Bin Laden is Dead, nee Gay topic

[Trent]

NATO is so helpful. But why NATO is "helping to Libya" there some other conflicts in the world but by unknown reasons nobody showing them on TV, and nato not helping to resolve this problems.

Unknown reasons such as not really knowing that the problems exist or the level of seriousness perhaps, unless you are on a grand conspiracy scheme concerning media?

Heroes are ready to help to countries with tons of oil?!

The demonstrators in Libya are willing to give their oil for foreign air military involvement and support (check the news). We don't live in a fantasy world where countries spend unlimited amount of resources and money to help other countries out, sooner or later things have to be paid back in order to financially support the operations, something which the demonstrators fully understand and are willing to do.

In my opinion any individual who says that NATO's involvement in Libya was wrong, either does not see what is truly going down there, has political reasons beneficial only to his country (and his country's allies) and his belief, or lacks basic ethical and moral principles. If you can recall, Gaddafi was very close (needed one more day) to eradicate the people of Benghazi which then would have been the end of any Libyan individual's basic civil rights in that country. These very civil rights are what you and I have, sitting idly by and seeing this taken from people is a major crime against humanity.

[Stu]

This is a great read. By an American. Gives me hope that such undignified celebrations were by the minority.

[Carnivol]

Aaah. Internet and politics. Such a great thing. This thread is so full of ... ah... forget it.

What an asshole. This guy was in charge or Pakistan for years and most likely knew about where Bin laden was but didn't do shit. Now he's saying we shouldn't have finished what Bin Laden started and let Pakistan do it instead. Pakistan is an incredibly corrupt place from what I understand and whenever the CIA has to do a mission in Pakistan, the Pakistani government are the last people notified due to them leaking information to a target before the CIA can get to them.

This is a pretty common practice/reaction in most countries in the world, especially when someone likes to think they can just go wherever and do whatever, regardless of whenever or whoever the target is. (Take a moment and flip this one around.)

Although not exactly the same, here's a case of "Try any of that bullshit and we're likely to open fire"

Anyway, think I'll snatch rope myself out of this mess before I get entangled in some random flavor of stupidity.

[Mr. Spencer]

All this raging and arguing represents a clear and present danger to the stability of the Horror is Alive.

[Vector]

This is a great read. By an American. Gives me hope that such undignified celebrations were by the minority.

Jon Stewart said it best last night on The Daily Show: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mo...-a-mockingturd
Watch it all the way through to the end.

I keep seeing people complaining, comparing the celebrations of Sunday night to videos of extremists celebrating the events of 9/11. The difference between extremists celebrating 9/11 and Americans celebrating Bin Laden's death -- they celebrated the deaths of INNOCENT people. We were celebrating the death of a madman and awful representative for Arabs and humankind overall. We celebrated the death of a murderer. All these bleeding hearts crying about us 'celebrating death' should have to look into the eyes of the families of people that Al Qaeda killed, and explain their point of view.

[Stu]

I'm sure that he did.

Unfortunately us "non-Americans" can't watch it though. Damn it.

But hey, the people who wrote a speech for Obama for the correspondents dinner being pro-Obama. Who'd have thought it?

[Vector]

I'm sure that he did.

Unfortunately us "non-Americans" can't watch it though. Damn it.

Sucks. His main point is that for far too long, the Arab world in America was represented by Bin Laden, but not anymore. It's now represented by the young people in Egypt and Tunisia and other middle eastern countries where freedom and liberty rises up. I've never been a fan of Stewart or The Daily Show, but he hit the nail on the head last night.

[Guest]

This guy was just fear placement for north americans by their own government :S

[ANDYARKLAY]

This thread is so full of ... ah... forget it.

Its meant to be full of...)))Politics and internet is a such thing. Especially funny when people are living and different countries and getting different information about situation.

Unknown reasons such as not really knowing that the problems exist or the level of seriousness perhaps, unless you are on a grand conspiracy scheme concerning media?

IMHO massmedia is only one source for almost everyone here.
Mass media is able to fool everyone and i think mass media fool everyone. I suspect mass media fool everyone even with Libya's situation. Nobody here is interested in this situation enough to find a way to contact demonstrators(not with leaders!) or talk with Libya's people. Maybe nobody wants to give any oil to anyone.

[Alexia_Ashford]

An interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela-gerloff/the-psychology-of-revenge_b_856184.html?ref=fb&src=sp

[Jill4EverSTARS]

An interesting read:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/pamela...?ref=fb&src=sp

Very very well said and I feel the same way

[Vector]

Think of it. If a leader in our country were killed by another government in the manner in which Osama bin Laden was killed, as "justice" for his acts of aggression in the War on Terror -- and people from that other country were shown proudly chanting the country's name, singing their national anthem, and demonstrating in the streets -- Americans would likely feel more sickened than joyful, don't you think? The impulse to celebrate a death depends on what side you're on.

One problem with this: civilized militaries of the western world don't target innocent civilians specifically like terrorists do. Some might die in collateral damage, and it's awful, but they're not the target. Terrorism targets innocent lives. Targeting uniformed soldiers with roadside bombs is one thing, it might be cowardly but it's still warfare. Attacking subways and buildings where people live and work is what terrorists are known for.

This is just a really poor example by the author. Bin Laden wasn't a government leader, he was a radical terrorist who preached murder and hatred. It's not a valid comparison whatsoever. The so-called 'war on terrorism' has left many innocents dead, but that's war. Terrorism is not war. I'm not dismissing the lives lost at war, but comparing that to victims of terrorism is not the same.

We will only have peace when we stop the cycle of jubilation over acts of violence.

There will never be peace. That's a fact. Mankind will always kill each other, it is our nature.

[ANDYARKLAY]

Very very well said and I feel the same way

I agree that its wrong to celebrate death of someone.

[Vector]

I agree that its wrong to celebrate death of someone.

You're right. Celebrating the deaths of mass murderers and extremists like Hitler and Bin Laden is very wrong.

[Jill4EverSTARS]

Killing of innocents is wrong but our ideology is different from theirs they feel justified in what they do and no I'm not being unpatriotic I love America but I will take the Sophist standpoint I remember reading the Afghanistan and Iraq reports on Wikileaks and we Americans ourselves spilled more blood of innumerable innocents than actual insurgents and al Qaeda fighters