Resident Evil 2 and 3 mistakes

[Carnivol]

Capcom should've saved Cavia for some lore action. At least those guys picked the old games to pieces before assembling their outlines for how to approach things in the Chronicles games - and some of their original productions have had some of the finest and most well thought through lore in gaming.

[Mr. Spencer]

[Carnivol]

Every thread on the Internet is a NieR thread in disguise.

[AsteroidBlues]

Every thread on the Internet is a NieR thread in disguise.

[RaccoonSurvivor]

Replayed RE0 again and got me thinking .. the Lab in Zero is the same Lab as in RE2 (although obviously modified as it was made after 1997)

OK so, in Zero, Birkin's lab actually belonged to Marcus and Spencer - it fell into disrepair and was abandoned.
If you watch the FMV scenes with Birkin and Wesker, you can even see inside the lift, it has the same console use in RE2 to access the train platform.
(The only error in Zero is that the tram is missing, but since 2 months had passed and it was revamped by Birkin and Umbrella they probs just got a new one)
You can even see the shutter Rebecca enters and fights the Tyrant Proto in (Although in RE2 it is closed, which matches Zero)
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Secondly, Rebecca enters from the south door (the new tram and platform with access to Training Facility in Zero) while
Leon and Claire enter from the north (via the floor below and through the hatch in the save room) They are two different platforms entirely..
As for the distance, in RE2 you were fighting Birkin - who was counting miles/time here..

So, I see it like this.
ZERO - Lab abandoned. Renewed by Umbrella and Birkin. Hunk causes outbreak. Virus leaks.
Outbreak- Remaining scientists panic and cause the lab to freeze. Lift is stuck at level B4. Survivors ride it up to surface. Ready for RE2..
RE2- Leon/Claire ride the lift down..



Nothing in RE can be taken completely as is .. I mean Zero doesn't make that much sence in terms of RE1 anyway, since it was made after.
Rebecca is tough in 0, yet weak in 1.. though this could be put down to lack of sleep haha (she had a nap inbetween according to RE: UC

[TheBatMan]

Replayed RE0 again and got me thinking .. the Lab in Zero is the same Lab as in RE2 (although obviously modified as it was made after 1997)

OK so, in Zero, Birkin's lab actually belonged to Marcus and Spencer - it fell into disrepair and was abandoned.
If you watch the FMV scenes with Birkin and Wesker, you can even see inside the lift, it has the same console use in RE2 to access the train platform.
(The only error in Zero is that the tram is missing, but since 2 months had passed and it was revamped by Birkin and Umbrella they probs just got a new one)
You can even see the shutter Rebecca enters and fights the Tyrant Proto in (Although in RE2 it is closed, which matches Zero)
(
Secondly, Rebecca enters from the south door (the new tram and platform with access to Training Facility in Zero) while
Leon and Claire enter from the north (via the floor below and through the hatch in the save room) They are two different platforms entirely..
As for the distance, in RE2 you were fighting Birkin - who was counting miles/time here..

So, I see it like this.
ZERO - Lab abandoned. Renewed by Umbrella and Birkin. Hunk causes outbreak. Virus leaks.
Outbreak- Remaining scientists panic and cause the lab to freeze. Lift is stuck at level B4. Survivors ride it up to surface. Ready for RE2..
RE2- Leon/Claire ride the lift down..



Nothing in RE can be taken completely as is .. I mean Zero doesn't make that much sence in terms of RE1 anyway, since it was made after.
Rebecca is tough in 0, yet weak in 1.. though this could be put down to lack of sleep haha (she had a nap inbetween according to RE: UC

Birkin's lab wasn't constructed until 1991 and makes it therefore impossible for it to have been used by Marcus and Spencer for their research. This lab has never been abandoned.

