First 8 Minutes of Degeneration

[Biohazard EX]

Leon's hair is pure win. Hating on it is blasphemy.
Same for the jacket.

Kids and their poor sense of style these days.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

Poor Leon's jacket... It gets stolen by a Ganado and riddled with bullets when you kill the guy as Ada. ;)

Who said I play the games? I sold off RE4, and denounced the future of the game storyline altogether.

Then I don't understand your continued interest in talking about it. If you've just decided you don't like it anymore, then it just colours your view against anything further, even if it does actually turn out to be good.

The very same thing you just said can easily be applied to the games and Degeneration as well. "The game franchise just covers up a poor narrative with good action." I think that statement is true for RE4, UC and Degeneration as well.

Granted. You certainly have a point. But at least I suffered through the films (the first two more than once) before I decided what I thought of them. I haven't yet formulated an end opinion on Degeneration because I haven't seen it. However, as I do enjoy a lot about the series, I will give it shot before I condemn it.

As for the games, they are far more dependent on the action than the narrative. I actually think it's a good thing that they try to include a decent amount of story. So alright, some parts of the story suck to high heaven, but the parts that are good are very entertaining. Because you personally take control of the action in games, it really does need to be good. It isn't there to cover anything, it's just there to sell the game.

I didn't like 4 as much as a lot of the other games, but I was certainly glad they toned down the amount of back-tracking... Evil, evil back-tracking... <.<

[kevstah2004]

Death to all emo's.

[Becky's Butt]

I don't get it.
Leon was not emo in RE4.

[Yzak]

Whiiile I am all embracing of opinions here, skimming through here out of curiosity made me a sad panda because of all the negativity and downright hate. Though after so many pages I do think it should stop and people who are clearly not going to be happy and do nothing more than talk about how much they think the series sucks should ... stop looking at/replying to the post. Which isn't exactly saying 'no gtfo' but ... come on, now. People who want to enjoy it can't and if you're posting nothing but negative things you're clearly not enjoying it either. An enjoyable forum experience that is not, since I don't bother reading threads on subjects I know are going to make me rage.

But anyway, subject at hand now. FWIW for a 2-hour movie, Degeneration actually had a pretty good storyline. It gets better as it goes on (I have a long summary on my livejournal about it) and while it does make a couple of throwbacks to the older series which was a geeky nostalgia breath for me, it is its own, pretty sturdy story. And the new characters featured were fleshed out to boot, given the running-time of the movie.

As for the little girl, and I'll put this under a spoiler tag even though it's not really a big spoiler, Spoiler:

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she's only in the first part of the movie. She doesn't stick around for long and Claire is not attached to her through the whole thing. If anything, she's interesting to have there because the movie talks a little bit about Claire's path as opposed to Leon's and Chris's, and her meeting the girl was part of what she was doing in Terra-Save.

But yeah, I agree with ... someone in this post. I love RE and have my own ups and downs about it, but I enjoy it like crazy and am invested in the storyline. I also love how it lets itself be joked about because some of it is just that cheesy. I love it but also laugh.

[Jill's Boob]

Leon's hair is pure win. Hating on it is blasphemy.
Same for the jacket.

Notice how his jacket has a "popped collar." So typical of an emo douchebag.

His hair is "pure win?" What is "pure win?" Is that a cool catch phrase like "pwned?" Anyway, Leon's hair is ridiculous. If he's supposed to be this highly trained government agent, he'd know to keep his hair short, so that his opponent could not grab a hold of it and slit his throat. Kind of like how Krauser keeps his hair military short. But I guess it is hip to have bangs (on one side only...a "fop") so damn long that they hang down past the cheek bone. I've seen haircuts like that before, on pencil armed pansies or male hairdressers.

Jesse "The Body" Ventura's character from "Predator" is spinning in his grave. A "Goddamn Sexual Tyrannosaur" is ashamed of what goes for cool nowadays.

I love Resident Evil, but RE4+ Leon irritates me. His demeanor is just laughably bad. Speaking of unintentional hilarity - I hate the live action films not because they're poor excuses for RE, but because they're utter garbage as entertainment. Honestly, "Apocalypse" was on par with one of those films in the line of "Scary Movie" or "Epic Movie" or "Sparta Movie" (or whichever one came out last).

Leon:

[Darkmoon]

Well, the movies have the three basics: T-Virus, Umbrella and Zombies, which are the three essentials that make Resident Evil for me.

Hang on, doesn't Degeneration at least have the T-Virus and Zombies? No idea about Umbrella itself but I imagine it'll at least be involved, even if the company is mosty defunct and in Wesker's hands. Although I've never been sure having Wesker controlling Umbrella, or at least its resources, was such a good idea...but the games and the series both do that. Meh.

The first movie is not a complete pile of crap. It doesn't have any huge and glaring plotholes, like the sequels, but it also isn't exceptional. It's still bad for a horror movie, really. It simply isn't scary, partially because of Alice's emerging Mary-Sueism through the second half of the movie, and partially because lazy beams rack up the most kills.

