First 8 Minutes of Degeneration

[Biohazard EX]

Umm... I'm not denying myself anything. It's not like I said, "There's no <such anc such> in RE4, so I'm not going to enjoy it." It's simply how I felt. And yes, I agree with you that with Code Veronica, the storyline lost a lot of integrity. But that's why I don't consider it sacred like the first three. Which, by the way, I didn't think Irons was that overdramatic. He was dramatic, but he wasn't like... Flamboyant about it.

But with RE4, it wasn't just that, or that, it was just the overall combination that ceased the game from being Resident Evil.
Yes, Code Veronica had overdramatic characters and that's one thing done bad. But that's what people don't get, just because you do something bad, doesn't mean you have the right to do EVERYTHING bad. Bad storyline, good gameplay. But if the storyline turned a bit sour, that doesn't mean they have to change the gameplay into action-RPG. And okay, I can live with over the shoulder, it's the backflips, and the merchant system that turned me off the gameplay. And I don't care how many people say the Merchant is awesome. He isn't. He was a stupid character, and enemies dropping money and ammo only support the fact that it's an action-RPG.
Bottom line is, I simply can't enjoy it. And people who say they want to see RE5 because they care about what happens to the characters... I cared too. But when Capcom butchers the characters, like they did with Leon in RE4 and Wesker in UC, frankly, I'd rather those characters stayed awesome and untainted. And I'll come up with what happened to them using my imagination. Because no offense to Capcom, but I can come up with much better scenarios than RE4 and UC, doing the story some justice.
And that's pretty bad, when fanfiction is better than source material. But in case of Capcom, today, it's not too difficult.
Yes, the older games are still there and I do enjoy them. But I'm still upset that I have nothing to look forward to. Except Anderson's 4th movie, which I can't wait for.

I'm gonna enjoy Anderson's 4th movie. That's all there is to it.

[Darkmoon]

Alright, I've gotta ask some questions because you're one of the very few people I know who has really liked the movies. I'm sorta intruiged about your input here.

1 - Did you enjoy the lazer beams killing off more of the cast in the first movies than the zombies did?

2 - Did you feel the Licker, and it's mutant second form, were good ideas?

3 - In Apocolypse what did you think of Umbrella's giant wall being rasied so fast?

4 - Since Shinji Mikami himself said that he disliked child monsters how do you feel about the child zombies in the school?

5 - Did you think the salughter of S.T.A.R.S was the best idea?

6 - Did you feel Jill, Carlos and other game characters were well utlilized?

7 - Was having Alice defeat Nemesis and turn him back the storyline you think should have been done?

8 - Do you feel Alice's prowess, especially compared to other characters, was justified?

9 - In Extinction, do you feel that the killing off of all plant life was a reasonable and sensible storyline? Especially given the difficulties in transmitting it across the whole globe and the problem of reduced oxygen?

10 - Did you feel the 'borrowing' of elements of Day of the Dead was a good idea with the talking zombie?

11 - Did you feel the Wesker character was well used?

12 - Do you feel it was a suitable plot to have the surviors and Alice fail to notice a bitten character, especially given there two years of experience and Alice's capacity to sense the infected in Apocolypse?

13 - Do you feel the increase in Alice's powers was a good move?

14 - Do you believe that the control of Alice plot lasted so short a period?

15 - Was Claire used well in the movie?

16 - Do you feel the Alice Clone Army is a good idea?

17 - Do you feel the battle between the Clone Army and Wesker will be a good fourth movie, since that seems to be the likely premise?

These are some of the things that really bugged me about the movies, so I'm intriguied to see your view of them. I appologise about the negative phrasing sometimes...my own bias occasionally slips through.

[News Bot]

The level of trolling in this topic is stunning.

[Canas Renvall]

So I see. >_>

I happened to enjoy the movies as well, to be perfectly honest. Although, to be fair, Capcom has regained some of my trust since it turns out it was Shinji Mikami who made RE4 what it is. Yes, Alice was a little... over-the-top in Apocalypse and Extinction. However, that's her character. She was an experiment, injected with a virus (in this case, the T-Virus). Wesker injected himself with some unknown virus. Both are superhuman, both look human. Alice is Wesker, only good, that's about as close as I can tie her to the games. The only exception is her telekinetic powers. But Alexia had those, so Alice is like Wesker and Alexia Ashford's illegitimate lovechild.