[AsteroidBlues]

This is a bit off topic, but it regards RE3 and I didn't want to make a whole new thread about it. I found "Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (Xplosiv)" on Amazon, according to crimson-ceremony it was a European budget reissue from 2006. Apparently it doesn't include the mercenaries minigame and all the costumes are unlocked from the beginning. I don't know, it sounded unique (I had never heard of it) so I thought I'd show you guys.

http://www.amazon.com/RESIDENT-EVIL-3-NEMESIS-Pc/dp/B000E82CO0/

[Guest]

This is an interesting thread, i'v learned a lot of stuff i didn't know.

Keep on.

[yurieu]

Nothing in RE can be taken completely as is .. I mean Zero doesn't make that much sence in terms of RE1 anyway, since it was made after.
Rebecca is tough in 0, yet weak in 1.. though this could be put down to lack of sleep haha (she had a nap inbetween according to RE: UC

i refuse to take UC as part of history.

anyway, i always thought the RE2 rooms in RE0 was a hint about RE2 remake, in that age. but, it didnt happen.

i believe the screen where birkin and wesker watch marcus, billy and rebbeca is the one where you pick the key and a mr. X appears.

its weird because in RE0, the RE2 lab should not be that abandoned.

[News Bot]

Birkin's lab wasn't constructed until 1991 and makes it therefore impossible for it to have been used by Marcus and Spencer for their research. This lab has never been abandoned.

Yet Marcus controlled the turntable prior to 1991... that's why I don't think it's the same lab anymore. Not to mention the fact that the lab in Zero generally looks disused as hell and we're expected to believe Enrico just took a stroll through it, when it was meant to be full of Umbrella personnel, and ended up in the mansion. And also that there was a Tyrant running around and part of the whole facility had even collapsed, and Hunters were also all over the place.

It just makes less and less sense for it to be the same lab.

[RaccoonSurvivor]

Yet Marcus controlled the turntable prior to 1991... that's why I don't think it's the same lab anymore. Not to mention the fact that the lab in Zero generally looks disused as hell and we're expected to believe Enrico just took a stroll through it, when it was meant to be full of Umbrella personnel, and ended up in the mansion. And also that there was a Tyrant running around and part of the whole facility had even collapsed, and Hunters were also all over the place.

It just makes less and less sense for it to be the same lab.

It is disused, just like the Management Facility - its all connected to MARCUS.
Birkin and Wesker killed him and Birkin stole his research on T virus - so he and Umbrella obviously stole the Lab from him aswell..
They also sent teams in to claim the Training Facility too but were overrun by leeches and the virus - spread by the Queen (Marcus lookalike)
Umbrella ordered Marcus's assassination because he became deluded.. locked himself away even after Umbrella officially closed down the place in the 70's.

Like I said - Enrico obviously must have used the train tunnels - OR perhaps after Rebecca left, he used the tram lift to reach the Factory.. who knows?
Use a little imagination and it isn't that much of a stretch.


As for the proto tyrant being released - Marcus/leeches must have done it - I mean, he clearly wants Rebecca and Billy dead.. They are in his way.
Revenge on Umbrella was his agenda afterall - he spreads the virus on the train, mansion and training facility via the leeches.


We're all entitled to our own opinion, and without proper word from Capcom we shall never know, but seriously..
Why would Umbrella have 2 IDENTICAL labs within miles of eachother in Raccoon City? Surely they would look different?
Common sence plays a part in this.. I believe it is the same lab, just older looking as it has not been RESTORED yet (its brand new in RE2)

[News Bot]

They didn't steal the lab from him. The one in Zero is abandoned and is not the same one in BH2 and Outbreak, which was constructed in 1991 (three years after Marcus was killed) primarily for the G-Virus Project, which was also started in 1991.

[RaccoonSurvivor]

They didn't steal the lab from him. The one in Zero is abandoned and is not the same one in BH2 and Outbreak, which was constructed in 1991 (three years after Marcus was killed) primarily for the G-Virus Project, which was also started in 1991.

