Opinions on the state of RE

[Gradon]

Haha, that's the name of the thread; opinions.

[TheOrganization]

exactly

[Darkmoon]

Yup. And if BLSR1 would care to try and argue why RE4 is a good RE game (rather than being a good game but a bad RE) then that's great, and I'd love to do it, as I love to debate and discuss. So far the best person I've seen to so is Rosetta Mist and her explanation on how it's an evolotion, with which I partially agree.

[Itashious_boy]

then again what if RE4 was just a game to hlep raise money and get RE's games back on its feet, is worked hasnt it?

[BLSR1]

Yup. And if BLSR1 would care to try and argue why RE4 is a good RE game (rather than being a good game but a bad RE) then that's great, and I'd love to do it, as I love to debate and discuss. So far the best person I've seen to so is Rosetta Mist and her explanation on how it's an evolotion, with which I partially agree.

Okay RE4 is a good game Heres proof:

2004 IGN Best of E3 Awards

* Best Sound
* Technological Excellence
* Game of the Show

2005 CESA Game Awards

* Prize of Excellence

2005 Spike TV's Video Game Awards

* Best Graphics
* Game of the Year

IGN Best of 2005

* GameCube Best Action Game
* Best Graphics Technology
* Best Artistic Design
* Best Original Score
* Best Use of Sound
* Game of the Year Runner Up

2005 GameTrailers

* Ranked #1 on "GT Countdown Game of the Year"

2005 Golden Joystick Awards

* GameCube Game of the Year
* Editor's Game of the Year

2005 GameSpot Best of 2005

* Best Action Adventure Game
* Most Improved Sequel
* GameCube Game of the Year
* Game of the Year 2005 (GameCube Version)

GameSpy Best of 2005

* Best GameCube Action Title
* GameCube Game of the Year

2005 Edge magazine Awards

* Best Game Of 2005

Telewest Shiny Awards Games Digest

* Game Of The Year 2005

NGC Magazine 2005 Awards

* Game of the Year
* Gamecube Game of the Year
* Best Action Game
* Best Graphics
* Best Sound

2005 1UP Awards

* Game of the Year
* Best Action Game



2005 Nintendo Power Awards

* Game of the Year
* Best Graphics
* Best Storyline

2005 X-Play

* Best Action Adventure Game of 2005
* Game of the Year 2005
* Ranked #1 in the "Top 10 GameCube Games"
* Ranked #4 in the "Top Ten Scariest Games of All Time"
* 5/5 (GameCube version)
* 5/5 (PlayStation 2 version)
* Ranked #1 in the "Top 10 games ever"

GameFAQs 2005's Best

* Best GameCube Game
* Game of the Year

GameFAQs Tenth Anniversary Contest

* Ranked #14 on "Best Games Ever"

2005 Game Informer

* Game of the Month
* Game of the Year

2005 Metacritic

* PlayStation 2 Game of the Year
* GameCube Game of the Year

2005 Play Magazine

* Editor's Choice Game of the Year
* Best Graphics

2005 EGM Magazine

* Game of the Year

2005 Games Master's Gaming Awards

* Game of the Year
* GameCube Game of the Year

2005 GamePro Magazine Editor's Choice

* Game of the Year
* Best Action-Adventure

2005 UGO.com

* Game of the Year

2005 Game Revolution

* Game of the Year



2005 GAME

* Game of the Year

2005 Gamefly Q Awards Favorite

* Game of the Year
* GameCube Game of the Year

2005 Gamecentral's (UK)

* Game of the Year

2005 Nintendo Power Awards

* Game of the Year — GCN
* Best Graphics — GCN
* Best Sound/Voice Acting
* Best Adventure Game
* Game of the Year (overall)

2005 Nintendo Power "NP Top 200"

* Ranked #2

2005 Spike TV Video Game Awards

* Voted #1 Game of 2005.

Gaming Target

* 52 Games From 2005 We'd Still Be Playing

2006 Famitsu

* 2005 Game of the Year (tied with Kingdom Hearts II)

2006 GameSpy

* Ranked #1 on "Top 25 GameCube Games of All Time"

2006 PSM

* Runner up for "Game of the Year"
* Best Graphics
* Most Improved Sequel

2007 X-Play

* Ranked #1 on "Top 10 reviewed Games of all time."

