10 Things Christians and Athiests Can And Will Agree On

[Guest]

I can read just fine. What do you mean?

learn2followrules.

[Bertha]

Umm... Not as poorly written as your comment.
learn2spell article.

Butthurt over a typo? lol Get over it with your poor attempt at trolling.

[Trent]

Back to topic, shall we?

[Member_of_STARS]

There is no topic. Its religion vs nonreligion. This was settled very, very long time ago. I doubt its going to be re-railed anyway and considering we already have a general religion topic, (not trying to armchair-moderate) this can be locked.

Besides, even if not everyone agrees on the subject, most people still agree that the article is crap.

[Mr. Spencer]

Ten things that Christians and Atheists can agree on? How about one thing that we can all agree on - that article is asinine and fruitless.

[TenderRondo]

Ten things that Christians and Atheists can agree on? How about one thing that we can all agree on - that article is asinine and fruitless.

I think weather you agree or disagree, being spiritually invested in something is good. Most religions teach not only faith but good family morals. Without religion we would not get shiny new games for Christmas and I would have never played Resident Evil.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I think weather you agree or disagree, being spiritually invested in something is good. Most religions teach not only faith but good family morals.

I disagree with this completely. While the message of a lot of religions is good, it is also often used in the name of atrocities/closed mindedness. Just to name a couple: the reason gays still can't openly serve in the military in the US: religion. Female circumcision is done in the name of religion most of the time so the woman is "pure" for the man by the time of marriage. The wearing of veils by Muslim women with which the very act is trying to suggest that they are their husband's property and not equal to him. In my opinion it teaches as many bad things as it does good. The overall message of "love" in the Bible is nice, but it feels a little farfetched when you've just finished reading the Old Testament where God burns people alive because they did not offer him a good enough sacrifice.

Oh, and apparently if you don't obey him, he will starve you and strip you of all your belongings so you have to eat your own babies.

Ya, srsly.

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If you refuse to listen to the LORD your God and to obey the commands and laws he has given you, all these curses will pursue and overtake you until you are destroyed. These horrors will serve as a sign and warning among you and your descendants forever. Because you have not served the LORD your God with joy and enthusiasm for the abundant benefits you have received, you will serve your enemies whom the LORD will send against you. You will be left hungry, thirsty, naked, and lacking in everything. They will oppress you harshly until you are destroyed. "The LORD will bring a distant nation against you from the end of the earth, and it will swoop down on you like an eagle. It is a nation whose language you do not understand, a fierce and heartless nation that shows no respect for the old and no pity for the young. Its armies will devour your livestock and crops, and you will starve to death. They will leave you no grain, new wine, olive oil, calves, or lambs, bringing about your destruction. They will lay siege to your cities until all the fortified walls in your land – the walls you trusted to protect you – are knocked down. They will attack all the towns in the land the LORD your God has given you. The siege will be so severe that you will eat the flesh of your own sons and daughters, whom the LORD your God has given you. The most tenderhearted man among you will have no compassion for his own brother, his beloved wife, and his surviving children. He will refuse to give them a share of the flesh he is devouring – the flesh of one of his own children – because he has nothing else to eat during the siege that your enemy will inflict on all your towns. The most tender and delicate woman among you – so delicate she would not so much as touch her feet to the ground – will be cruel to the husband she loves and to her own son or daughter. She will hide from them the afterbirth and the new baby she has borne, so that she herself can secretly eat them. She will have nothing else to eat during the siege and terrible distress that your enemy will inflict on all your towns. (Deuteronomy 28:45-57 NLT)

[Mr. Spencer]

I believe that one can be moral without being religious.

[Alexia_Ashford]

And on that same note, it is possible to have faith without being in an organised religion. Morality comes with the quality of the person, not religious text. It's just that there are some very good messages in the religious text mixed up with also very bad messages.

[Member_of_STARS]

I think weather you agree or disagree, being spiritually invested in something is good. Most religions teach not only faith but good family morals. Without religion we would not get shiny new games for Christmas and I would have never played Resident Evil.

When we compare ratios, there are much more religious convicted Americans in prison compared to atheists/agnostics, compared to those who are not convicted.

[Trent]

the reason gays still can't openly serve in the military in the US: religion.

They can do that now.

[DONNIemo]

This place is turning into a christian chat forum -_- lol. Somebody think of the zombies!!

[Grem]

And on that same note, it is possible to have faith without being in an organised religion. Morality comes with the quality of the person, not religious text. It's just that there are some very good messages in the religious text mixed up with also very bad messages.

I agree, but most of our principles and morality come from a religious heritage.

The notion of good and evil is something that comes from religion, and it's the basis of morality.

Even if there is now what we call Humanism, I think that, uncounsciously, most of our society, behaviours and beliefs were (and are probably still) influenced by religions. That's the way I see it anyway.

For example, I'm an atheist and one my friend is a catholic but because of my high principles I behave sometimes much more like a "religious" person than her (in a manner of speaking). Is it because there's no need for religion to be a virtuous person? Or is it because my parents were educated by very religious parents?

I don't want to dissert too much on that subject, but I wanted to add this.

[Bertha]

I think weather you agree or disagree, being spiritually invested in something is good. Most religions teach not only faith but good family morals. Without religion we would not get shiny new games for Christmas and I would have never played Resident Evil.

Note: If you want to be a grammar/spelling troll, perhaps you should learn the difference between whether and weather, and not be such a brat when others have typos.

Telling people you'll give them something nice (like a video game) if they behave isn't teaching good morals, its teaching them to act in a particular way so they can get something out of it. Just like the idea of free will under a god is true free will. If your "god" tells you doing something one way will lead to eternal damnation and suffering, you most likely are going to avoid doing that. That's not free will at all but coercion. You are being blindly ordered to follow one way, or following another out of fear.

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Yeah....pretty much everything here too.

[Grem]

If your "god" tells you doing something one way will lead to eternal damnation and suffering, you most likely are going to avoid doing that

Hence the sense of guilt when we have the feeling of doing "bad" things.

The problem is not religion, it's the way some people interpret it.