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  • Originally posted by missvalentine View Post

    honestly that's why i find Chris to be boring, same thing everytime, just wants to protect Claire and kill Wesker, he is your generic action movie hero.

    and no i would say the opposite with his personnel life, id say he is focussing on his personnel life very much so, with his personel quest to find Wesker and kill him, remember in the RE5 trailer "Sheva, you don't have to continue on from her, the mission is over" i suspect he was going after Wesker.

    Jill smokes in Apocalypse, is she super BADASS now too, i never found smoking to be a "cool" thing to do, only a stupid thing, and spikey hair is just a fashion, it's nothing rebellious, and im not sure about the kicked out of USAF thing ill look that up, didn't he just leave after a while?

    i think he was more of a goody two shoes character, and so what if Chris became motivated, so did Jill.

    he is doing what jill does, IMO now that Jill is supposedly dead, Chris is being the one deep in though questioning things, that's what Jill did in RE3, she was questioning if it was all worth it or not, and i don't like how he is a roid monster now, im more scared of Chris than the tiny little ganado running away in terror.

    no i think Chris has barely any character development at all, he just the action man of the series, and in RE5 he has Jill's character traits kind of.

    no Wesker has always been a side enemy, never the main enemy, he is only the main enemy in RE5, Spencer has been the main antagonist of the entire series, it's always been about taking umbrella down, and who is umbrella? Spencer is umbrella.

    Chris VS Wesker is just there personnel little battle, and killing Chris is not even Weskers main goal, Wesker just wants to play with him, other wise he would have just snapped his neck in CVX when they first meet on the island, and i bet in RE5 Wesker will just toy with him the whole way through RE5 as well, this is evident by the fact that in the trailer we see Wesker show of by teleporting and doing back flips while no actual Chris killing occurs.
    Wow. Um...what? Chris is on a personal quest, yes. For the good of mankind. A "personal life," per se, is like hobbies, family, having a dog. Chris is forfeiting all those to stop bio-terror. Chris will sacrifice his own life to stop Wesker. He risks his life in the pursuit of his quest.

    I never said smoking was badass. I said it was "rebellious." As for Jill smoking in "Apocalypse," it is irrelevant. That film is crap. As for being a "goody two-shoes," it's funny that you apply that label to Chris, yet Jill is the mirror image of Chris. If anything, she is more of a goody two-shoes.

    All of your arguments stem from your love for Jill. You even go so far to say that Chris' traits in RE5 are based on Jill. What? That is just dumb.

    Wesker is a "side" villain? What? You make less and less sense with each sentence. Has Wesker not been involved since the beginning? Has his actions and backstabbing not been integral to the fall of Umbrella and continued livelihood of bio-terror?

    Wesker does indeed hate Chris the most. That was solidified with RECV and REUC. Yes, he toys with Chris, but it is only because Wesker needs something to keep himself going. Who else would dedicate their own life to pursuing Wesker to the ends of the Earth other than Chris? Wesker needs an opponent, and he has even used Chris as a pawn in his "game" to do some dirty work.

    It's cool that you like Jill. She is my fave female from the series. But all of your bias really clouds your judgment and makes your arguments incoherent. Jill is way overexposed, and besides Leon, she is the only character to have gotten a game all to herself. You should just kick back and let Chris finally have his day. It's been a LONG time coming (and yet he still has to share it with Sheva).

    Originally posted by Nikkolas View Post
    Chris is in war-torn Africa, on a military mission. He doesn't give two shits about "fashion." This is about survival (hence, survival horror). He's not wearing some ridiculous tube top & low-cut mini like Jill in RE3 or some t-shirt & jeans with a popped collar jacket like Leon in RE4.

    Fashion? Seriously?

    Credibility -25.

    Originally posted by Nikkolas View Post
    @Boob: What? The best action heroes make jokes. Ash Williams, Arnie in most of his movies...the list goes on.
    Except Leon's jokes weren't good. And action hero one-liners are cool & funny because, while they do happen, it is only a few times per film. Whereas Leon was joking every cutscene. He produced the most cringe-worthy dialogue.
    Last edited by Jill's Boob; 11-26-2008, 05:24 AM.

