Nikolai Survived Raccoon

[News Bot]

I can pretty much definitively say that Nikolai Zinoviev did in-fact escape Raccoon City and went on to provide Umbrella with a vast amount of combat data than incidentally created some of the enemies in CODE:Veronica.

The confirmation is actually in the Gun Survivor file many took as confirmation of his death (or toward "unknown"). The file itself appears very self-explanatory at first glance. Nikolai pens the first two entries and the third is written by an "Umbrella B.O.W. Development Team." But this actually isn't true, as the team mention is actually an "addressed to." The line that gives it away is:

研究者諸君においては今回の実戦データを分析することで、更なる進化した究極のB.O.W.を開発されるこ とを切に願う。

"諸君" (shokun) is the star here.

This word is used for calling multiple males who are below the speaker in rank. Also used in the beginning of the play as 'Ladies and Gentlemen!'

you, My friends, Ladies and Gentlemen (Do not use 諸君 to your senior.)

In this context (the researchers are being directly addressed), it simply translates to "you." In this case, "you researchers."

Now if we translate it accurately;

With respect to you researchers, I sincerely hope that further evolved, ultimate B.O.W.s will be developed by analyzing this combat data.

In other words, the localization got it right, albeit completely by mistake:

I expect the researchers to analyze the combat data and use it to develop an even more evolved, ultimate B.O.W.

[Dracarys]

The file existing has been evidence for 13 years or so now. One entry by him is Sept 30th 1998, he clearly got his report out of the city.

[News Bot]

The file existing has been evidence for 13 years or so now. One entry by him is Sept 30th 1998, he clearly got his report out of the city.

Except getting it out of the city doesn't depend on him having escaped. Fax and email are things.

[Renard]

Didn't someone from Capcom say that Gun Survivor sort of takes place in an alternate timeline/universe and should be treated as such?

Also, where exactly does it state that the Nikolai's information helped create the monsters in CODE: Veronica?

And can you explain how the localization's accurate translation was actually a complete mistake?

[Rombie]

^ considering I've seen NB make a post which already confirmed Survivor's existence into the canon in several different official ways, I can't see that happening.

Ironically this post just confirms for me personally the truth I saw in 2000. The first version of the files that were posted online were translations of the Japanese version and I guess in the face of this reasonably decent translations given the time period. After that they continued to be replaced with the PAL translation being it was the next version out.

[Lanzagranadas]

There´s also a note from Sergei to Nicholai in REUC and Resident Evil Archives also mentioned he survived by escaping on helicopter.

[Dracarys]

Didn't someone from Capcom say that Gun Survivor sort of takes place in an alternate timeline/universe and should be treated as such?

Yasuhisa Kawamura. - "GUN SURVIVOR is like "Alien vs. Predator" to the original "Alien" movie. You should treat it as a separate entity."

[News Bot]

Didn't someone from Capcom say that Gun Survivor sort of takes place in an alternate timeline/universe and should be treated as such?

Also, where exactly does it state that the Nikolai's information helped create the monsters in CODE: Veronica?

And can you explain how the localization's accurate translation was actually a complete mistake?

Not one CAPCOM Japan employee has ever said that (unless you go the Dracarys route of word twisting and inserting your own context).

It is stated in the CODE:Veronica scenario and biographies for a number of enemies. The Gulp Worm and Black Widow in particular.

The localization isn't accurate, that's why it's a mistake. It completely ignores the original text's specifics, and the "Umbrella B.O.W. Development Team" simply isn't mentioned at all. Randomly mistranslating and deleting things is not accuracy.

Yasuhisa Kawamura. - "GUN SURVIVOR is like "Alien vs. Predator" to the original "Alien" movie. You should treat it as a separate entity."

Wrong.

Alien vs. Predator was "canon" to the original movie for a long time. Ridley Scott only denounced it within the past two years-- Kawamura wasn't aware (he can't read English).

That's not even counting the fact that he wasn't talking about canon or universes. He was talking about "main series" and then things outside of the main series. In Kawamura's case, he prefers only to look at works sanctioned directly by Mikami, whereas Gun Survivor was an independent FLAGSHIP project. Just to display how ridiculously you took that statement out of context:

Q. I see. Now according to BIOHAZARD GUN SURVIVOR, Umbrella's European branch on Sheena Island held Dr. Birkin responsible for what happened in Raccoon City...
A. GUN SURVIVOR is like "Alien vs. Predator" to the original "Alien" movie. You should treat it as a separate entity.

Q. Just a moment. GUN SURVIVOR was written by the late Mr. Sugimura of FLAGSHIP, and was mentioned in the opening narration of "BIOHAZARD 0"...
A. "BIOHAZARD 0" was under the control of FLAGSHIP. In that sense, it's close to GUN SURVIVOR.

That's the only "separate" distinction he makes-- They were under FLAGSHIP's control, rather than Mikami's. As CAPCOM themselves describe, the Gun Survivor games are extra editions (番外編) within the original story (本編). Separate entities that are not essential and have no dramatic impact on the development or outcome of the original story, but are considered canon. Unlike your precious Operation Raccoon City, which is neither.

