BH0/BH2 Laboratories Are Not the Same

[Dracarys]

Elements of the drama albums are canon. In this case Christine Henry and her facility. Whether it's canon or not doesn't even matter; the writer knew what he was doing with both, considering he wrote them at the same time (along with CODE:Veronica, which harkens back to BH1 in the exact same manner... twice).

Good try though. B-

Picking and choosing now, another of you own rules broken just to suit you when you try and claim in invalidates entire arguments previously. It gets better.

For one he was not singling you out.

Oh really, I must have missed his reply to Anders telling him to stop posting if he doesn't show reasoning or that he clearly doesn't know what he is talking about. News Bot doesn't like me posting in threads he makes because I always throw his own arguments against him, so he just targets me instead.


Anyway, not going to turn this into an argument thread, I've shown him twice breaking his own rules, anyone with some intelligence will know that means his argument is twice killed by his own standards and claims. If he continues to maintain two labs based on this 'evidence' then he is effectively stating his entire website is built on the same flakey type of BS. I'm laughing either way.

I'll leave this thread in peace, no need argue it further, plus is 3am almost, g'night.

[News Bot]

Picking and choosing now, another of you own rules broken just to suit you when you try and claim in invalidates entire arguments previously. It gets better.

Pray tell, where did I pick and choose? CAPCOM are pretty firm on it. The same thing is also stated in Archives II. Your attempts are slipping! Flat C.

"Flakey" would be you disregarding countless CAPCOM sources that stated BH5 was set in 2009. Then turning right around and saying Operation Raccoon City is canon because a PR tool named Mike Jones said so, while the developers said no. I assume you haven't admitted to these yet because you're too busy eating crow. I don't mind you posting in any thread provided you have something genuine to say. So far you've spent your time disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing, ignoring everything presented to you in favor of unsupported speculation.

DING DING EDUCATION TIME!

-> The Spencer Estate
Spencer gives the plans of the Spencer Estate to George Trevor to construct the Arklay Laboratory.
As part of Edward's rivalry with Spencer, he acquired the plans for the Arklay Laboratory and used them for the Ashford manor in England.
Alexander, unknowing of this but informed by his father that the Ashford manor plans were from George Trevor, uses the same plans for the Antarctic Laboratory.

That's the same facility design used four times. People don't seem to have an issue with this, until BH0. Then everyone's suddenly against the idea. They like magic elevators better, then accuse the writer of being incompetent. Tragic irony.

More than ever, now's the time to be cautious. Chris has been sniffing around our locations. In particular, watch him carefully to make sure he never comes near the vacant lot of the pharmaceutical factory.

The pharmaceutical factory is located in an industrial area close to the center of Raccoon City. The vacant lot is the rather poorly translated "Vacant Factory" area seen in BH2. The entrance to Birkin's lab. Not far from the police station, actually.

After the other day, I've found signs that the entrance to the secret laboratory was explored.

Marcus is directly talking about the underground laboratory here. In the previous entry, he mentions that Spencer's men have already attempted to search the church for the t-Virus. They didn't find it because that's not where Marcus kept it, though he did experiment with his leeches there. There is no secret lab in the training school or church, but there is one beneath the treatment plant, all of which are connected to one another and are 8 miles outside of Raccoon City. That means they are nowhere near the pharmaceutical factory, and are in turn nowhere near Birkin's laboratory. It is geographically impossible, but for some reason some people can't reconcile this despite the exact same situation happening with a facility in fucking France. If we were to follow the logic of certain people, Raccoon City would be in France because the two different facilities look the same, regardless of geography and other impossibilities.

By the way, every single thing mentioned above was written by the same person. Noboru Sugimura had a thing for referencing past titles. In fact, that is the only reason Claire Redfield exists.

[Zombie_X]

No worries News Bot, some people like to argue and refuse to see it another person's way. In this case everything you stated is absolute truth and that truth was refused.

[News Bot]

I'd like to hear what my "rules" are, personally. They don't exist. It'd also be nice if before people attempt to attack Project Umbrella in a topic completely unrelated to the website, they actually contribute anything themselves. Still waiting on certain people to provide even one thing of value to anyone.

