Obama is Trying to Take Away Even More of Our Freedom

[Ununoctium]

Robert Mugabe, I mean Barack Hussein Obama, is trying to take away our freedom yet again! The latest stunt his regime is trying to pull is in-line with some of his previous tactics, like violating the Constitution. Even if you aren't a gun owner, I urge you to sign the petition as it is a prelude to his overall conspiracy against the American people to take away all of our guns and all of our rights.

Obama is trying to pass an undemocratic executive order that would make it illegal for law abiding gun owners to carry their guns on any government property, including public shooting ranges and designated public hunting grounds. He claims he's doing it "because the distant sound of gun fire may frighten dogs that are being walked in the vicinity." But we're on to you, Mr. Hussein.

This is of course just an excuse for him to take away our fundamental rights, we have to do everything in our power to stop this dictator before it's too late. We have never had a president who has been this horrible, hated freedom so much. He is a very cynical and dangerous man indeed.

Please sign this petition to stop the Obamination that passes as the current administration and keep the freedoms we all know and love: http://www.change.org/petitions/us-c...ublic-property


Source: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...f-public-lands

[Wrathborne]

Another pathetic attempt by the government to limit the rights of their people. They're doing this because they're afraid of the people right now.What with all the Occupy movements going sour among other things.

I agree with you somewhat on this Ununoctium, but I think you're definitely becoming a fear monger of Obama....Course at this point I dont blame you too much.

[Ununoctium]

Another pathetic attempt by the government to limit the rights of their people. They're doing this because they're afraid of the people right now.What with all the Occupy movements going sour among other things.

I agree with you somewhat on this Ununoctium, but I think you're definitely becoming a fear monger of Obama....Course at this point I dont blame you too much.

Indeed, the establishment is running scared. And am I fear mongering of Obama? I wouldn't call it fear mongering, myself and several other Americans believe that Obama is the single greatest threat this country and freedom in general has ever faced. We defeated slavery (Civil War), we defeated authoritarianism (WW1), we defeated fascism (WW2), we defeated communism (Cold War), and now we must defeat the enemy from within, Obama. I truly believe it is the goal of Obama and others like him to dumb down the population, abolish the nation state, and wreak total control over everyone and everything.

[Darkmoon]

Two points of order - one, the Civil War was fought over the Southern States succession, not slavery. Lincoln didn't care about the slaves. A quote, infact.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause."

Second, you kinda had some help in World War 1, World War 2 and the Cold War. Despite what the Hollywood movies say, America didn't win both single handed.

[Canas Renvall]

But... But Jon, that means Rambo lied to us.

You wouldn't cross Rambo, would you?

Would you?

Edit: Also, we were the help in WWI and II.

[Darkmoon]

Well, I have no doubt Britain (and the bits of Europe still not under fascist control) would have lost eventually without American money, supplies and eventually troops and war machines. We were within days of being beaten at one point during the Blitz. Hitler's attack on Russia to the East, combined with America's reinforcement in the West, put Germany between a rock and a hard place.

And yes, I'd cross Rambo. I'm not in a Jungle! I'm safe!

[Wrathborne]

one, the Civil War was fought over the Southern States succession, not slavery. Lincoln didn't care about the slaves.

Ya know, its good, and sad when someone well educated from another country knows more about the civil war than most of the people who live here. The fucking revisionists really have screwed many generations.

And as for the rest of what Ununoctium is saying, well he means that we've been somewhat responsible for defeating power hungry assholes outside our country but cant deal with the ones inside our country.

His history is kind of off, WW2s victory was really a joint effort between the UK and the US. Russia tagged along for the ride to collect the spoils of war, in my opinion. Hollywood has always been proud of the US entering WW2 and 'winning', that it kind of ignores that England managed to hold off Germany for so many years despite all the rotten shit the Nazi Party threw at them, and that the end of WW2 wasnt a US victory, but an allied victory.

I don't think that we really stole the 'glory'(I've heard this argument before, not on this forum though), because there is no glory in war, no matter how it gets romanticized, but we did help get rid of one of the nastiest dictators and strongest armies out there. And we did it with help from all over Europe, not just England and France.

Enough history back to the basis of the thread.

The government is scared of the people because we are angry and have guns. When we're regular angry, they ignore us even more, but since the Occupy movement has had some murders and other shit this is the attempt of an opportunist politician to nerf one of the basic rights that the country has had since it was founded.

In the end that this is just more proof that the wrong man was elected president and that people who dont realize that, even now, are more dangerous than he is.Because there are so many more of them, and its election season.

[Ununoctium]

Darkmoon the Civil War was started because of states' rights, which led to Southern Secession, which led to the Civil War. Also, in both WW1 and WW2 we provided aid to both the UK and the Russia/USSR long before we joined the conflict and Britain/USSR would have lost without said aid and later involvement. Also I'd like to remind you of how America stopped the USSR from expanding past Berlin immediately after WW2 and how America got Europe back on it's feet with defense and economic aid (such as the Marshall Plan).

[Mr. Spencer]

Hitler was a very real threat, part of an axis that could not be fought by one country alone. Everyone was involved at some point or another. I think that the main contributing factor to our victory was Hitler's ineptitude. Many of Germany's shortcomings can be attributed to that man. If it wasn't for him, the German army would have captured the entire British Expeditionary Force at Dunkirk. However, I still think that Russia paid the biggest price for victory. They paid in blood. In my opinion, the D-Day landings were not necessary for victory but they did expedite a swift conclusion to the war.

