Resident Evil 5 = Resident Evil 4 (Arguing in here! - Keep it civil)

[Vogue_Dirge]

Well, considering I picked video game development as my career, I think it's safe to say, video games are a somewhat big part of my life.

I was just playing with you.


Video Game Development? That's awesome. I've always wanted to write the stories and scripts for video games. I guess that's a producer of something? I have a lot of cool concepts for games, but no where to tell them.
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[Biohazard EX]

I was just playing with you.


Video Game Development? That's awesome. I've always wanted to write the stories and scripts for video games. I guess that's a producer of something? I have a lot of cool concepts for games, but no where to tell them.
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Yes, well, I'm starting with modeling and texturing. If nothing else, I'll tell my stories for free.

But that's getting off topic. All I'm saying is that I'm a fundamentalist when it comes to video games. Particularly when it pertains to the artificial universe of a game series. And to me, the idea of parasites that were in the ground for hundreds of years, yet possess such intelligence as they displayed, just doen't work right what the artificial universe that Capcom had established with the first several games.
They just went over my limits that's all. Overdramatic twins, cross dressing guy... I let it go.
An opera singing guy dressed up like a white mage... I let it go.
But they just pushed it over the line. Like I said, it wasn't JUST the backstory of RE4 that killed it for me, but it definitely was the biggest factor.
With RE5, I'm not saying that it's gonna be worse than RE4. I'm just saying the damage is done, and it's beyond repair for me. So long as the events which took place in RE4, and UC, count as Canon, I'm really not interested in RE5.

[Darkmoon]

Thats exactly what i've been trying to get across. If your a die hard fan of the series, then you accept every game no matter what.
Even if it no longer has nothing to do with survival horror, you just like the series for what it is, or has become

I can't even begin to understand that argument, honestly. I like a series because the series is good. If the series is no longer good then why on Earth should I remain a fan? That's sorta like saying, 'Well you like cheese don't you? So what that it's gone mouldy! Choke it down bitch!'

You're essentially saying we should not think about the games, or think about there faults, or really do anything other than play it and go, 'Wow, that's awesome!' And I'm simply incapable of not thinking like that, simply accepting that it's awesome because it has Resident Evil in the title.

Of course, I assume you folks can give me a good run down of Gaiden, right? Because it's awesome, since it's RE, you guys must have put a lot more effort it into it than I have. Couldn't stand the thing myself. I mean, the game was so bad Capcom retconned it out of the story. Totally. But you guys must have beaten it to death.

[Mr_Zombie]

If your a fanboy of the series, then you accept every game no matter what.
Even if it no longer has nothing to do with survival horror, you just like the series for what it is, or has become

Fixed.

Really, you can't expect people to love the game just because it has "Resident Evil" title slapped on it. The series is now something completely different than what most of people here used to love back in the old RE games days.

[biohazard_star]

Thats exactly what i've been trying to get across. If your a die hard fan of the series, then you accept every game no matter what.
Even if it no longer has nothing to do with survival horror, you just like the series for what it is, or has become

Wouldn't that just be being a mindless drone who buys anything related to RE? I mean, you don't just become a fan of something for no reason at all; you become a fan of something because you LIKE it. If the qualities you liked in it are already gone, why would you still continue being a fan of it? :/

[Skunky]

I think people just genuinely enjoy complaining...
The 2nd most common use of the internet is people complaining about stuff (pornography being the most common use). Particularly with games and films it's a great chance for people to tell the world about how it's all gone horribly wrong. Writers and developers can never please all the fans of well established franchises. It used to be only magazine writers, tv and radio hosts who could do this but now everyone's a critic.

I don't see big long threads filled with passionate posts about all the things that make the early games so great. Instead, we have people here writing huge long posts about games they apparently hate and don't care about.

If you're no longer interested then why the f**k are you still writing about it?

I love the early games, the spin offs and RE4. I'm certainly not pleased about ALL the things I've been reading about RE5 but I'm still looking forward to it. The series has always changed in various ways and I expect it to continue to do so. Whether there will be future games that revert back to the earlier style or not, remains to be seen. Capcom created and own the series and they will do whatever they want with it. For better or worse...

[Twist]

Wouldn't that just be being a mindless drone who buys anything related to RE? I mean, you don't just become a fan of something for no reason at all; you become a fan of something because you LIKE it. If the qualities you liked in it are already gone, why would you still continue being a fan of it? :/

Exactly.


As far as I'm concerned, if your going to become a fan of something, you may aswell like it in the first place. These people who buy anything with the words "Resident" and "Evil" on them are blind. So blind infact, that their oblivious to the fact.


When the serie's was FIRST created, back when the Playstation was popular, it's story/direction was so that the S.T.A.R.S. team would hunt down their traitor, Albert Wesker, and stop Umbrella's plans on creating horrific Zombie-like monsters.

This was the central plot of the serie's.

One of Umbrella's MAIN goals was to create a biological weapon that wasn't hard to mass-produce and could infect other hosts. Going further into the central theme, Umbrella used the Ebola virus and other elements to create Zombie's, which like it or not, were the central enemy of the serie's, aside from Wesker of course.

