Obama is Trying to Take Away Even More of Our Freedom

[Ununoctium]

...dude, no. Yes Nemesis was being a little provocative, but no.

I don't know man. It just seems like anyone who wants to take away our constitutional rights is a terrorist. They're striking terror in the hearts and minds of freedom loving individuals, is that not the very definition of a terrorist?

[Wrathborne]

I don't know man. It just seems like anyone who wants to take away our constitutional rights is a terrorist. They're striking terror in the hearts and minds of freedom loving individuals, is that not the very definition of a terrorist?

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[Darkmoon]

Actually..because it says 'arms' and not 'fire arms' there are lots of groups who try and use that argument against the second amendment. 'Arms' meaning weapons is one way to look at it, but a gun is a weapon so it still fits the definition, but it doesn't specifically say we get guns but 'arms'. Funny how almost 300 year old Legalese still holds up,eh?

As for limiting gun use...the concealed weapon carrying card isn't something that's just handed out for free people do have to get some proper weapons training now I believe, the other limits are that ex-cons aren't allowed to own a gun(doesn't stop them from getting one all the time, but determination seems to pay off) and neither are people who have certain mental illnesses.

I don't think it';d be legally possible to actually limit guns more so now, other than maybe increase restrictions on who can own and carry. Here are the gun laws for where I live in the US. every state has some variation of these laws, have a look if you'd like.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/

The sad thing is that you heard about stupid people doing stupid things with guns a lot,and for every idiot there are at least a dozen or so more people who own a gun and don't cause a problem, never shoot themselves in the foot, and just quietly live their lives.

Thanks, I'll take a peek when I can.

And yes, most people who own guns are fine. The problem is, when someone isn't fine, people die. The same can be said about many other things, it's true, but it's a lot easier to kill a lot of people with even a small gun than with a good sword or crossbow.

[Carnivol]

The American political system puzzles me. Or more like those people who bitch 'n' moan about it. No matter how you twist and turn it, apparently the government is some sort of evil "empire*"-like power that, despite being shifted out fairly and being brought in via votes by you and your equals, somehow always manages to be "the bad guy" and "the man" (in the negative sense).

As for the whole "rights" and getting things "taken away". To a certain degree, depending on the nature and intentions of a set of restrictions, there's nothing really wrong with someone telling you not to do something. New laws and restrictions gets added all the time in most countries, mainly 'cause of how the times are changing and thanks to technological and social advancements that just weren't possible to foresee during the authoring of the innitial laws and/or its previous revisions. I've yet to see someone present to me a perfectly good arguement as for why carrying guns, concealed or not, should be legal for the everyday man.

*Star Wars reference, by the way


As for grooming every American citizen under the same comb; if you've looked a bit into how the rest of the world is (on the cultural front and how the persieve others), you probably already know that pretty much every country have their labels for other countries. What's kinda funny about this and the United States is that it probably is the country that has the most consistent label amongst other countries. Reoccuring things are fascinating things to look into. Patterns.

States that have concealed carry have vastly lower crime and crime rates than states that don't. Also, we're allowed to open carry in most states without a permit. Problem, terrorists?

And many countries where possession of firearms happens to be extremely restricted have an even lower crime rate... However, that might not be the guns' fault... so let's not make any hasty conclusions. Buuuuuut... the amount of people getting injured/killed via guns is surprisingly much lower in those countries too. That, however, is something worth looking into, I suppose.


Also, can someone tell me what a "Good" gun owner is and why should we hear about them? What exactly are the qualifications for being a "good" gun owner?

[Darkmoon]

Also, can someone tell me what a "Good" gun owner is and why should we hear about them? What exactly are the qualifications for being a "good" gun owner?

Someone who knows how to handle the gun safely and doesn't think toddlers are simply screaming, mobile targets. In other words, the people who own a gun and don't make the news/youtube.