We like to give ourselves too much credit.

But that's enough of my opinion regarding WWII.

Shame I've forgotten what the hell we were talking about, but I'm sure it's some typical nonsense.

[Darkmoon]

His history is kind of off, WW2s victory was really a joint effort between the UK and the US. Russia tagged along for the ride to collect the spoils of war, in my opinion. Hollywood has always been proud of the US entering WW2 and 'winning', that it kind of ignores that England managed to hold off Germany for so many years despite all the rotten shit the Nazi Party threw at them, and that the end of WW2 wasnt a US victory, but an allied victory.

I don't think that we really stole the 'glory'(I've heard this argument before, not on this forum though), because there is no glory in war, no matter how it gets romanticized, but we did help get rid of one of the nastiest dictators and strongest armies out there. And we did it with help from all over Europe, not just England and France.

Don't get me wrong, I said it previously, and I'll say it again - Britain would have lost without American aid and cash for the first two years, and troops later. We simply didn't have the resources to fight the Third Reich, especially man power.

It does annoy me to see in a lot of war movies the last few years American soldiers retaking here, American soldiers saving these people, American soldiers saving France...there were a dozen countries involved there, not least of which was the French soldiers that had escaped being captured! And a lot of people I run across on the net seem to think that's exactly how it happened. American re-took Europe while the European forces had token skirmishes, at best.

Darkmoon the Civil War was started because of states' rights, which led to Southern Secession, which led to the Civil War.

Yes, I know. It wasn't about fighting slavery, though, which was what you claimed. As a point of fact, most of Europe had already abolished slavery at this point, Britain doing so (legally, it hadn't be done much for some time before) in 1833 with the Slavery Abolition Act. Although that did exempt two or three islands, for some reason.

Also, in both WW1 and WW2 we provided aid to both the UK and the Russia/USSR long before we joined the conflict and Britain/USSR would have lost without said aid and later involvement. Also I'd like to remind you of how America stopped the USSR from expanding past Berlin immediately after WW2 and how America got Europe back on it's feet with defense and economic aid (such as the Marshall Plan).

Yes, I know that too. Remember, Archaeologist? I know a lot about history. I even mentioned in a previous post that Britain would have lost without those supplies and eventual US reinforcements. I was simply pointing out that America didn't defeat do all those things all alone, as some movies try to claim (and you post suggests).

It's not too difficult to imagine what would have happened if Britain had fallen. With Japan now controlling Asia on one side, and Germany occupying Europe to the other, America would have been fully confronted by both forces. Russia would have had a much worse time of it, as Germany and Japan could focus there efforts on it. Leaving America all alone, if the Atomic Bomb was produced fast enough. It's location and size would have helped, but the Germans at least had allies in Southern America, where they could and would start moving forces. If America managed to finish the Atomic Bomb, it would have found itself in a Cold War situation where most of the world was it's enemies. If it didn't the combined forces of Japan and Germany, now backed by pretty much the rest of the world, would have, eventually, defeated them.

Of course, that's pure conjecture on my part. But the truth is, if Britain hadn't held out for two years before America officially entered the War it wouldn't have ended well for America any more than anywhere else. So World War II wasn't an American victory - as Wrathborne pointed out, it was an Allied victory.

Hitler was a very real threat, part of an axis that could not be fought by one country alone. Everyone was involved at some point or another. I think that the main contributing factor to our victory was Hitler's ineptitude. Many of Germany's shortcomings can be attributed to that man. If it wasn't for him, the German army would have captured the entire British Expeditionary Force at Dunkirk. However, I still think that Russia paid the biggest price for victory. They paid in blood. In my opinion, the D-Day landings were not necessary for victory but they did expedite a swift conclusion to the war.

We like to give ourselves too much credit.

But that's enough of my opinion regarding WWII.

Shame I've forgotten what the hell we were talking about, but I'm sure it's some typical nonsense.

I can't see how else it could have happened, other than the D-Day landings. Without those Germany could have paid much more attention to the Russian attacks, probably beating them back in due time and leaving a situation where most of Europe was under German control. The Russians did pay an ungodly price in terms of there dead, both pushing the Germans back and then marching on Berlin themselves.

[Stu]

Hang on a minute - i thought Ununoctium was from New Zealand? How does this affect YOUR freedom?

[Darkmoon]

No, he's apparently American. At least, so he suggests elsewhere.

[Ununoctium]

lulz Darkmoon, you think Germany and Japan could have defeated America. And you know what, sure America did have a few allies that tagged along during WW2 (and WW1), but we were the frontrunner, the fighting force. You get all butthurt because "movies and everyone knows that America won WW2" and it upsets you for some reason, get over it. It's like those "offended" videos we posted in the other thread, nothing happens when you get offended, just move on with your life.

[Inferno04]

I'm, I'm sorry. WHAT? America being the frontrunner in WWII? A few allies that 'tagged along'? Oh Jesus Christ, get off my side, you're making Americans like me look bad. I can't even...*Facepalm* Stop watching Michael Bay movies.

[Canas Renvall]

Okay, so, this has gotten out of hand fast. Keep it on topic people. No more derailing or I'm gonna have to bust out the infraction candy that was left over from Halloween.