And THAT is what Resident Evil is. Yes, all games do need to evolve at one point or another, but the direction BH4 took was WRONG. It could of been interesting to explore a plot that involved parasites, but because of Crapcom's decisions, we were screwed out of getting to see how cool and entertaining the real BH style could have been had Leon not turned into a Bruce Lee/Rambo hybrid and had infinite ammo. And had to rescue a stupid, insignificent character. And had to buy weapons of some 2-bit asshole in a faggy outfit. And kill boring human characters in a game originally involving monster characters.

That bullshit we got for enemy's in 4 was a joke. The only intimidating character really worhty of being called an enemy was the Regenerator/Iron Maiden. Salvador was just some fat, unemployed village idiot who was left un-attended and got his mits on a chainsaw.


BH 5, to people with more than 3 brain cells, is nothing but BH 4 in Africa with added characters. It's really not that hard of a thing to realize.

The serie's has evolved, not into a "natural" game evolution, but a greed-based one [if that makes any sense]. Capcom no longer care for the beauty and the fans which made BH what it is, they just care for money and thats it. It sucks, we know.

Moral of the story: "Fans" that started to like BH after picking up/completing BH 4 aren't what I consider true fans in any sense of the word, and I needed to just put the idea straight that BH isn't what it used to be anymore, to you big "4" fans. You don't understand what it's like to grow up with mystery, horror, and interesting plotlines.

That is all.

[Helegad]

Wow, this is one topic filled with massive posts

I find that people became so used to pre-RE4 games that they're unwilling to accept changes to a formula that was so likable to them.

[Biohazard EX]

Wow, this is one topic filled with massive posts

I find that people became so used to pre-RE4 games that they're unwilling to accept changes to a formula that was so likable to them.

Hey, I tried. Calling people who don't like RE4 close-minded is incredibly ignorant. I gave it a chance, and I gave Umbrella Chronicles a chance... More of a chance than it deserved. I freakin spent $300 on a Wii, just to play Umbrella Chronicles. I tried them. I gave them a fair chance. I've beaten them mulstiple times. And I hated them more and more with every playthrough.
But that doesn't matter, because I'm just a closed minded person, apparently. God forbid I should have an opinion that doesn't agree with the majority.

[adamthegrave]

look, no one cant please no one now days when it comes to video games always
people are going nip-pick about everything....

[CODE_umb87]

I can't even begin to understand that argument, honestly. I like a series because the series is good. If the series is no longer good then why on Earth should I remain a fan? That's sorta like saying, 'Well you like cheese don't you? So what that it's gone mouldy! Choke it down bitch!'

You're essentially saying we should not think about the games, or think about there faults, or really do anything other than play it and go, 'Wow, that's awesome!' And I'm simply incapable of not thinking like that, simply accepting that it's awesome because it has Resident Evil in the title.

Of course, I assume you folks can give me a good run down of Gaiden, right? Because it's awesome, since it's RE, you guys must have put a lot more effort it into it than I have. Couldn't stand the thing myself. I mean, the game was so bad Capcom retconned it out of the story. Totally. But you guys must have beaten it to death.

I never said a game is good just because the title is slapped on, I dont know where you got that from since I never said that. And that is your opinion that RE sucks now, not mine. I happened to enjoy RE4, I thought it was fun. Yes, the story was not as top-notch as the previous RE's, so what. I dont give up on a series because one game was not up to my expectations. And as for UC, seriously, it was ment as a thank you note for the fans of the series, you didnt even have to play it, I dont know how many times I've said that. And as for the whole cheese thing, ok, you dont have to like every game to be a fan of the series, your right about that. No ones forcing you to play RE5 or to like RE4, its your opinion that 5 and 4 are horrible RE games. But for me, I like the series no matter what its become, why, because Im still enjoying it, and that there is my opinion. You may think its mouldy cheese, but In my opinion, think otherwise.

If the qualities you liked in it are already gone, why would you still continue being a fan of it? :/

So, basically what you just said is if the qualities are gone why still call yourself a fan, or continue being a fan? You basically agreed with what I've been saying so try explaining that to the rest of the people here.

As far as I'm concerned, if your going to become a fan of something, you may aswell like it in the first place. These people who buy anything with the words "Resident" and "Evil" on them are blind. So blind infact, that their oblivious to the fact.

Again, never said anything about buying a game just for the title.

If you're no longer interested then why the f**k are you still writing about it?

And as for, Oh, resident evil is not good anymore because the zombies and x-viruses are gone now....give me a break. The series would have diffentily been over if they had kept that up. The series wasnt all about zombies, just because they were in most of the games, the series was mainly about the evil corporation Umbrella that so happened to be secretly working on a virus that creates B.O.W's, the zombies being somewhat of an accident, or useless results. Did you really expect that every single RE game to have some sort of viral outbreak and zombies would appear. "And for the plot of Resident Evil 4, Umbrella secretly creates another virus called the J-virus and unleashes it on the small town "Squirrel City" as revenge, turning the helpless citizens into flesh hungry zombies. Leon S. Kennedy is sent in to investigate".... wow, thats so genius.