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    • Despite being a protagonist on 2 occasions, Jill isn't half overexposed as Ada is, right now. If you ask anyone (non RE veteran), who's the best female, chances are, they'll say Ada.

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      • Originally posted by Biohazard EX View Post
        Despite being a protagonist on 2 occasions, Jill isn't half overexposed as Ada is, right now. If you ask anyone (non RE veteran), who's the best female, chances are, they'll say Ada.
        True. But Jill used to be the face of RE, prior to RE4 and its introduction of Neo (Leon) & Trinity (Ada). It makes me laugh so hard that people think it is normal for a government agent to have ninja moves and the haircut of one of those children from "The Suite Life of Zack & Cody." Or that his femme fatale love interest is running around a war zone in a skimpy red dress, and swinging through the air like Spider-Man with a (gas powered?) grappling gun.

        Anyway, Jill was in RE1, the first to get her own game in RE3, she was in the most scenarios for REUC, she was in Marvel -vs- Capcom 2, and numerous other games. She's had her time. I still love her, but for crying out loud...share the love.

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        • If you ask anyone (non RE veteran), who's the best female, chances are, they'll say Ada.
          She is. Jill isn't anything special. Nor is Claire.

          Anyway
          These are real soldiers with real soldier haircuts. Leon is supposed to be a government agent. With a haircut like that? He's a joke.
          I mean imagine Leon in a suit and sunglasses, standing guard at some presidential press conference. I'd laugh.
          He should wear his Mafia outfit. Less conspicuous.

          Chris is in war-torn Africa, on a military mission. He doesn't give two shits about "fashion." This is about survival (hence, survival horror). He's not wearing some ridiculous tube top & low-cut mini like Jill in RE3 or some t-shirt & jeans with a popped collar jacket like Leon in RE4.

          Fashion? Seriously?

          Credibility -25.
          Fashion is always important. I'm sure the people making htese games spent a great deal of time and effort on Chris' look.
          Also, fashion is a big part of Wesker's appeal. His glasses, the gloves, the hair, all a large part of why many people like Wesker and say he's "badass". Of course he's not. he's a two-bit villain brought back because Capcom had no better ideas but he's nevertheless here to stay and I'm sure he'll remain looking suave in RE5.

          Why? Because fashion is important.

          Except Leon's jokes weren't good. And action hero one-liners are cool & funny because, while they do happen, it is only a few times per film. Whereas Leon was joking every cutscene. He produced the most cringe-worthy dialogue.
          More cringe-worthy than the ending moments of Steve? Or Nicholai revealing his evil plan before dying/flying away?
          Not really. Those two are equally cliche and bland.
          Last edited by Becky's Butt; 11-26-2008, 05:33 AM.

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          • No, I'd disagree. Honestly, that's the thing. Before RE4 came along, the face of Resident Evil was pale and decomposing. What did people identify RE with? Zombies. If someone was talking about RE, they'd say, "Oh yeah, man, I remember playing it! It was so freaky running away from the zombies!"

            Originally posted by Nikkolas View Post
            Fashion is always important. I'm sure the people making htese games spent a great deal of time and effort on Chris' look.
            Also, fashion is a big part of Wesker's appeal. His glasses, the gloves, the hair, all a large part of why many people like Wesker and say he's "badass". Of course he's not. he's a two-bit villain brought back because Capcom had no better ideas but he's nevertheless here to stay and I'm sure he'll remain looking suave in RE5.

            Why? Because fashion is important.
            There's a difference between fashion and costume design. Yes, a great deal of time and effort was put into designing the costumes, but that doesn't mean they all have to look like they're from a Calvin Klein catalogue. A great deal of time and effort was put into designing Nemesis, the zombies, etc. But that doesn't mean I'd wear ragged torn up bloody clothing as a fashion statement.
            Last edited by Biohazard EX; 11-26-2008, 05:38 AM.

