Resident Evil 4 : 3 different looking Ashleys

[Mrox2]

There's nothing to explain about that image. They reused that girl's clothing style for Ashley very early into the development of the new version, probably because of when the game is set (Autumn). Spencer was never meant to appear in any version of BH4 apart from the one that became Devil May Cry. There's no reason a cult leader can't wear those clothes.

I don't mean to sound snooty, but I am 100% right because my information comes from the BH4 development team themselves.

It's the same clothes for both, the one on the render uses the same face but an early body model.
The face compared to Early RE4 Final and Final RE4 Ashley is very different ; shape , height , eye color , hair , clothes , the whole face ...
The model is crappy, though it has full bones even hair bones but it makes the game crash indicating it came from another BH4 Ver.

[News Bot]

It's the same clothes for both, the one on the render uses the same face but an early body model.
The face compared to Early RE4 Final and Final RE4 Ashley is very different ; shape , height , eye color , hair , clothes , the whole face ...
The model is crappy, though it has full bones even hair bones but it makes the game crash indicating it came from another BH4 Ver.

It's the same clothing style. The old BH4 render you've used as an example is incomplete. Have a look at Leon's face in his epilogue picture. They're placeholders. The girl in the epilogue screen and the beta Ashley barely even look alike apart from the clothes.

The face is pretty obviously incomplete because the render extracted from the trial disk is an early version of Ashley. The girl in the Castle version of BH4 was complete at the time she was made. If it was true that they just lifted one onto the other, then her face wouldn't be completely wrecked.

Making the game crash doesn't indicate anything. If you try and use Ada's cutscene dress model in gameplay on the GC version it will crash. That's not how programming works.

[Kegluneq]

Spencer was never meant to appear in any version of BH4 apart from the one that became Devil May Cry. There's no reason a cult leader can't wear those clothes.

Care to clarify on this one? It's the first time I heard this. Kawamura said that in BioHazard 4 Hookman, Leon was going to infiltrate Spencer's castle. I can't see the purpose of including his castle in the game (and yet another allusion to Devil May Cry's narrative) if he wasn't going to be present at all. Furthermore, Sugimura wrote a draft for Haunting Ground' scenario, and the character of Lorenzo shares quite a few resemblances with Lord Spencer's. Given that some content from Haunting Grounds seems to have been recycled from BioHazard 4 Hookman, it's quite possible that this was yet another thing that was to be in BioHazard 4 Hookman (Lord Spencer's story).

[News Bot]

Care to clarify on this one? It's the first time I heard this. Kawamura said that in BioHazard 4 Hookman, Leon was going to infiltrate Spencer's castle. I can't see the purpose of including his castle in the game (and yet another allusion to Devil May Cry's narrative) if he wasn't going to be present at all. Furthermore, Sugimura wrote a draft for Haunting Ground' scenario, and the character of Lorenzo shares quite a few resemblances with Lord Spencer's. Given that some content from Haunting Grounds seems to have been recycled from BioHazard 4 Hookman, it's quite possible that this was yet another thing that was to be in BioHazard 4 Hookman (Lord Spencer's story).

He infiltrates Spencer's castle, but Spencer isn't there. That's all I can say on the matter. The only scenario in which Spencer physically appears (aside from BH5) is the Devil May Cry version.

[Borman]

100% is a bit strong, no? As close as humanly possible sure, but Ive had mixed messages from developers in the past too.

[Kegluneq]

He infiltrates Spencer's castle, but Spencer isn't there. That's all I can say on the matter. The only scenario in which Spencer physically appears (aside from BH5) is the Devil May Cry version.

You need to a bit more specific, even if that means being ambiguous. Because your statement is utterly irrelevant if the game was at a 40% stage development and the scenario up until that point was not completely written. Did they have a "final" antagonist in place? No need for names or designs, but a "yes" or "no" is necessary, otherwise Lord Spencer could have been a (legit) choice in the latter stages of production (had it not been scrapped).

[News Bot]

You need to a bit more specific, even if that means being ambiguous. Because your statement is utterly irrelevant if the game was at a 40% stage development and the scenario up until that point was not completely written. Did they have a "final" antagonist in place? No need for names or designs, but a "yes" or "no" is necessary, otherwise Lord Spencer could have been a (legit) choice in the latter stages of production (had it not been scrapped).

The scenario was completely written. There was no "final" antagonist, if you're talking about some human villain. Spencer wasn't the only one involved in the scenario who didn't actually appear.