2007 IGN

* Ranked #10 on "The Top 100 Games Ever"

IGN Best of 2007

* Wii Best Action Game

2007 GameTrailers

* Best Third-Person Shooter

Its also a good RE game and Ive argued this in another thread. The only problems with it being a bad RE game is a) lack of puzzles and b) plentiful ammo. Besides those minor complaints it is one of the best Resident evil games and helped save the series from obscurity, most of the common complaints of RE4 are BS because they are also in RE3.

[Darkmoon]

Well, I wasn't aware RE needed it. If it did and since it worked...great. That doesn't make it a good RE game, however. A good financial decision, yeah. The game was an incredible financial success. However, the Resident Evil movies are also a good financial and I think we pretty much universally agree that financially succesful is the only accolade the movies can collect.

Edit: Yes, BLSR1, it's a great game. I'm arguing it's a poor RE, but I think it's an excellent game. I own both the GameCube and Wii version, both bought new.

[BLSR1]

I edited my post while you were posting that.

Here's the continuation of my argument

Its also a good RE game and Ive argued this in another thread. The only problems with it being a bad RE game is a) lack of puzzles and b) plentiful ammo. Besides those minor complaints it is one of the best Resident evil games and helped save the series from obscurity, most of the common complaints of RE4 are BS because they are also in RE3.

[Darkmoon]

Well, here are my complaints.

1 - There is a lack of horror. The enemies are less scary (my opinion, I admit) and the vast ammount of ammo and the sheer increase in both enemy numbers and the encounters make people less afraid. So far the only two things I've heard people say was scary are the Ovenman and the Regerators. Combine it with the fact the next area you enter almost always contains enemies (many areas in the other RE's don't) and I feel it's simply not as scary.

2 - The storyline is barely linked to the game. The side games are far more relevant to the main story than the actual game is.

3 - There is no exploration. You go from point A to B to C and that's it. And you always know where you're going. This was deffintely a problem in RE3 as well.

4 - The puzzles are poor. They're almost all fetch the key and you're usually given the key very, very quickly.

Of course, several of the older RE's have issues too. I'm not a huge fan of RE3 either, for example. But I do find it scarier than RE4, partially because of Nemesis' stalking. And the zombies.

I do love me some zombies.

We seem to already agree on point 4 so I'd love to hear your thoughts on the others.

[TheOrganization]

I agree with darkmoon, these where the reasons i didnt like resi 4

[Gradon]

I agree, Resident Evil 3 wasn't the best, I don't play it alot because I dislike it.

Although, it was scary, still is, Nemesis ALWAYS makes me jump, and everytime he runs for me. O_O
Gonna cry.

[TheOrganization]

the only reason i quite liked 3 was because Jill got the limelight again haha

[Bertha]

I agree with both Darkmoon and BLSR. There is no doubt RE4 is a great game. Series wise though, it lags. I have copies of RE4 for GC, PS2 (both were the special releases from Gamestop), and for Wii. I'm not going to spend that much money on something if I didn't like it.

RE4 could have been so much more. I would have liked to learn a bit more about Luis, Krauser, and Saddler. How the hell did Saddler manage to build a facility that big and no one know? Who was his backer? One of the obvious answers for that would be Salazar, but in a modern world, I doubt the Salazar family had too much power. How did they come to discover the plaga? How long had they been researching it? Even in RE1, you had some sense that the Raccoon research facility had been in existance for a long time.

Krauser was obviously augmented before the plaga, since in Ada's report she mentions she knows about his arm and how to deal with him. If Krauser was so important he understood Wesker's ideas for the new Umbrella, why didn't we learn at least a little more about how that came to be. At least with Nicholai in RE3, Outbreak, and UC, we learned that he had connections.


All that aside, I still think 4 was a great game. Most people complain that the enemies were boring, and I agree for the most part. The U-3 and the novistators were moderately clever. While they weren't exactly scary, the first run in with the novistators gave that feel of the older RE games since you really didn't know where they were going to spring up next.

[TheOrganization]

i didnt think he had built the facility, i assumed it was an abandoned factory of some sort or it was occupied but sadler infected them all to gain control

[Darkmoon]

Thank you Rosetta. That sums up what I've been trying to say...badly...for a while. I need more sleep. And to type less. 1,500 words a day plus a whole bunch of other things seems to be taking all my typing skill away. That and my lack of sleep error.

[Stu]

I can't believe people are still arguing about something so dated now.