[Carnivol]

Someone who knows how to handle the gun safely and doesn't think toddlers are simply screaming, mobile targets. In other words, the people who own a gun and don't make the news/youtube.

As a person who doesn't own a gun (but does meet all the local requirements, ownership and safety license included), I feel left out of this posse of supposed "good" gun owners.
Also, when is your good gun owner license revoked? After all, accidents do happen to the best of us.

[Ununoctium]

You're right, countries like China, North Korea, and the former USSR don't have a whole lot of gun crime.

"Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither" -Thomas Jefferson

As a person who doesn't own a gun (but does meet all the local requirements, ownership and safety license included), I feel left out of this posse of supposed "good" gun owners.
Also, when is your good gun owner license revoked? After all, accidents do happen to the best of us.

There you go again, this whole "license" bullshit, there shouldn't be a license for freedom.

[Wrathborne]

There you go again, this whole "license" bullshit, there shouldn't be a license for freedom.

Jon Stewart called, he'd like to interview you for 'The Daily Show'.

[Ununoctium]

Jon Stewart called, he'd like to interview you for 'The Daily Show'.

The vast majority of Americans agree with me, and this is a democracy/republic isn't it? Would you like me to license your right to practice your religion? Or license your freedom of speech? Or license your right to live?

[alexdz]

There you go again, this whole "license" bullshit, there shouldn't be a license for freedom.

What, so anyone should be able to have a gun? Anyone, like, let's say a person with anger issues? Or a violent and mentally unstable person? An alcoholic? And how about others people's right to safety? I wouldn't feel safe if any asshole could carry a gun around.

[Ununoctium]

What, so anyone should be able to have a gun? Anyone, like, let's say a person with anger issues? Or a violent and mentally unstable person? An alcoholic? And how about others people's right to safety? I wouldn't feel safe if any asshole could carry a gun around.

>implying that not licensing guns automatically means that kids, the mentally insane, and ex-convicts would be allowed to buy firearms.

In fact many Americans believe that ex-convicts should be allowed to own firearms and concealed/open carry, they argue that those ex-cons have already paid their debt to society and that now they are free men/women and should have the same rights and privileges of free men/women.

[Carnivol]

If there shouldn't be a license for owning a firearm, then there shouldn't be one for being a surgeon or driver either. Free for all, ladies and gents. There's your job package for ya. Grab a name tag and write whatever title and profession you prefer on it! Let's get this country back in shape! (Also, someone up the beat on that money printer - heard that worked out real well for Zimbabwe and WWII Germant)

In fact many Americans believe that ex-convicts should be allowed to own firearms and concealed/open carry, they argue that those ex-cons have already paid their debt to society and that now they are free men/women and should have the same rights and privileges of free men/women.

How exactly does the whole "paid their debt to society" work? In most cases I get the feeling that your prison system acts like some sort of punishment where all the tax payers gets to chip in on just containing someone in a location for an X amount of time. What they do with the time you, the good citizens, have paid for ... is entirely up to them and without any external direction, influence or input that tries to somehow "correct" them - enabling them to see the wrongs of their actions and somehow help adjust them to go back into the world with everyone else.

And as far as the equal rights things goes; of course they should have the same rights as anyone else. Unless there are very specific conditions surrounding their innitial crime and their release.

[Ununoctium]

People don't have the right to drive a car or to become a surgeon, those are privileges. Owning a gun is a right, just like the right to peacefully assembly.

[Carnivol]

So what exactly differentiates a car from a gun, since one calls for a valid license while the other does not?
And what''s the problem with having a license for gun ownership/usage anyway?

[Ununoctium]

So what exactly differentiates a car from a gun, since one calls for a valid license while the other does not?
And what''s the problem with having a license for gun ownership/usage anyway?

Well first off the whole "licensing" thing is a scam the authoritarian-left uses to set the stage for confiscating our guns. Plus the Supreme Court has ruled that nothing in the Bill of Rights can be licensed.