From what I've seen, the Alice army clone doesn't have the abilities of the original Alice (at least not yet). Although I'm sure they'll have the military prowess she ended up remembering she had in the first movie.

Now, one of the reasons I like the movies is, like the earlier characters in the games... Alice shows emotion! *gasp!* Even Leon can't do that! She shows fear, she shows pain, she shows anger, she shows sorrow. Leon shows.... well, he shows. That's about it.

[Biohazard EX]

1 - Did you enjoy the lazer beams killing off more of the cast in the first movies than the zombies did?

-Well, it's not as if they killed off anyone important, other than One. I mean, three of the people the laser killed were extras, and they were there to be killed by lasers. The thing is, it was done effectively. The medic was decapitated. The other guy was sliced in half. One got diced into pieces. It's not like it just swept through them all, killing them in one 10 second scene. And it's not like there wasn't any zombie fodder left. Rain and JD were killed by zombies. Spence and Kaplan were killed by the licker. And those were the important characters.

2 - Did you feel the Licker, and it's mutant second form, were good ideas?

-Umm, I thought the mutant itself was cool. Frankly, what I didn't like was that the lickers in Apocalypse DIDN'T transform. Like I said, I see the movies as a whole separate franchise, as long as it's consistent with itself.

3 - In Apocolypse what did you think of Umbrella's giant wall being rasied so fast?
-Well, I wasn't too crazy about it. I mean, it is kinda pushing it. But it's a nice homage to Escape from New York.

4 - Since Shinji Mikami himself said that he disliked child monsters how do you feel about the child zombies in the school?
-Umm... I'm not sure what context he meant that in. I mean, personally, I dislike children in horror, period. This includes Angie and Sherry. The child zombies, however, I didn't mind. I didn't think they were as creepy as they should've been. But I have nothing against child zombies. Who cares what Mikami thinks?

5 - Did you think the salughter of S.T.A.R.S was the best idea?
-Well, it would've been nice to see more of them in action. But they weren't labeled or anything. If the STARS in that building were Rebecca, Enrico, Richard, Forest, Barry, Chris, etc. Then just killing them off like that would've been kinda cheap. But again, they were extras.

6 - Did you feel Jill, Carlos and other game characters were well utlilized?
-I'm well aware that the central character in the movies is Alice. So that in mind, yes, I thought they were utilized sufficiently. I mean, each had their moments. Jill had some good moments when Alice isn't around, especially when they first introduced Jill. And Carlos had some good moments near the end, where they went against the Umbrella guys. Good use of throwing knives.

7 - Was having Alice defeat Nemesis and turn him back the storyline you think should have been done?
-To be honest, I kinda like it when a bad guy turns against other bad guys, in general. An example that comes to mind was in Dragonball Z, when Vegeta turned against Frieza, I thought it was very badass on his part. Personally, I think Nemesis should've been able to put up a bit more of a fight against Alice, but the fact that Matt's consciousness took over, I didn't mind. Especially since it's not like he survived and went on to do adventures with the good guys. That would've been lame.

8 - Do you feel Alice's prowess, especially compared to other characters, was justified?
-Aside from the fact that Alice is a good guy, I don't see the difference between the fact that she has super powers and that Wesker does in the games. Personally, the way Apocalypse ended, I would've liked to see a bit more control over her. And I was kinda hoping she'd be a full on bad guy in Extinction, forced to kill the good guys.

9 - In Extinction, do you feel that the killing off of all plant life was a reasonable and sensible storyline? Especially given the difficulties in transmitting it across the whole globe and the problem of reduced oxygen?
-Well, reduced oxygen can still work out since there's also a heavily reduced amount of people. Overall, yes, it's difficult to justify how the people that are left do survive. But the fact that it led to a big desert setting was kinda cool. See, another thing that I liked about the three movies is that each movie has a very different setting. From cold labs, to abandoned city, to post-apocalyptic desert. It's not the same imagery over and over.