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            • You got a point there. But my statement about Wesker is dead-on IMO.

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              • Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                Wow. Um...what? Chris is on a personal quest, yes. For the good of mankind. A "personal life," per se, is like hobbies, family, having a dog. Chris is forfeiting all those to stop bio-terror. Chris will sacrifice his own life to stop Wesker. He risks his life in the pursuit of his quest.
                so you think Chris never sits at homewatching TV or goes out for dinner with his girlfriend if he has a girl friend?

                im pretty sure Chris has a personell life as well, look at his special constume in Remake, im pretty sure he used to roam the streets with his homies with that.

                and im sure he still does.


                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                I never said smoking was badass. I said it was "rebellious." As for Jill smoking in "Apocalypse," it is irrelevant. That film is crap. As for being a "goody two-shoes," it's funny that you apply that label to Chris, yet Jill is the mirror image of Chris. If anything, she is more of a goody two-shoes.
                um..no, Jill is opposite of Chris, and no i dont think she is a goody two shoes kind of girl.

                Jill and Chris are not the same at all.

                Jill was always talking about her feelings and thinking about things, while Chris was just silent as usual.

                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                All of your arguments stem from your love for Jill. You even go so far to say that Chris' traits in RE5 are based on Jill. What? That is just dumb.
                oh noes, you discoved my secret love for Jill,XD.

                i didn't discover that, SOS shadowstorm on gamefaqs was making a point about Chris in RE5 and about Jill, and i noticed that it seems now that jill is supposedly dead, capcom have almost recycled her character into Chris.

                notice in the trailer Chris seems to be talking about his feelings a lot, just like Jill used to do.

                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                Wesker is a "side" villain? What? You make less and less sense with each sentence. Has Wesker not been involved since the beginning? Has his actions and backstabbing not been integral to the fall of Umbrella and continued livelihood of bio-terror?
                just because he was the main VISIBLE villain in the series doesn't mean he is the primary antogonist, Spencer has always been the main bad guy, cause he was umbrellas head.

                now he is the main antagonist, but not always.

                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                Wesker does indeed hate Chris the most. That was solidified with RECV and REUC. Yes, he toys with Chris, but it is only because Wesker needs something to keep himself going. Who else would dedicate their own life to pursuing Wesker to the ends of the Earth other than Chris? Wesker needs an opponent, and he has even used Chris as a pawn in his "game" to do some dirty work.
                yes Wesker hates Chris, but that's kind off pointless, i mean Chris never did anything to Wesker other than call him senile, it was Weskers fault the Tyrant died, and Chris had help killing the Tyrant, why not go after Jill, Rebecca and Barry as well? i never played UC myself, yet but from what ive heard it seems like a big add for Chris VS Wesker round 2 in RE5.

                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                It's cool that you like Jill. She is my fave female from the series. But all of your bias really clouds your judgment and makes your arguments incoherent. Jill is way overexposed, and besides Leon, she is the only character to have gotten a game all to herself. You should just kick back and let Chris finally have his day. It's been a LONG time coming (and yet he still has to share it with Sheva).
                im not angry that Chris finally has his own game, (well half a game) it's just i never really liked his character much.

                and i really do not like his exessive roid useage at all.

                i mean yeah, sure Kratos and Duke Nukem are awesome, but this is a horror game, im not gonne feel even slightly scared cortrolling that "thing", id rather play through as Sheva the whole time, why cant we just have normal Chris from Remake back.
                Last edited by missvalentine; 11-26-2008, 05:43 AM.

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                • Originally posted by Nikkolas View Post
                  She is. Jill isn't anything special. Nor is Claire.
                  Neither is Ada. Besides a plot device much like in your description of Wesker. She's a two-bit player brought back from the dead because Capcom didn't have any better ideas.

                  This is without even trying to take Ada seriously. A female spy who swings through the air via a grappling gun in a slinky red dress (without space for spare ammo much less a med kit). Whereas the tactical get-up in "Assignment Ada" was believable, the simple red dress was freaking retarded. But, I guess it is all about the "fashion," no?

