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  • #76
    I know this is Resident Evil, but characters need to stop mutating at the end. It's getting old. The original RE was fine, we had Wesker meeting his supposed "death" at the hands of the bioweapon he released. In RE2, Birkin mutated for a very good reason. He was mortally wounded by HUNK's team, so he injected himself and became his own life's work. RE3 was okay too, we had Nemesis but nothing bad ever really came of the human antagonist, Nicholai. He didn't mutate or anything to that degree, and yes, I believe that his escape from Raccoon City is canon.

    But with the more recent titles, it's become a theme. Starting with CVX, Alexia began a trend that her successors would all follow - confront the heroes as a seemingly normal human, and then mutate into a grotesque creature. Along comes RE4, Saddler mutates at the end. Then UC, Sergei mutates at the end. It's already getting unoriginal, which is why it satisfies me that Spencer will be getting killed as a human, collapsed on the floor rather than dissolving in a bloody mess. That's something interesting to note. In recent games, we've seen these powerful forms - Alexia, Saddler, Sergei, etc. We see them, we KNOW they are a threat. But then along comes Spencer, perhaps the greatest adversary of the series, and he's a seemingly feeble old man. Suddenly he doesn't look so threatening, but it's an intriguing scenario, isn't it? This man who in many regards is far more powerful than any of the previous antagonists, in terms of influencial (and to a degree, instrumental) power, doesn't even look at all powerful.

    It's great how an old man in a wheelchair can somehow be more imposing than a ten foot tall hulking monstrosity with spiked tentacles and eyes growing over its body.
    See you in hell.

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    • #77
      I see what you guys are saying about the lack of character development in the RE series, but I think that the producers are really trying to change that.

      In RE4, Leon was given the chance for some characterization where they sought to make him "cool." His development (or degeneration - couldn't resist myself) will continue in Degeneration, where Claire will also probably be fleshed out some more.

      RE5 so far looks like an intricate story, compared to the classic RE standards. The added cutscenes and musical score seem to really emphasize drama. I see a lot of people referencing Metal Gear 4, so maybe that is what Capcom is after as well: a Hollywood movie-type of storytelling experience.

      *As for the final boss mutations: I agree with Spencer. It has been done to death. But then again, so has the self-destruct sequence and rocket launcher.

      Hopefully Wesker doesn't mutate (does he need to?) and the final showdown with Chris also doesn't require an RPG.
      Last edited by Jill's Boob; 10-11-2008, 10:19 AM.

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      • #78
        I've been saying it for awhile now that I think it would be pretty cool if we found out in RE5 that Wesker has been systematically killing off everyone who has opposed him over the years. I kind of doubt that's what Capcom is going for, but it would certainly be an easy way to explain what happened to all of the "forgotten" characters without actually having to give any real thought to what they've been up to for the past 10 years.

        I think it would be interesting to see Rebecca, Barry, and Jill's tombstones (heck, even Claire and Leon's, for that matter) lined up together, with Chris standing there vowing vengeance against Wesker once and for all. I suppose he could salute the graves as well, but that might be a little too much like MGS3 and MGS4.

        In case you're wondering why I didn't include characters like Billy and Carlos, it's because I don't consider them important to the overall mythos. But if people really wanted to find out what happened to them, too, it wouldn't be difficult to throw their tombstones up there as well.

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        • #79
          An ultimate meltdown will occur in the RE fans community if that occur. My vision was for them to slowly kills off the characters with each game, ending with a merger of S company and Wesker's company, with Chris/Jill/Sheva and a new character against Wesker/Ada/Hunk/Excella in the final game, each character holding their personal feud against one person from the other side. And yes, Wesker killing Jill off before Chris exert the revenge onto Wesker in the series ending for me.

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          • #80
            But isnt Ada against Wesker and S?

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            • #81
              It's hard to tell just how sadistic Wesker is though.

              He did outright lead his S.T.A.R.S. comrades to their deaths (and murder Enrico in cold blood). This after having spent time with them and getting to know them all well during the non-mansion missions. Hours upon hours spent in the R.P.D. and on stake-outs, etc. Pretty deranged when you think about it. He had to befriend them (somewhat).

