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  • #46
    I think Lanzagranadas might be on to something here.

    The following map shows the locations of what I believe to be several major Raccoon landmarks. If Birkin's lab is connected to the P-12A facility, it must be in the vicinity of where I placed it. Similarly, if the Umbrella HQ from "End of the Road" is also connected to the lab via elevator, it must also be nearby. We know that the vacant factory and Birkin's lab are connected, as is the factory to the Arklay treatment plant seen in 0.

    This would make the tram ride from the sewers near the RPD quite a long one, but nothing else makes sense.

    The hospital's sewers also connect to Birkin's lab, as noted in an Outbreak file. "Five minutes" is tough to gauge; was the mode of transport a boat? If so, the distance above could be possible. Furthermore, if we assume that the Outbreak cast traveled from the hospital directly to Birkin's lab using the sewers, it would place them in the emergency escape tunnel (presumably the same one Leon, Claire, and Sherry used several days later to escape). This is shown with the red line heading northeast. When Leon and friends escaped from the tunnel, the sun was shining opposite the tunnel and it was morning, implying they emerged facing roughly east.

    I'm guessing that the "chemical plant" that Sherry mentions is the P-12A facility. For all she knew, mommy and daddy Birkin just walked in the chemical plant every day, unaware that they actually worked in a top-secret lab underground.

    Finally, the blue line heading directly east from the vacant factory leads to the management training facility (more specifically Marcus's lab beneath the church). Where exactly that is located is beyond me.

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    • #47
      P-12A was an abandoned factory. The chemical plant was fully operational and employed 30% of the city.

      "5 minutes" isn't the actual time. It's a figure of speech.

      The laboratory from Outbreak File 2 is in the vicinity of the area that includes J's Bar and the Apple Inn.
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      • #48
        You all make very good points, but with the lab being under or right near Raccoon City, I still can't ignore the labs self-destruct. It being anywhere near the Dead Factory would have left a huge gaping crater for Jill in RE3.

        As for sources from the Outbreak games, I don't know about you guys, but I don't consider the Outbreaks to be a part of the main canon (as much as I love the mini-stories). For me the Outbreaks are in their own parallel universe of sorts. One glaring thing about the Outbreak games right off the bat for me was the military involvement from the get go and the blockades placed around the city, which would have made it impossible for Leon and Claire to just 'drive' into the city as they do in RE2.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Vixtro View Post
          As for sources from the Outbreak games, I don't know about you guys, but I don't consider the Outbreaks to be a part of the main canon (as much as I love the mini-stories). For me the Outbreaks are in their own parallel universe of sorts. One glaring thing about the Outbreak games right off the bat for me was the military involvement from the get go and the blockades placed around the city, which would have made it impossible for Leon and Claire to just 'drive' into the city as they do in RE2.
          That happens anyway. Regardless of the Outbreak games.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by Vixtro View Post
            As for sources from the Outbreak games, I don't know about you guys, but I don't consider the Outbreaks to be a part of the main canon (as much as I love the mini-stories). For me the Outbreaks are in their own parallel universe of sorts. One glaring thing about the Outbreak games right off the bat for me was the military involvement from the get go and the blockades placed around the city, which would have made it impossible for Leon and Claire to just 'drive' into the city as they do in RE2.
            The Outbreaks are fully canon, minus the multi-missile aspect caused by miscommunication within CAPCOM. The military presence was introduced in BH3. As for Leon and Claire being able to get in, the writer of BH3 explained that. http://projectumbrella.net/articles/...oject-Umbrella

            Q10) Did you have an explanation for how Leon & Claire were able to enter Raccoon City despite the military blockade?

            Leon and Claire were fortunate (or perhaps unfortunate) in that they were able to slip by the blockade when the military forces quarantining Raccoon City retreated after facing an attack from the zombies.

            Raccoon City is located in an isolated area in the mid-west, and is surrounded by stretches of wasteland with nary a building in sight. Since the majority of the citizens had been confirmed dead, the military decided to quickly back off to prevent any unnecessary casualties.
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            • #51
              Originally posted by Det. Beauregard View Post
              I think Lanzagranadas might be on to something here.

              The following map shows the locations of what I believe to be several major Raccoon landmarks. If Birkin's lab is connected to the P-12A facility, it must be in the vicinity of where I placed it. Similarly, if the Umbrella HQ from "End of the Road" is also connected to the lab via elevator, it must also be nearby. We know that the vacant factory and Birkin's lab are connected, as is the factory to the Arklay treatment plant seen in 0.

              This would make the tram ride from the sewers near the RPD quite a long one, but nothing else makes sense.

              The hospital's sewers also connect to Birkin's lab, as noted in an Outbreak file. "Five minutes" is tough to gauge; was the mode of transport a boat? If so, the distance above could be possible. Furthermore, if we assume that the Outbreak cast traveled from the hospital directly to Birkin's lab using the sewers, it would place them in the emergency escape tunnel (presumably the same one Leon, Claire, and Sherry used several days later to escape). This is shown with the red line heading northeast. When Leon and friends escaped from the tunnel, the sun was shining opposite the tunnel and it was morning, implying they emerged facing roughly east.