[Zombie_X]

Well I never have issues with anything you post as I know you do your research and everything you post is fact. I think some people get in a mindset and want to believe something. I just don't know.

Oh and it's wrong to even drag Project Umbrella into this as it had nothing to do with the site. Just seems like a lame excuse to strike back at you IMO.

[News Bot]

Not everything I post is fact. I try and keep it as close to that as possible, but I'm still wrong sometimes. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong here, but that doesn't seem to be going too well judging by the only counter-argument so far.

[Lead belly]

Idk.. I would have to know the exact wording in every instance where it is mentioned that they are "both the same" lab. Perhaps when Capcom, or any RE lore says they are the "same" lab, they may just mean the "same" structure, or "same" overall connected lab, or "same" in the sense that the newer labs in raccoon city are an extension of the older labs in ZERO. Which, I guess might make someone ask which section of this "overall lab" does Capcom consider the Main area.

The Reclamation Project may make sense if the old and new areas were somehow connected through, lets say, idk some fucking impromptu tunnel (lol) that we just don't know about (perhaps boarded up and shit after they gave up trying to "reclaim" the place). This is assuming of course that we don't know from which point they tried to reclaim it from (do we?). As far as I know, there aren't any specifics given as to how the Reclamation Project operation actually was executed, or from which starting point(s), except that the lead team and special forces team were both wiped out by BOW's and leeches, respectively. Perhaps this occurrence is a point of interest Capcom might explore in a future title.

[Darkness]

its just capcom's lazy ass unable to make a different looking lab.

[Lanzagranadas]

As SonicBlue posted above, some areas from the vacant factory were done almost exactly, specifically the save room and the underground factory corridor. We don´t know for sure which was the original intention from RE0 about this issue, but, it makes much more sense to think RE0 and RE2 labs as different facilities.

RE0 training school, church, treatment plant and lab were connected via elevator and via cable car, so everything make them look as a single huge facility. Speaking about Geography, RE2 lab was meant to be located somewhere in the outskirts or near the outskirts of Raccoon, as Sherry states in a cutscene from RE2, while Marcus facility is located somewhere in the middle of the Arklay forest, not close from Arklay mansion but still in the forest and far from the town.

Another thing is that it would be really weird that Birkin would decide to activate the selfdestruct system and destroy the lab if it was his own lab.

And we have Enrico of course, who arrived the lab and got some clue about the BOW research/development in the Arklay mansion, but didn´t find any data of current research on that lab he was, so that means it was a dead lab so he and Rebecca didn´t need to investigate anything there.

[News Bot]

Idk.. I would have to know the exact wording in every instance where it is mentioned that they are "both the same" lab.

It's never mentioned they're the same, which makes it doubly stupid for people to consider them as such despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

its just capcom's lazy ass unable to make a different looking lab.

No, it really isn't. Please read before posting.

[warren]

oh look another not-so-stealth brag thread by news bot! at least this time isn't about re 1.5

[News Bot]

oh look another not-so-stealth brag thread by news bot! at least this time isn't about re 1.5

I'm afraid I don't brag.

[RaccoonSurvivor]

Blah blah blah. Singling me out again, get a life because that beyond pathetic.

Bad writing- Series full of, no exception here.
Hark back at older games - Pretty much every RE game does this in at least one blatant way.
Required gameplay mechanic - The lift to backtrack for any items, since no item box.

Just for you, I'm pretty sure the RE community is smart enough to know exactly what I meant.

This , it SO has to be the same - the reason it's ''different'' is that Capcom musta used a different team (who made zero)
obviously RE2's backdrops can not be changed, so mistakes obviously appeared.
It's just like how RE3 contradicts with RE2 in the Police Station, or how the hospital in RE3 differs from Outbreak - different teams, different takes on same local.