Why oh why couldn't they have had a running firefight that saw the Umbrella team killed by monster, maybe split off and picked off by the beasties, rather than blended by lazy beams...

Still, it does have a good feel of Resident Evil to it, and, hell, it could have almost been canon. It just fails to be scary and the story is pretty cliche, with the amnesia storyline.

[Jill's Boob]

The first movie is not a complete pile of crap. It doesn't have any huge and glaring plotholes, like the sequels, but it also isn't exceptional. It's still bad for a horror movie, really. It simply isn't scary, partially because of Alice's emerging Mary-Sueism through the second half of the movie, and partially because lazy beams rack up the most kills.

Why oh why couldn't they have had a running firefight that saw the Umbrella team killed by monster, maybe split off and picked off by the beasties, rather than blended by lazy beams...

Some good points. The fact that the laser corridor killed off the majority of the assault team really sabotaged the film. A good horror movie uses its cannon fodder as monster/killer bait...though I admit the laser scene as being the most memorable part of that film. Well, I think the "snapshot" of Milla near the end was also memorable, but I attribute that to my immature youth.

Alice is the absolute worst celluloid character that I can think of, besides maybe anyone played by Vince Diesel or "the Rock."

In fact, I'd almost rather watch "The Marine" on loop than ever watch "Apocalypse" ever again. Dear God, what am I saying? And why have I seen terrible films such as those?

[Biohazard EX]

Hang on, doesn't Degeneration at least have the T-Virus and Zombies? No idea about Umbrella itself but I imagine it'll at least be involved, even if the company is mosty defunct and in Wesker's hands. Although I've never been sure having Wesker controlling Umbrella, or at least its resources, was such a good idea...but the games and the series both do that. Meh.

The first movie is not a complete pile of crap. It doesn't have any huge and glaring plotholes, like the sequels, but it also isn't exceptional. It's still bad for a horror movie, really. It simply isn't scary, partially because of Alice's emerging Mary-Sueism through the second half of the movie, and partially because lazy beams rack up the most kills.

Why oh why couldn't they have had a running firefight that saw the Umbrella team killed by monster, maybe split off and picked off by the beasties, rather than blended by lazy beams...

Still, it does have a good feel of Resident Evil to it, and, hell, it could have almost been canon. It just fails to be scary and the story is pretty cliche, with the amnesia storyline.

Yeah, but Wesker's Umbrella is a completely different Umbrella. I'm not talking about UMBRELLA. I'm talking about a huge pharmaceutical company which is secretly doing T-Virus experiments.

And hey, I said it simply: If Degeneration doesn't reference ANYTHING about RE4 at all, I'd watch it. But I already know that it mentions President Graham, and Hunnigan's in it. So by those grounds alone I shouldn't have even bothered with it. But even then, I gave it a 10 minute chance.
And like I said, you complain that the first movie was Cliche. But Degeneration is so much worse. Already you have a big fatcat boss going, "You call this coffee??" That's the kind of cliche' that even in the 1980s it was parodized.

[Mr_Zombie]

Alice is the absolute worst celluloid character that I can think of, besides maybe anyone played by Vince Diesel or "the Rock.

I wouldn't say that. Alice in Genesis is a likeable character IMO; it's the Apocalypse and Extinction super_OMG_Alice_da_bitch that ruined her character. Damn, she even looks uglier in those two sequels than in the original movie.

[Biohazard EX]

She looked great in Extinction.
In Apocalypse, I don't really see her as a character, rather a plot device.
But in Extinction, they actually gave her a personality again, and I thought she looked very pretty.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

Yeah, she actually looked quite nice in Extinction, I agree... Like she remembered how to eat too!

I hope they fired the wardrobe, hair and make-up artist for her in Apocalypse, seriously... And her personal trainer. Need I repeat 'drowned rat'? What she was wearing was not flattering for a tall, lean woman like herself...

Her original outfit and hair style looked really nice on her. Gave her the illusion of a girlish figure. Extinction's outfit managed to combine a kind femmine look with a more manly, military look and I think it was perfect for the idea of the character and it certainly gave her the illusion of having curves.

I still don't like the films much or the fact that it's all Alice this and Alice that, but that doesn't mean I can't consider these things.

[Jill Lover]

I wouldn't say that. Alice in Genesis is a likeable character IMO; it's the Apocalypse and Extinction super_OMG_Alice_da_bitch that ruined her character. Damn, she even looks uglier in those two sequels than in the original movie.

Absolutely right up there. But I don't really give a d@mn about these movies, so I couldn't care less about them.

[Biohazard EX]

But alas, the movie on trial in this particular thread is Degeneration, not Anderson's trilogy.

[WeskerSexyCheez]

True. We are waaay off topic.

Y'know I have to say that Claire's voice actress is really good, but I have to laugh at Frederick Downing's voice... It's a bit cheesy. ^^;