Here's the Japanese definition of "extra edition" as used by CAPCOM:

番外編（ばんがいへん）は、「番外」と「編」を組み合わせた複合語である。番外とは「番組外」の略であり、 ここでいう番組とは、本来「（演劇などの）演目や予定」を指す。また、編とは、ここでは「物語の一編」とい う意味で使われている。つまり番外編とは、物語（本編）全体の流れに沿ってはいるがその展開や結末に直接関 係しない話、という意味である。本編中では描かれていない部分（連続作品だと話と話の間など）で起こった出 来事、裏話などが描かれることが一般的である。

Extra is an abbreviation of "outside show", and the show here originally refers to a "programme or performance (such as theater)." In addition, 編 is used here meaning "one part of the story." In other words, an extra edition follows the flow of the whole (main series/original story) plot, but the tale is not directly related to its development and ending. It is common to write partial events, inside stories etc (such as in-between the story and the story's continuing productions) that are not written within the original story.

[jam287]

I don't think anybody has ever considered Alien vs Predator canon...

[Dracarys]

I never stated anything about Survivor and canon Newsbot, I answered Renards enquiry with the actual quote. No need go into dick mode.

[News Bot]

I don't think anybody has ever considered Alien vs Predator canon...

You'd be surprised.

I never stated anything about Survivor and canon Newsbot, I answered Renards enquiry with the actual quote. No need go into dick mode.

The quote says nothing about canon either, which was the point. You've also used both that quote and a number of others in the past in an attempt to portray Kawamura as unreliable. It looked like the same case here. That's what happens when you say dumb shit; people are going to keep assuming that everything you say is nonsense.

[Renard]

Yasuhisa Kawamura. - "GUN SURVIVOR is like "Alien vs. Predator" to the original "Alien" movie. You should treat it as a separate entity."

Ah yes, I couldn't quite remember what he said exactly. Thanks.

Not one CAPCOM Japan employee has ever said that (unless you go the Dracarys route of word twisting and inserting your own context).

As I said above, I understand now that wasn't quite what he said since I was just recalling from my memory. Also, what are you talking about? Dracarys just posted the quote for me.

It is stated in the CODE:Veronica scenario and biographies for a number of enemies. The Gulp Worm and Black Widow in particular.

I still can't find anything. Do you think you could provide links if you have the time?

The localization isn't accurate, that's why it's a mistake. It completely ignores the original text's specifics, and the "Umbrella B.O.W. Development Team" simply isn't mentioned at all. Randomly mistranslating and deleting things is not accuracy.

I see, I misread what you said before. Sorry about that.

Wrong.

Alien vs. Predator was "canon" to the original movie for a long time. Ridley Scott only denounced it within the past two years-- Kawamura wasn't aware (he can't read English).

That's not even counting the fact that he wasn't talking about canon or universes. He was talking about "main series" and then things outside of the main series. In Kawamura's case, he prefers only to look at works sanctioned directly by Mikami, whereas Gun Survivor was an independent FLAGSHIP project. Just to display how ridiculously you took that statement out of context:

That's the only "separate" distinction he makes-- They were under FLAGSHIP's control, rather than Mikami's. As CAPCOM themselves describe, the Gun Survivor games are extra editions (番外編) within the original story (本編). Separate entities that are not essential and have no dramatic impact on the development or outcome of the original story, but are considered canon. Unlike your precious Operation Raccoon City, which is neither.

I sort of see what you mean, but I fail to see what the difference is between "separate universes" and "separate entities". Perhaps the Alien vs. Predator example he used wasn't the best though. But jam287 is correct, basically nobody considers Alien vs. Predator to be canon, and for good reason.

The quote says nothing about canon either, which was the point. You've also used both that quote and a number of others in the past in an attempt to portray Kawamura as unreliable. It looked like the same case here. That's what happens when you say dumb shit; people are going to keep assuming that everything you say is nonsense.

Well nobody thinks Alien vs. Predator is canon, so how does that not apply? Also, are you talking about Dracarys or Kawamura?

[News Bot]

I sort of see what you mean, but I fail to see what the difference is between "separate universes" and "separate entities". Perhaps the Alien vs. Predator example he used wasn't the best though. But jam287 is correct, basically nobody considers Alien vs. Predator to be canon, and for good reason.

Nobody considers AvP canon anymore (due to Scott, Predators and Prometheus) but there has been plenty of discussion about it throughout the years, and even Anderson attempted to vouch for AvP being an almighty prequel. If you can't tell the difference between universe and entity then I really don't know what to say as it's very cut and dry. It has nothing to do with canon, it's purely from a product standpoint. There are things that separate the games from each other. There is the main series, then there are extra editions, then gaidens, movies, etc. Kawamura was making the distinction between the main series and extra editions; he personally doesn't care for the latter and values each entry based on who was responsible for them. Extra editions by their very nature can be ignored.

I was talking about Dracarys. I misread her intentions here due to previous things she has said about Kawamura. She used the very same quote only a month ago to claim he was insinuating that GS wasn't canon, then tried to use it against me by claiming I was ignoring it to make up canon, etc.

Is an example of your picking and choosing to develop you own version of canon, which has always been my criticism of your work. You ignore devs when they claim Survivor is not canon (GUN SURVIVOR is like "Alien vs. Predator" to the original "Alien" movie. You should treat it as a separate entity.). Again, picking and choosing facts. I believe Survivor canon, before you try and claim I don't.

[Dracarys]

And again, I just posted the actual quote for him to make his own mind up what was actually being said. Not everyone twists every quote they dislike into something it isn't, most take them at face value.

[News Bot]

And again, you're renowned for twisting quotes, so don't act shocked when someone assumes that's what you're doing with an exact quote you twisted only a month ago in another pathetic attempt to make me look wrong. Aside from that, I just cleared up any potential confusion, which you attempted to perpetuate before. Anyway, your bullshit has nothing to do with this topic. Any other off-topic posts will just be reported.