Makes no sense, but neither did a lot of stuff Capcom did (RE2 sewer plant with Sherry/Ada should be where City Hall is in RE3)
Its that simple - people are looking too much into the info that all contradicts inself with every game that's made. (Like how RE: UC contradicts RE0,1,3 etc)

Not to mention in BOTH RE2 and Zero - we don't know how far the tram moves (and in Zero it's a different station and level from RE2's platform)

RE0 is half a level (with steps up) and leads to the 1F of factory with the big lift and warehouse level.
However, the tram platform in RE2 is a floor below B1? .. which leads through the save room.

Since we don't know the distance for these TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TRACKS/ROUTES - it makes more sense than anything else .. the RE2 sewers and the Zero training facility to be in different places.

Obviously the stupid elevator leading to the facility IS ONLY for backtracking - stupid design flaw by the team.
If zero had item boxes, I doubt this elevator would have existed at all ..

[News Bot]

This , it SO has to be the same - the reason it's ''different'' is that Capcom musta used a different team (who made zero)
obviously RE2's backdrops can not be changed, so mistakes obviously appeared.
It's just like how RE3 contradicts with RE2 in the Police Station, or how the hospital in RE3 differs from Outbreak - different teams, different takes on same local.

Makes no sense, but neither did a lot of stuff Capcom did (RE2 sewer plant with Sherry/Ada should be where City Hall is in RE3)
Its that simple - people are looking too much into the info that all contradicts inself with every game that's made. (Like how RE: UC contradicts RE0,1,3 etc)

The team who made BH0 are the same as the ones who made every other game. Bullshit excuse.

City Hall is on the side of the R.P.D., while the treatment plant is behind it. The hospital is the same between 3 and Outbreak, the only difference is that Outbreak shows more of it that you don't explore in 3.

UC doesn't contradict 0, 1 or 3. Those are retellings, they aren't meant to be taken literally.

Some people really don't read.

Not to mention in BOTH RE2 and Zero - we don't know how far the tram moves (and in Zero it's a different station and level from RE2's platform)

Bullshit excuse again. It would not spread 8 miles, it's an abandoned facility built decades before. Suddenly they had the foresight to build a cable car to connect it to a facility constructed much later? The pharmaceutical factory didn't even exist at the time the cable car would've been placed there. We already know the lab in BH2 is right beneath Raccoon City. We already know the one in BH0 is 8 miles away outside of the city in the mountains. The elevator is not a design flaw. There is absolutely no evidence to suggest this besides complete speculation. We know the T-001 was being disposed of in the treatment plant, and it makes its way into the lab via the upper floor... and we know the treatment plant is right above the lab. And we know the treatment plant explodes because we see it happen at the end of the game. That would mean the lab also exploded, or was atleast collapsed on (which it already partially is even without an explosion).

We know without a doubt that the treatment plant and training facility are connected to one another, they both have the same self-destruct system. And we know that the only way to actually get into the treatment plant is via the underground lab, which means the underground lab would also be affected by the self-destruct system. We also have this:



Why would Birkin save research data from a facility that is supposedly his own before activating a self-destruct system and escaping... from his own lab? Notice how it also says the mansion is from BH1 but doesn't say anything about the lab being from BH2? On top of that:




Notice the mountains?

Sometimes I wonder if people actually think before posting. It doesn't make any single bit of sense for the two labs to be the same one. It makes a lot of sense for them to be separate. We have examples of the same thing happening throughout the series and nobody has an issue with them. Yet people have a lot of trouble reconciling this example, even though it's very, very simple. I don't understand, and the fact that nobody is providing anything but ham-fisted excuses and insults rather than actual reasoning isn't helping.

[Zombie_X]

I know it's not the same lab at all. It was disused and left there to rot. Look at the condition of the lift area. If this was the same lab in RE2, it would be spotless. There's no way the lab in RE2 would look run down, especially is a large chunk of the Raccoon populous worked there. Keeping a sterile and clean environment is essential to work pertaining to viruses, bacteria, and other contaminants.

Look at the training facility in Zero, it was run down to beat all hell. It was just sitting there unused for a long while, the same could be said of the mansion in remake. The outbreak occurred two months prior to the mansion incident, so in two months it went to shit.