10 - Did you feel the 'borrowing' of elements of Day of the Dead was a good idea with the talking zombie?
-Well, to be honest, I didn't end up watching Day of the Dead until AFTER Extinction. So when I did see it it was kinda like, "Cool! So that's where they got it from!" But it was a bit blatant.

11 - Did you feel the Wesker character was well used?
-Umm... Not sure what you mean by well used. I would've definitely liked to see more of him. But I didn't feel like he was represented badly. Frankly, I prefer the haircut of movie Wesker, since that's how short I keep my hair. And I don't think it's justified calling him 'chubby' or whatever other terms people use. He's beefy, but he's not fat.

12 - Do you feel it was a suitable plot to have the surviors and Alice fail to notice a bitten character, especially given there two years of experience and Alice's capacity to sense the infected in Apocolypse?
-Hmm.. I hadn't thought about the fact that Alice could sense it. Good point. As for the others, I don't think it's that big of a deal. I mean T-Virus is a virus. Sure, LJ didn't look healthy, but in a world like that, I would imagine sickness is not that uncommon.

13 - Do you feel the increase in Alice's powers was a good move?
-Umm... Maybe not to that extent. But the fact that it drained her strength, wiped her out afterwards was at least a good move. So it's not like she had a limitless amount of that power.

14 - Do you believe that the control of Alice plot lasted so short a period?
-Yeah. Like I said, I would've liked to see Alice turn against the good guys completely.

15 - Was Claire used well in the movie?
-No worse than Jill or Carlos. Claire had her moments, and the fact that she was the LEADER of the convoy, and not just some person who's in the convoy definitely gave her more of a shine.

16 - Do you feel the Alice Clone Army is a good idea?
-Maybe not as many as there were. I would've toned it down a bit, not even because of Alice, but rather because of the amount of room they probably had in that underground lab.

17 - Do you feel the battle between the Clone Army and Wesker will be a good fourth movie, since that seems to be the likely premise?
-Well, there's two ways about it.
Either A: They can't do it. Because of the budget or whatever, they're unable to create a scene with an Alice army, and they make up some way to get rid of that idea. Like that the Alice clones all have a killswitch, or something.
Or B: Somehow they pull it off. In which case you got an army of Alices, and I think it'll just be impressive for what it is. I mean, RE doesn't have the budget of Lord of the Rings, so to see a whole army of Alices roaming through destroyed Tokyo would be quite a scene.

The thing about the movies is that I don't take them AS seriously as I took the games. So it's easier to let little flaws go. That's another thing. With the games, I was completely married to the artificial universe they set up, so it's that much more sensitive, and easier to mess up for me. But it's like that with all the movies. I'm more of just a casual fan of the movies, but nevertheless, I still love them. It's like with Spider-Man 3 (which I thought was the best in the trilogy), I didn't care that Brock/Venom was placed by Topher *****, or that Spider-Man actually had webs come out of his skin, and not through little cartridges. Or in X-Men, I didn't care that they killed off Cyclops, Phoenix and Xavier. That it wasn't true to the source material (in this case, the comics). I was able to enjoy them for what they were. It's the same thing with Resident Evil movies. It's the overall concepts that I enjoy.
Although I must admit, if for some reason Anderson decides to put Las Plagas into the fourth movie, I'm not gonna bother with it.

[P Anderson DIE]

I got more enjoyment out of those 8 minutes than I did after watching the first 2 live action flicks. I refuse to watch the 3rd because well if I wanted to watch a kung foo movie id watch a Bruce Lee flick thanks. Biohazard Ex does anything please you? Do you even like Resident Evil because I'm strugling to find you saying something positive about the franchise. Anyway got my copy preordered and im gonna love it!!!

[Biohazard EX]

I got more enjoyment out of those 8 minutes than I did after watching the first 2 live action flicks. I refuse to watch the 3rd because well if I wanted to watch a kung foo movie id watch a Bruce Lee flick thanks. Biohazard Ex does anything please you? Do you even like Resident Evil because I'm strugling to find you saying something positive about the franchise. Anyway got my copy preordered and im gonna love it!!!