"Constucted" could mean anything.
I mean, considering that Umbrella stole his research and covered it up - they would not mention it officially anyway, in files or not.
Surely they would just pretend they build it (when in fact they may have just expanded or renewed it)
The fact the factory above ground and the save room look exactly alike - what a coincidence right? I think not...
The lift Wesker and Enrico use even has the same emergency console as seen in RE2. Even the little control room used by Scenario B characters is identical - just more realistic and older..
Even the key for the lift is the same too .. And if it wasn't the same Lab, Why would they reuse camera angles huh?? For fun? I doubt it very much..

In the process of side by side comparisons and blended shots (layered over and edited) aswell as other things to show it IS the same local.. Has to be.

Would post here but there are a few and are quite large files so they are hyperlinked instead.
Some were easy to blend together, whereas a few were different angles in which case areas are highlighted..
Keep in mind that due to graphic advances from 1997 - 2001, they will be slightly different although key points are the same.
Zero clearly looks more damaged, whereas in RE2, things are repaired/replaced. IMO I think Umbrella claimed the facility (as they state in Zero, why the teams were sent in the first place)
The Management facility blew up and obviously lost.. but the Factory and Lab was not.
Umbrella saw this as an opportunity and promoted Birkin to lead researcher (Replacing Marcuc's role)
Lab was refurnished in 1991 using the Factory and lift to carry supplies undercover.
Makes the most sence really.. Ignoring errors in the fact that Zero was made AFTER RE2..
Once they retconned 0, they could not change RE2 now could they? Remember RE3/RE2 Police Station..

Save Room (shot of hatch entrance from RE2) - http://i49.tinypic.com/xqglj.jpg
Save Room (shot from typewriter and itembox) - http://i47.tinypic.com/34nibo4.jpg
Save Room (shot of lift controls and charts) - http://i46.tinypic.com/2ec29w7.jpg

Generator Room (entrance) - http://i48.tinypic.com/95shvn.jpg
Generator Room (CCTV consoles) - http://i46.tinypic.com/2wp2t0j.jpg

Factory Lift Marshalling Yard - http://i50.tinypic.com/tanas9.jpg
Laboratory Lift (Shutters leading to Zero Tyrant Fight) - http://i50.tinypic.com/15nsu2s.jpg

Laboratory (Security Room entrance and lift) - http://i49.tinypic.com/2e3x1yv.jpg

Backup images/random (Up Key and Lab Levels) - http://i49.tinypic.com/985wkz.jpg

And there ya go. Looks pretty obvious to me - why would Umbrella clone an exact replica, including the key, basement level and surrounding areas, within the same area of the city?
I'm not claiming other people's opinions are wrong, but its how I feel - and looking at these images, there is too much alike that it is a coincidence. Even the amount of hats in the save room is the same..

[News Bot]

Constructed means what it literally means. The place wasn't built until 1991. It didn't exist in any form until then.

It can't be the same place. The timeline doesn't work, the geography doesn't work, the appearance doesn't work, nothing works. You can do the overlays all you want, you'll only see the striking differences. And that's ignoring the fact that, if they are the same place, we are still expected to believe that a Tyrant and several Hunters were running around a fully-staffed facility and not one but two law enforcement officers were able to stroll through with no security or scientists in sight. Also notice that the entire area, factory, laboratory and tram, are full of goddamn Zombies and even more B.O.W.s in Umbrella Chronicles (I know how odd that game is on canonicity, but this little fact really does nothing to help the possibility of them being the same lab).

And look even further, Marcus' laboratory is connected straight to the factory via a tram and BH0 has a door which simply doesn't exist in neither BH2 or Outbreak. It can't work.

[Dark_Chris]

I think it is the same lab. Capcom just doesn't thought or don't care about geography and about BOWs walking around fully operational lab. After all it's just a game. It's fucking stupid but it IS the same lab. It looks completely same aside from that tram doors up on the platform.