Prometheus

[Dracarys]

What FOX considers canon or not doesn't matter, and the public doesn't care. Ultimately it's what people like Scott or Cameron say that matters.

It really isn't, and you'll find many of the public do care about the expanded universe.

[Rick Hunter]

Of course, just like the Star Wars expanded universe half destroyed by the 3 last movies? Anyway, if you consider canon something made out of financial interest by random people/companies, up to you.

I'll stick with Scott and Cameron.

[Dracarys]

Why Scott and Cameron? If the creator is meant to be the one with the say then Cameron means dick all.

Pretty clearly a few people got a case of "I liked this movie, so that director gets to say what is canon".

[Wrathborne]

Well, if you want to consider AVP and AVP2 cannon, feel free. They didnt really add to the universe anymore than the Alien skull in the predator ship in Predator 2. As for the Pred-Alien queen, it being able to lay multiple eggs and stuff into women in a hospital didnt make it much of anything in the end.

While I get that you're trying to say that others can add to the cannon...just no.

[Rick Hunter]

Why Scott and Cameron? If the creator is meant to be the one with the say then Cameron means dick all.

Because they, with the writters, ARE the creators. FOX is just the wallet.

Anyway, after reading things here and there, it seems it is indeed a direct prequel, so what I thought about previously might be wrong. I still wonder why the planet is LV-223 and not LV-426.

[Dracarys]

Well, if you want to consider AVP and AVP2 cannon, feel free. They didnt really add to the universe anymore than the Alien skull in the predator ship in Predator 2. As for the Pred-Alien queen, it being able to lay multiple eggs and stuff into women in a hospital didnt make it much of anything in the end.

While I get that you're trying to say that others can add to the cannon...just no.

I really hate both those films, is the expanded universe (mostly the books) I am a fan of.

Because they, with the writters, ARE the creators. FOX is just the wallet.

Sorry but no, if Cameron who only added to the universe after Sctott's movie can count as an original creator then every writer of every movie would count also, including Anderson. There is no difference except when their respective movies released.

As I said before this is people just siding with the movies they like, no consistant argument behind it.

[Wrathborne]

Um...If you're a fan of the expanded universe from the books, then why are you debating who the original creator of the films is?

You sound more like you're defending everyone after Alien and Aliens, than anything. Kind of confused here.

[TheBatMan]

I actually think Scott's desire to take this away from the Alien itself and create something new within the same universe could be this movie's biggest failure. I get people don't want a straight-up prequel and want to see something different. But if it is too different and too vague from Alien then there is going to be a lot of disappointed people out there.

As for expanded universe, Steve Perry's original trilogy was pretty good, the rest are are a mixture of average and bad and I've read them all. Some cool ideas throughout but also some extremely bizarre ones.

[Code_R]

If the Alien itself appears I will be annoyed. The original creature has become so over exposed to be the point of being complete trash now.

[Wrathborne]

I doubt we'll see anything but a face hugger or an egg.

[Dark_Chris]

They already showed us Alien (more or less) in Prometheus trailer

[Rick Hunter]

It's just a wall decoration though.

[Dracarys]

Um...If you're a fan of the expanded universe from the books, then why are you debating who the original creator of the films is?

You sound more like you're defending everyone after Alien and Aliens, than anything. Kind of confused here.

Well, I am defending everyone in a way since to accept expanded universe you need accept it all, good and bad, cannot pick and choose like some people are doing. Doesn't work like that.

Like the Star Wars expanded universe, some really great stuff there, some epic shite also. But you gotta accept it all or none.

[Wrathborne]

Well, I am defending everyone in a way since to accept expanded universe you need accept it all, good and bad, cannot pick and choose like some people are doing. Doesn't work like that.

Actually, it does work like that. Its perspective, Not everyone sees something the same way.

Star wars is a perfect example of this, lots of fans say that eps1, 2, and 3 'never happened' due to how off, awful, and bland they were in contrast to the first 3 films.

They're right to say this, just like on the flip side there are people who liked the films and accept them for what they are in the series(cant really see many in this section, but still).

In Star Wars there is no 'right or wrong' in a lot of ways because its all come from the same source for the most part. Everything that happens is part of the story and does add to the first trilogy, even if it may be 'meh'.

In the Aliens franchise...its different due to how many people added to the franchise and that there was no 'one source'.
There was no 6 film plotline, or characters written out for these films.

It was 6 different directors and many different writers who all kind of added in a scattered though process and unfortunately the first 2 films were the only films that had people who could read scripts and knew what did and didn't work. Walter Hill and James Cameron get credit for this.

The remaining 4 films(A3,A4,and the 2 craptastic AvP films) were streamlined through fox without much care or concern over what they were doing, so long as they were doing it. Alien Resurrection and the AvP films prove this, Alien 3 was a studio invaded mess on what could have been a better film than it was...but thats as much credit as I'll give it as it was so messy.

Scott ultimately is responsible for creating the universe as a film, Cameron for expanding it as a franchise, but after that everything went to hell because of Fox taking over everything and ruining whatever chances individual films had for being their own stories...Minus AvP series as these were pretty much exploitation films that were about a serious as a dog trying to crap on a paraplegic clown.

Its all a matter of perspective where right and wrong do, and dont exist...but the real problem comes down to who is in charge of the franchise. Because ultimately they're the one who is wrong when a good series, becomes crap.

Their choices, their rules, their fault. When they stop caring about quality, you get an expanded 'sub universe' that no one really likes, is happy with, or wants to see more than once.

[Dracarys]

Actually, it does work like that. Its perspective, Not everyone sees something the same way.

Star wars is a perfect example of this, lots of fans say that eps1, 2, and 3 'never happened' due to how off, awful, and bland they were in contrast to the first 3 films.

That is picking and choosing, and that isn't even expanded universe, the prequel movies are all main star wars universe.

In Star Wars there is no 'right or wrong' in a lot of ways because its all come from the same source for the most part. Everything that happens is part of the story and does add to the first trilogy, even if it may be 'meh'.

In the Aliens franchise...its different due to how many people added to the franchise and that there was no 'one source'.
There was no 6 film plotline, or characters written out for these films.

This is exactly what the Star Wars expanded universe is like, wrote by lots of different people who all add their own stuff to the universe. Lucas just gives it a thumbs up much like Fox does to various Aliens writers/directors. With that thumb comes story/universe expansion approval.