              In RECV he could have killed Claire in front of her own brother, but he let her go as he really only sought to kill Chris. Which he failed to do, twice. The first time, he was distracted by Alexia, the second time he was showing off which delayed the kill until fate intervened.

              In REUC, we see Wesker again - though he still remains at a distance from Chris, instead using Chris & Jill to do his dirty work (which he did again in RE4 with Ada).

              There was also that REUC manga comic thing, where Wesker confronts Jill & Chris in Russia, but never really threatens them. Just toys with them, as usual.

              Wesker never really seemed to show a serial killer type of bloodlust to me. But maybe the power he has gained, along with the recent successes of his plans, will finally corrupt his mind fully? He does seem to possess a much more evil nature in the snippets from RE5.

              The only reason I could see Wesker killing Jill is because of her relationship with Chris. But, then again, he didn't kill Claire, who is his sister. If Wesker was truly sadistic, he would hunt down and murder Claire, Barry, and Jill. Maybe the opportunity to kill Jill presented itself, as Jill & Chris confronted Wesker (shown via flashback perhaps) and Wesker did it as the ultimate insult to Chris.

              I really believe that Wesker has allowed Chris to live for so long, since it is all a game to him. A game of cat & mouse. There is mutual hatred, but Wesker wouldn't have as much fun without his bete noir.

              But, in his quest to become a "God," maybe he's been injecting himself more & more and losing whatever little humanity remained? Hence the apparent murder of Spencer in cold blood.

              Archelon, I agree with you that Billy & Carlos are unimportant to the mythos. But I don't think Wesker really would care to actually kill anyone besides Chris. Maybe Jill & Barry (because of the mansion incident). Maybe Claire because of familial relationships. But Leon would only be killed if he got in Wesker's way. And Rebecca, well, Wesker would never kill his favorite basketball player.
              Last edited by Jill's Boob; 10-11-2008, 10:54 AM.

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              • #82
                I'm curious to know what the Organisation's role will be in RE5.

                There's also HUNK and Nicholai, two characters who I would like to see make a return.
                See you in hell.

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                • #83
                  correct me if im wrong but according to the canon story nicholai died in raccoon city ? (and that the file titled with his name in the english version of survivor was a misprint, the jp version had the last entry written by some other umbrella guy)

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                  • #84
                    Well, the ending of UC depicts Barry's rescue of Jill and Carlos. It even says in a file in UC, that Barry went back to rescue them. Or something like that.
                    See you in hell.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by A-J View Post
                      correct me if im wrong but according to the canon story nicholai died in raccoon city ? (and that the file titled with his name in the english version of survivor was a misprint, the jp version had the last entry written by some other umbrella guy)
                      No, he's alive. And that file is actually in two parts, first by Nicholai about the events in RC, then by an Umbrella research department in the second.
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                      • #86
                        I'm sure Jill will not die. Let me remind you of several trailers that mislead the gamers before
                        1-All trailers of MGS 2 (Making you believe that Snkae is the hero)
                        2-Old Snake with a gun put inside his mouth and a gunshot MGS4 Trailer

                        And I don't want Jill Valentine to die after all she is "master of unlocking" ;)
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                        • #87
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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by CiarenDevlin View Post
                            No, he's alive. And that file is actually in two parts, first by Nicholai about the events in RC, then by an Umbrella research department in the second.
                            Whoa whoa whoa, what? Explain to me how Nicholai is alive.

                            We saw him get impaled by Nemesis, and then a nuke blew up the city 15 minutes later.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by ChrisRedfield29 View Post
                              Whoa whoa whoa, what? Explain to me how Nicholai is alive.

                              We saw him get impaled by Nemesis, and then a nuke blew up the city 15 minutes later.
                              Theres more than one ending. Jill can cause Nicholai to get killed by Nemesis, she can kill him herself, or she lets him escape in the helicopter (causing Barry to come to rescue her and Carlos). Canon ending: Nicholai lives.
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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Rosetta Mist View Post
                                Theres more than one ending. Jill can cause Nicholai to get killed by Nemesis, she can kill him herself, or she lets him escape in the helicopter (causing Barry to come to rescue her and Carlos). Canon ending: Nicholai lives.
                                Can't argue with that.

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