe they think this is the moneymaking source of a lifetime.

So how am I sure? After the third run in, and not one slip, not one piece of paperwork out of line, I knew something was fishy. My newsman skepticism left me with the idea later that something was more phishy than fishy.
I will tell you where I got this truth about Phelps. I looked him in the eye. I saw that he was way too calm and collected for what he looked like in the media. I noticed that he never made personal statements against a person, which is verbal assault, and an out against a lawsuit. Also, for a religious fanatic, a group of people who pride themselves on personal attacks, he was running a protest so terribly by the books that I was impressed by it. He will not bait a person, ever. He will not make personal attacks. He will make blanket statements. He will look at a person in the crowd that he thinks is gay, walk over to his stack of signs, pull out the appropriate, well designed, easily read, laminated bright board, and hold it up and loudly proclaim that "gays are going to hell" or some such nonsense, and make eye contact, but he will never cross the line of telling that person that they're going to hell. That would be the part that would screw up the lawsuit. He just wants to get them after him, but wants to appear utterly blameless for damages.

They run too tight of a ship to slip up, and at that point, I realized that the objective of the group was not anything religious at all. Someone told me along the way that they were all turned into lawyers after he got disbarred. After that, the stench was just too intense for me. He makes money off of this. He does this so much he has everyone around him do the legal legwork so he doesn't have to pay anyone else.

The last time confirmed everything I suspected about them.
A few weeks later, I saw them again (they LOVE to come to big name funerals) and after I saw the laminated signs change for the audience, I knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

His 'crew' isn't a 'church' as you and I would know. The 'church' are more of a motley crew of family members. Some of them are six year old children that are doing what they're told. I have spoken to them, and they have a lawyers sensibility on them on how they speak to the public. They never make personal attacks. They never verbally assault anyone. For a group of people that are accusing damn near every group of people around them for going to hell, wouldn't that seem odd to you? Do you know any religious fanatics that don't make personal attacks? I don't.

They also don't stick around after the cameras roll. They have an itinerary like a semi truck driver. For them to get cleared for all of these press event protests they're doing, then they have to have someone at home doing all of the setup. For you to get the press clearances by the prescribed times? That's a lot of professional legwork. I should know, I've coordinated a newsrooms credentials when the President comes to town, and that's a lot of phone calls and faxes.

They probably file a load of civil rights violation lawsuits. If a police department looks them up and says, "we're denying your protest right," BOOYah. They just got to sue a police department for the very thing that Americans can't stand, rights violation. I am assuming that this is where they get almost all of their money.

See my previous post. Their beliefs are so riddled with inconsistency. The 'real inconsistency' is that every position that contradicts every other of their beliefs is designed to maximize the number of people that they offend. You cannot be saved to them. You are evil in their beliefs, no matter who you are, and God will punish you like the evil gays/soldiers/innocent people/people who love America/people who are black/everyone else we can think of.

Here's the proof. Who in the world makes a poster that says, "Thank God for IEDs" (Improvised Explosive Devices, aka Roadside Bombs). They are saying God is with the terrorists. Then they say God hates you. And homosexuals. Then when they see you looking patriotic with your American flag shirt, they point the sign at you and say, "Americans are going to hell for supporting this country!" and look you in the eye. NOTICE THOUGH, they never say, "You're going to hell." (That would give a judge an out to deny them their claim.)

So what do you think about it?

[Darkmoon]

Honestly? As much as I'd love to believe this, there are far easier ways of bilking folks out there cash. Politician, for example. I think there is a certain element of greed to what they do, certainly, but I suspect most of them truly believe the stuff they say.

[Enrico Marini]

All I'll say is maybe it was a scam by Fred Phelps but because its been fed to the other generations as gospel, they've more than likely become fanatics of it.

[Shadow Stalker]

... but I suspect most of them truly believe the stuff they say.

When I think about it, it could be possible that Fred and co. might believe it regardless of what they're doing.

I've also managed to come across this speech from Nate Phelps (one of Fred's four estranged children) taking about his traumatic life growing up in the church on his official website.

You can check it out here: http://natephelps.com/10801.html

[Darkmoon]

Yeah. That doesn't come as a massive shock. I'd be surprised if it still happened, though. At least the physical beatings. Social services are likely watching them with a fairly beady eye and Phelps is too smart to allow himself to end up in prison. If only because he'd be in the middle of every gangbang the convicts could manage.

...I really, really hope he gets arrested now.

[Shadow Stalker]

...I really, really hope he gets arrested now.

Yeah ... me too.