I'm a fan of the classic Resident Evil. Everything pre-RE4 (or what I refer to as the Real Resident Evil games) is gold.

[P Anderson DIE]

My favorite Resident Evil game is Rebirth then 1,2,3,Code,4,Zero,Outbreak so I aint no fan of 4 and 5 is shaping up to be a disapointment with Jill possibly being written off but im still gonna play 5 and watch Degeneration cause I wanna know where the story goes. Otherwise whats the point in following the franchise? Cause I gotta tell ya mate I dont think there is much left to go back to in ol Racoon City.

[Biohazard EX]

Well, I WAS following the franchise until I realized the franchise wandered somewhere where I REALLY didn't want it to. After RE4, I had my hopes for UC, but that disappointed me just as much, if not more. So I simply denounced it. And no, I'm not following the franchise anymore. I'm not bothering to acknowledge RE4, or UC, or Degeneration, or RE5. I'm not even going to bother renting RE5. I'm done with the games. As far as I'm concerned, anything that happened after Code Veronica is as good as my own imagination.

[beasley23803]

Well, I WAS following the franchise until I realized the franchise wandered somewhere where I REALLY didn't want it to. After RE4, I had my hopes for UC, but that disappointed me just as much, if not more. So I simply denounced it. And no, I'm not following the franchise anymore. I'm not bothering to acknowledge RE4, or UC, or Degeneration, or RE5. I'm not even going to bother renting RE5. I'm done with the games. As far as I'm concerned, anything that happened after Code Veronica is as good as my own imagination.

Oh dear, here we ago again with the "I'm not gonna buy RE5, because everything after CVX sucked".

Oh please, I know that you're going to purchase RE5 as soon as it's released!

[Canas Renvall]

I know I sure as hell am not. My friend said the exact same thing to me.

"I'm not buying RE5."
"Psh, yeah right. You're gonna get that RE itch and you'll buy it."
"Jill dies. 'Nuff said."

That shut him up really fast. I didn't even have to mention that it's Gears of War with parasites instead of aliens. I didn't have to mention the omission of typewriters. I didn't have to mention that Jun Takeuchi seriously considered Akuma from Street Fighter to be in the game.

[beasley23803]

I know I sure as hell am not. My friend said the exact same thing to me.

"I'm not buying RE5."
"Psh, yeah right. You're gonna get that RE itch and you'll buy it."
"Jill dies. 'Nuff said."

That shut him up really fast. I didn't even have to mention that it's Gears of War with parasites instead of aliens. I didn't have to mention the omission of typewriters. I didn't have to mention that Jun Takeuchi seriously considered Akuma from Street Fighter to be in the game.

Wait, you actually think Jill's dead? And therefore you won't buy 5??

......Takes a moment to realize what has just been said.........
............

LOLLMAOROTFL..........jill isn't dead sir.

[CODE_umb87]

I'm not even going to bother renting RE5.

Wow, not even gonna spend $6 on it I see. Well, I think if you were able to give RE4 and UC a try you might as well give 5 a go, but thats just my opinion.
You never know, you might find it somewhat enjoyable.

[beasley23803]

Wow, not even gonna spend $6 on it I see. Well, I think if you were able to give RE4 and UC a try you might as well give 5 a go, but thats just my opinion.
You never know, you might find it somewhat enjoyable.

I believe they'll get it. Especially since it's apart of the main story. Why even bother becoming a member of a fan site and then posting about the game if you don't want anything to do with the series anymore? I just don't believe them.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

I guess I think its a shame because Capcom HAS proved they learn from mistakes. Not that I think they'd count 4 as a mistake, as popular as it was... But I am willing to bet that 5 will be WAY better than 4 and UC...

I mean, look at how shit Devil May Cry 2 was. Then they made 3 and it was so much better.

I can't help but think of the characters though. If I myself had begun to hate the games, I still would be interested in the outcome for the characters and would have to play the game.