                  Fashion is always important. I'm sure the people making htese games spent a great deal of time and effort on Chris' look.
                  Also, fashion is a big part of Wesker's appeal. His glasses, the gloves, the hair, all a large part of why many people like Wesker and say he's "badass". Of course he's not. he's a two-bit villain brought back because Capcom had no better ideas but he's nevertheless here to stay and I'm sure he'll remain looking suave in RE5.
                  Wesker's wardrobe reflects his arrogant, egotistical demeanor. Wesker can look that way because he can overpower and kill just about anyone. Plus, he's got the resources.

                  And yes, the developers spent time in designing Chris. But notice how he doesn't look effeminate? Leon's hair in RE4 actually managed to get worse than it was in RE2, which is an unbelievably hard feat to accomplish.

                  More cringe-worthy than the ending moments of Steve? Or Nicholai revealing his evil plan before dying/flying away?
                  Not really. Those two are equally cliche and bland.
                  Those are just small snippets of dialogue from entire (and separate) games. Leon sustained poor dialogue, cliched comments, and laughably bad quips throughout a 25-30 hour game - which is about as long as 2-3 of the other entries in the series combined!
                  Last edited by Jill's Boob; 11-26-2008, 05:45 AM.

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                  • Neither is Ada. Besides a plot device much like in your description of Wesker. She's a two-bit player brought back from the dead because Capcom didn't have any better ideas.
                    Ada was "dead" for like 5 minutes. Then she threw you a rocket launcher. She didn't appear in anymore games because well, she didn't belong in anymore until RE4.

                    Those are just small snippets of dialogue from entire (and separate) games. Leon sustained poor dialogue, cliched comments, and laughably bad quips throughout a 25-30 hour game - which is about as long as 2-3 of the other entries in the series combined!
                    His amount of quips are exaggerated. I'd say they are in maybe, at most, half of all scenes he is in.
                    Last edited by Becky's Butt; 11-26-2008, 05:44 AM.

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                    • Originally posted by Nikkolas View Post
                      You got a point there. But my statement about Wesker is dead-on IMO.
                      Yeah, well, I'm not gonna say it's a good wardrobe design. "I'll wear a black trench coat to Africa, I'm not gonna be hot at all!"
                      If it were up to me, whenever Wesker is out in the field, he'd wear something more military like. But it's not up to me. And either way I don't have to worry about it, since I'm not gonna be bothering with RE5 anyway. So its storyline, narrative, setting, characters, costumes, mean nothing to me anyway.

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                      • Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                        It makes me laugh so hard that people think it is normal for a government agent to have ninja moves and the haircut of one of those children from "The Suite Life of Zack & Cody."
                        If Matrix was here, he'd laugh too.
                        See you in hell.

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                        • Originally posted by missvalentine View Post
                          im pretty sure Chris has a personell life as well, look at his special constume in Remake, im pretty sure he used to roam the streets with his homies with that.
                          Chris's 2nd unlockable costume in REmake is a tribute to the film "The Mexican." Nothing more, nothing less. Unless, in your mind, since one of Jill's unlockable costumes in REmake is a tribute to Sarah Connor, means that Jill fights Cyberdine model Terminators in her spare time.

                          um..no, Jill is opposite of Chris, and no i dont think she is a goody two shoes kind of girl.

                          Jill and Chris are not the same at all.

                          Jill was always talking about her feelings and thinking about things, while Chris was just silent as usual.
                          Chris & Jill are pretty similar. And - for crying out loud - Jill spent RE1 interacting with Barry a lot more than Chris spent with Rebecca, so obviously Jill had more dialogue there. Then, Jill got HER OWN GAME in RE3, so we were able to really see her character fleshed out and she has more dialogue (of course). Chris's next appearance was in RECV, where he only got 50% of the game to do anything, and he was mostly solo with not much time or people to even talk to.