[beasley23803]

look, no one cant please no one now days when it comes to video games always
people are going nip-pick about everything....

Exactly...And that's quite true with many of the ones who dispise 4.

[Jill's Boob]

And as for, Oh, resident evil is not good anymore because the zombies and x-viruses are gone now....give me a break. The series would have diffentily been over if they had kept that up. The series wasnt all about zombies, just because they were in most of the games, the series was mainly about the evil corporation Umbrella that so happened to be secretly working on a virus that creates B.O.W's, the zombies being somewhat of an accident, or useless results. Did you really expect that every single RE game to have some sort of viral outbreak and zombies would appear. "And for the plot of Resident Evil 4, Umbrella secretly creates another virus called the J-virus and unleashes it on the small town "Squirrel City" as revenge, turning the helpless citizens into flesh hungry zombies. Leon S. Kennedy is sent in to investigate".... wow, thats so genius.

I disagree. The decision to get rid of zombies and viral infection were not the reason for the success of RE4.

The change to the gameplay was the primary factor. The over-the-shoulder camera, the (somewhat) free-roaming maps, and the emphasis on ACTION were the primary reasons the series rebounded and became popular.

Your generic run-of-the mill Ganados are just as threatening and dangerous as zombies. You replace the Ganados I just spoke of with zombies in RE4, and you still have essentially the same game. Granted, Zombies probably can't climb up a ladder, or throw dynamite at you, or use a chainsaw, but put a group of them together and they can pose the same threat as a group of Ganados slowly shuffling up to you. (Since Ganados only like to run until they're a few feet away.)

The emphasis on a plethora of ammo, many enemies to shoot up, QTE's, and a James Bond-esque hero...communicating via codec...stumbling onto a nefarious plot for world domination...aided by Spider-Woman in the red dress...aiming to rescue the barely of age sexy young buxom blonde in the very short skirt...

...should I continue?

All of these things served to make RE4 a crowd pleasing, award winning, series rejuvenating entry that attracted many new fans! The Halo generation, Call of Duty FPS players, and teenaged gamers everywhere were of the consensus: RE4 rocks! Who doesn't love weapon customization?! "Why was this never in previous RE games?" *sarcasm*

I won't condemn RE4 entirely. It put the RE series back on the map. It is still mildly fun to play, even if I hate the lead character and his dialogue that would make Marion Cobretti cringe.

RE4 made some gameplay changes that brought the series back from the dead (pun intended). Thus, I look forward to RE5 as long as the weaknesses from RE4 are fixed: story, believable characters, better enemy AI.

I tell you what, code_umb87...you know what would be awesome, man...an RE game with the RE4/5 gameplay mechanic, and Crimson Heads as your generic enemy. That would be intense. That is the scenario that I imagined when I saw the first RE5 trailer years back (the one where Chris is dressed in blue).

Exactly...And that's quite true with many of the ones who dispise 4.

As for you...weren't you the one, a month or two ago, that was saying how the old style gameplay was complete and utter shit, and how "you and Capcom" decided for the series to go in a new direction, and you could care less what old school fans thought?

Why is it okay for you to "nit-pick" on the gameplay aspect of the older games, yet if someone is to "nit-pick" on elements of RE4, then they are automatically bad people (or just incorrect) in your view?

We're all individuals here, with different likes and dislikes. What makes one person a fan doesn't necessarily make another a fan. You need to quit acting like you're better than everyone else just because you like the RE4+ style of gameplay better than the pre-RE4 style of gameplay.

[CODE_umb87]

I know what your saying, but the zombie plots were just becoming old. They werent doing anything new with them, which I think is one of the resons they decided to try something different. They tried spicing it up in RE0 with the leeches, but that turned out disastrous.

EDIT: Thats exactly what I thought when that first trailer came out, crimson heads! I agree, crimson heads would be alot better than both ganados and slow-moving zombies, the game would be intense.
Crimsons are probibly the most savage and aggressive thing that has ever been in the RE series. What would be a real twist is if in RE5 the ganados eventually turn into some sort of fast aggressive monster like the zombies in the REmake did sometime during the game.

[Jill's Boob]

Ugh. RE0 was just a bad game. Bad story (they really botched the pre-RE1 mythology), uninteresting characters... It did have great graphics though.

I think that was when a lot of people really felt the RE series had become stale.

Zombies are still appealing enemies. I mean, aren't people really stoked for "Left 4 Dead?" And "Dead Rising" was a huge success. Zombies are good enemies if they are handled correctly.

But, Ganados were decent enemies. I mean, they weren't awful. Plus, their intelligence did allow some of them to pose more of a threat by handling weaponry.

Still, I think in your basic RE game, the generic enemies - be it basic ganado or basic zombie - are just a set up until you get the cooler, more dangerous enemies later in the game.

Ganados definitely serve a better purpose in a game like RE4 or RE5, where you are free to roam, have a ton of ammo, and need more cannon fodder.

Maybe someday Capcom will introduce a game with lots of Crimson Heads as the enemy. Maybe.