[ParasiteAdam]

I think the first version would have looked better

[yurieu]

I think the first version would have looked better

well, this is sad. i must say im still frustrated by this, cuz, the screenshots of that version showed more than just a game, and it would be the "cradle" of the RE, an evolution of the Remake and zero.

[News Bot]

I think the first version would have looked better

It also had a better plot.

[Kegluneq]

The scenario was completely written. There was no "final" antagonist, if you're talking about some human villain. Spencer wasn't the only one involved in the scenario who didn't actually appear.

That is unfortunate to know. So the rumors about BH4 Hookman being the conclusion to the series are, in fact, incorrect. I thought they scrapped Lord Spencer's character from BH4 Devil May Cry in favor of a re-created version in BH4 Hookman, that maintained the good qualities and corrected whatever they deemed to be off. Such a shame to find out that none of that was present, and Lord Spencer's conceptual idea for BH4 Devil May Cry turned out to be the best idea of them all.

By the way, News Bot, which version of BH4 are you referring to as having the better plot? Devil May Cry or Fog?

[News Bot]

Sugimura probably didn't want to bother with Spencer again after already "using" him. In the Devil May Cry version he was central to the plot and had a direct relationship to the (three different) main characters which made his appearance a necessity. In the Castle version he had no direct relationship, and a bigger focus was put on Leon's attempts to survive being infected with a virus (which wasn't Progenitor).

Both Devil May Cry and Castle have pretty good plots. However, I was talking about the Castle version. It tied the series together much better than anything we've ever gotten since.

[Kegluneq]

Sugimura probably didn't want to bother with Spencer again after already "using" him. In the Devil May Cry version he was central to the plot and had a direct relationship to the (three different) main characters which made his appearance a necessity. In the Castle version he had no direct relationship, and a bigger focus was put on Leon's attempts to survive being infected with a virus (which wasn't Progenitor).

Both Devil May Cry and Castle have pretty good plots. However, I was talking about the Castle version. It tied the series together much better than anything we've ever gotten since.

The three main characters that you speak of, are Tony (Dante), Paul (Vergil) and the female character (Trish), right? After reading about it at Project Umbrella, the idea I understood from it was that Tony and Paul were fighting to become the successors of Lord Spencer, as heads of the company, and they were infused (?) with the G-virus at birth (something I have not yet figured out, because a G-human should have reproductive capability, which should make the bio-genetic process unnecessary). But I don't recall reading anything about the female character.

I'm intrigued about the Castle, though. Do you guys have any plan to ever make info about it available? It seems to have an interesting storyline and narrative, but there is so little information that its difficult to formulate an opinion about it.

[News Bot]

When I say main characters I technically only mean one. They changed the lead character three times, all of them Spencer's son.

Dante and Vergil were regular human twins. Spencer injected them with Progenitor as adults. Kamiya was mistaken when he said the G-Virus was the source of the main character's powers. It was just used for the enemies in the game since it was a sequel to BH2.

Personally I'd love to make absolutely every little bit of information we're sitting on fully, publicly available. However, there's a lot of factors that prevent us from doing so, at least at this moment in time. I can't say we're planning on releasing it because right now we aren't, I can only say that I really want to.

[Kegluneq]

When I say main characters I technically only mean one. They changed the lead character three times, all of them Spencer's son.

Dante and Vergil were regular human twins. Spencer injected them with Progenitor as adults. Kamiya was mistaken when he said the G-Virus was the source of the main character's powers. It was just used for the enemies in the game since it was a sequel to BH2.

Personally I'd love to make absolutely every little bit of information we're sitting on fully, publicly available. However, there's a lot of factors that prevent us from doing so, at least at this moment in time. I can't say we're planning on releasing it because right now we aren't, I can only say that I really want to.

I did not know that the main character had gone through so many changes. I thought he was always known as Tony Redgraves. But were the changes limited to his design or did the character suffer some significant changes to (in term of attitude, past story, narrative, etc.)?

I thought the G-virus was the source of the powers. Kamiya didn't know why Lord Spencer had a red eye, but I figured that had something to do with the G-virus. That was the first visible change when Birkin injected himself with the G-virus in BH2. But if the Progenitor was being used instead, what was Spencer transformed then? And was there a G-human in the game, at all?

Time will tell if we ever get to learn more about the Castle, or not. In the meantime, I'm glad there's someone informing us with little bits of info. It's always worth it, even if it leaves us a little bit impatient. =)