              I'm guessing that the "chemical plant" that Sherry mentions is the P-12A facility. For all she knew, mommy and daddy Birkin just walked in the chemical plant every day, unaware that they actually worked in a top-secret lab underground.

              Finally, the blue line heading directly east from the vacant factory leads to the management training facility (more specifically Marcus's lab beneath the church). Where exactly that is located is beyond me.

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              Your lab placement seems to be right too, we agree that Birkin´s lab must be around that location, and it´s logical, the best place to hide a tree is a forest, and the best place to hide an Umbrella facility is between another Umbrella facilities XD.

              About the tram from RPD to vacant factory in RE2, I think the sewers are just a generic location, I mean, the sewers go trough the entire city, but we only travel a very small portion. Because PSX limitations, it was not possible to travel around kilometers of sewers, so I think RE2 sewer distance isn´t literally what I see on this game.

              The ¨five minutes¨ distance is just estimated, we never know if it´s real, but it´s reasonable if researchers from Hospital were meant to go to the lab on foot.
              Unfortunately Outbreak saga has many missing scenarios, so there is a lack of chapter connections, but I suppose that survivors arrive from the sewers to the underground train station.

              I find one detail: you say that Arklay facility is at the east of Raccoon, but it must be in the northwest, because you reach the east forest trough Stone Ville Line, the Arklay line leads to the north-west.

              About Umbrella HQ´s location, it was on main street, not too far from Jack´s Bar as News Bot says, so it must be probably somewhere in Uptown (maybe near the Umbrella sales office from RE3?), anyway, this building was made only for RE Outbreak with no mention in main series, so I don´t think Capcom cares about it´s whereabouts.
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              • #52
                Originally posted by Lanzagranadas View Post
                I don´t think Capcom cares about it´s whereabouts.
                Or geography in general.
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                • #53
                  this building was made only for RE Outbreak with no mention in main series, so I don´t think Capcom cares about it´s whereabouts.
                  It doesn't have to be mentioned in the main series.
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                  • #54
                    But, in any case, the Outbreak saga has an altern Raccoon map. I had take a look to the "Outbreak" and "End of the Road" maps and there is no way to fit them in the official city map, it`s just impossible.
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                    • #55
                      The in-game maps are not meant to "fit" into the bigger map because the latter is just a very basic outline. It is not as in-depth as the maps in the games. Technically there's no real way of knowing whether they'd fit or not. That doesn't mean they follow some alternative map.
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                      • #56
                        I mean the city area maps, not buildings or facilities, RE2 and RE3 city maps fits perfectly into the bigger one, so anyone can track Jill, Leon and Claire´s paths without problem, while RE Outbreak F1 and F2 doesn´t fit.
                        There is a big discrepancy around Jack´s Bar as example, wich appears as Black Jack Bar in RE3, but as Jack´s bar / J´s Bar in Outbreak. Not only the stage is completely different (wich could be for gameplay purposes) but also its location in the city seems to be different too. I wonder if they are really the same bar, but could Raccoon having 2 Jack´s Bar? Looks too forced to me.
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                        • #57
                          Even the city area maps.

                          J's Bar has absolutely nothing to do with the bar in BH3. They are two different names. "Black Jack Bar" is named after a casino game and "J's Bar" is named after its owner who happens to be named Jack.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                            P-12A was an abandoned factory. The chemical plant was fully operational and employed 30% of the city.

                            The laboratory from Outbreak File 2 is in the vicinity of the area that includes J's Bar and the Apple Inn.
                            Thanks for the info; didn't know that.

                            Regardless, would it still not be possible for Birkin's lab to be somewhat close to the P-12A facility? Disregarding the excellent point about the self-destruct system that Vixtro brought up, I just can't think of another place for it if the two were connected. I originally thought the lab and the train yards were in the northwest of the city, which would make more sense if the Arklay facilities were in the northwest, as well (as Lanzagranadas said). I only thought of the eastern location due to the hospital and the P-12A plant.

                            As for the "J" bars, I never thought they were the same location; they look completely different. Personally, I'd rather go to J's Bar than Black Jack, since at least it has bathrooms. ;D
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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by News Bot View Post
                              Even the city area maps.

                              J's Bar has absolutely nothing to do with the bar in BH3. They are two different names. "Black Jack Bar" is named after a casino game and "J's Bar" is named after its owner who happens to be named Jack.
                              Thanks for clarify me with the Jack´s Bar issue. There is a mistake into the city map then, because the bar appears as Jack´s Bar, but it´s really the Black Jack bar from RE3. I´m curious about the existence of the Jack street too.

                              What I mean with the map from RE2 and RE3 is that his locations match properly with the big Raccoon Map, but the same doesn´t happen with the Outbreaks,
                              Can someone identify the city area from "Outbreak" and "End of the Road" into the big map?:

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                              • #60
                                It could slot in just about anywhere around Raccoon Zoo and below.
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