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  • #16
    Originally posted by Branden_Lucero View Post
    i find the film is going to be overhyped quickly by people. the problem i have with The Dark Knight is that i honestly can't watch it anymore. i tend to skip the entire movie only to scenes with the Joker or Two Face in it, because of how long the film actually drags on. i normally don't have a problem with such things in films that i like, but i have that problem with this one. and i fear it'll end up the same way.
    I disagree with you,I thought the film was a wonderful watch and have watched it many times since my first viewing. Its all about characters and their morals being pushed to the limits by a man who has no limits, that's what makes the film.

    Nolan as a director has always made films more for 'The adult table' while most filmmakers stick to the 'kids table', because at the kids table is generally lighter, flashier, and deals with things simplified and is a lot of fun. The kids table is a blast and really quite fun, but the adult table gets more in depth about stories, characters and motivations and talks about exciting situations rather than showing them to you.

    Not to say he doesn't include elements from the kids tables in his films, but really that's something in Nolans films I've always appreciated, his Batman films especially.

    He treats his audience as adults and doesn't show off flashy and absurd action scenes, and keeps things moderately grounded. His characters all have something to say and are rarely wasted, and the important thing is that everyone has something a purpose in the story, rather than just screen time.

    The Dark Knight is a film that's about build up, that's one of the reasons lots of people didn't really like it...Now granted not everyone has the same tastes in entertainment, but the fact that the film succeeded in the way it did was very much due to Nolans abilities as a story teller, his brothers abilities as a writer, and the fact that they've taken these larger than life characters and minimalized them so they're more like real people, but still are the comic characters at their core.

    I've always felt that there are many reasons the dark knight succeeded outside of the death of Heath Ledger.
    They had amazing viral marketing, they had amazing actors(other than Ledger) but really the key thing that made the film what it was, were the Nolans and their take on the Batman universe.

    It took the Nolans 1 Batman film to figure out the comics universe, characters, motivations, and mythos. None of the previous films ever did that I felt. They all had Batman as 'Gothams protector' who beat up(and killed) criminals because his parents were murdered. But there was never anything beyond the character, or the villains.

    The Burton Joker, why did he kill people and try to destroy the city? Because he was crazy and just wanted too. Why does the Nolan Joker kill people and try to destroy the city? Because the character has an overwhelming sense of anarchy that he wants to spread through out the place and turn everyone on each other for his own sick amusement..and Hes crazy.

    The Schumacher Two Face, why does he go around killing people and try to destroy the city? Because hes crazy, nothing more.
    Nolans Two face isn't out to destroy the city, though at the end of the film he no longer cares about Gotham, hes goes on a killing spree to in an anarchic attempt to make things 'fair'. Thats the character at his core and thats what made his last scene so gut wrenching, because you know if the coin lands bad heads up, he'll pull the trigger instantly.

    These are just a few reasons why the Dark Knight succeeded the way it did regardless of Heaths death. The film isnt going to please everyone and while thats unfortunate, there's always someone who will hate something because 'its not the right color', etc.

    I'll end my rant nao.
    Last edited by Wrathborne; 11-23-2011, 03:32 AM.

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    • #17
      I wouldn't have bothered. He'll only piss and moan and reply with "IT'S TIME OPINION I'M ENTITLED TO IT!11!1!" or something similarly boring.

      I don't give a rats about Bane's costume. I was suspicious of Nolan's take on the Joker at first as it was unlike anything i'd seen like that before - and he delivered big time on that. If people were expecting the humongous Bane of the comics, titan an' all in Nolan's universe then they only have themselves to blame if they built up their hopes too much.

      Also - TDK is an incredible film. Great actors, a fantastic script, beautiful cinematography and a plot without one single wasted scene. If you find yourself skipping scenes, you don't deserve to live.

      Wouldn't take Scream's point seriously either. He doesn't "get" superhero movies.

      re: Leger winning an Oscar. There was enough talk BEFORE his death about him being in with a shout of an Oscar, so it nullifies any notion that him dying elevates this film higher than it warranted.

      As for the credibility afford to a film by winning an Oscar - obviously it's not to be taken as "the gospel". But it's fair to say, a group of men and woman who've lived and breathed the movie industry have a better idea of what constitutes a great performance than some illiterate kid on a message board who throws a hissy fit when someone questions him.

      Ta daaaaaa!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Stu View Post
        Wouldn't take Scream's point seriously either. He doesn't "get" superhero movies.
        I'm very happy you remembered.. honestly couldn't give a damn about Batman He's marginally better than the rest so I'll give it a watch come July.

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        • #19
          I liked The Dark Knight, but I agree that it can be a bit of a drag at times (not because stuff isn't happening or because it isn't interesting, but because it's just a damn long movie with a lot of stuff happening in it - something you just don't always have time for.)

          Looking forward to this one. Nolan's pretty much a label of quality. One way or another.

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          • #20
            Also, for the record. The voting panel for the Academy Awards is made up of 5,835 people.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Carnivol View Post
              I liked The Dark Knight, but I agree that it can be a bit of a drag at times (not because stuff isn't happening or because it isn't interesting, but because it's just a damn long movie with a lot of stuff happening in it - something you just don't always have time for.)

              Looking forward to this one. Nolan's pretty much a label of quality. One way or another.
              I agree with ya, really the trip to China wasn't really needed. it was a nice segment of the film, but I dont think it was crucial to actually show...though it did have nice special effects.

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              • #22
                Really? I thought the trip to China was incredibly necessary or else how would they have got their man? Lau (was this his name?) was key to the film.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Stu View Post
                  Really? I thought the trip to China was incredibly necessary or else how would they have got their man? Lau (was this his name?) was key to the film.
                  Actually I meant that they didn't quite need to show him capturing Lau, it could have just been as effective to have Lau pop up in the Gotham Police departments doorsteps mysteriously.

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                  • #24
                    Then the film would be criticised for cutting the corner.

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                    • #25
                      The films gonna get criticized regardless. every film does.Yeild to my superior generic response!

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                      • #26
                        Dark Knight rises clashes with Muppets movie?

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                        • #27
                          Bring back Ra's al Ghul. Best Batman villain by far.
                          See you in hell.

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                          • #28
                            Needs mo'ar Riddler...I..oh, wait...no. No more Riddler... seeing Jim Carrey in tights wasn't fun.

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                            • #29
                              when i bought the blu-ray release, i was actually disappointed because i swore they altered the burning money scene compared to when it was shown in theaters.
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