                          As for you thinking Chris & Jill are very different...post a poll on this website to prove me wrong. Ask if people think Chris & Jill are similar, or if they are different - personality wise. I guarantee you'll see most RE fans think Chris & Jill are of the same mold. The "goody two shoes" mold. Almost all RE heroes have been similar, until the series strayed into la-la land with RE4.

                          i didn't discover that, SOS shadowstorm on gamefaqs was making a point about Chris in RE5 and about Jill, and i noticed that it seems now that jill is supposedly dead, capcom have almost recycled her character into Chris.

                          notice in the trailer Chris seems to be talking about his feelings a lot, just like Jill used to do.
                          You have deduced this based on...on the maybe 5 minutes (combined total) of trailers for RE5? You have deduced that Chris is now displaying all of Jill's traits?

                          just because he was the main VISIBLE villain in the series doesn't mean he is the primary antogonist, Spencer has always been the main bad guy, cause he was umbrellas head.

                          now he is the main antagonist, but not always.
                          Let's see...Wesker orchestrated the fall of Umbrella. Wesker has since revived Umbrella, with him as the resident megalomaniacal leader. Wesker was there from RE0 - RE5, even in the shadows.

                          yes Wesker hates Chris, but that's kind off pointless, i mean Chris never did anything to Wesker other than call him senile, it was Weskers fault the Tyrant died, and Chris had help killing the Tyrant, why not go after Jill, Rebecca and Barry as well? i never played UC myself, yet but from what ive heard it seems like a big add for Chris VS Wesker round 2 in RE5.

                          im not angry that Chris finally has his own game, (well half a game) it's just i never really liked his character much.

                          and i really do not like his exessive roid useage at all.

                          i mean yeah, sure Kratos and Duke Nukem are awesome, but this is a horror game, im not gonne feel even slightly scared cortrolling that "thing", id rather play through as Sheva the whole time, why cant we just have normal Chris from Remake back.
                          The plot in RECV set up the Chris -vs- Wesker dynamic. And it was built up in REUC for the next showdown in RE5. Just because you don't like Chris doesn't mean none of this is real, or that Chris is somehow a steroid fueled monstrosity who is eating up Jill's screen time. Please.

                          Chris has worked out to gain some leverage against Wesker. He got his ass handed to him in RECV, so physical improvement is completely plausible. Much more plausible than Jill running around RC in a tube top and skimpy skirt while fighting a 10-foot assassin monster.

                          And speaking of feeling scared...did anything in RE4 make you feel the slightest bit of fear for the lives of Ada or Leon when you played as them? No. So I'm guessing you really won't feel much fear for Chris in RE5 anyway.
                          Last edited by Jill's Boob; 11-26-2008, 06:02 AM.

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                          • @Spencer: I don't think anyone considers that kind of hair "normal."
                            Nor do they consider the STARS heroes normal. I understood the credentials of the STARS members in the military and stuff were largely laughed at considering their age.
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                            • i doubt even half of the government agents could even do a back-flip

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                              • Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                Chris's 2nd unlockable costume in REmake is a tribute to the film "The Mexican." Nothing more, nothing less. Unless, in your mind, since one of Jill's unlockable costumes in REmake is a tribute to Sarah Connor, means that Jill fights Cyberdine model Terminators in her spare time.
                                yeah they were homages to other movies, but they still tie in to the canon, that was Jill's delta force uniform i suspect.


                                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                Chris & Jill are pretty similar. And - for crying out loud - Jill spent RE1 interacting with Barry a lot more than Chris spent with Rebecca, so obviously Jill had more dialogue there. Then, Jill got HER OWN GAME in RE3, so we were able to really see her character fleshed out and she has more dialogue (of course). Chris's next appearance was in RECV, where he only got 50% of the game to do anything, and he was mostly solo with not much time or people to even talk to.
                                well capcom could have easily made Chris and Rebecca interact more, in Chris's game i almost got bored with the lack of cutscenes.


                                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                As for you thinking Chris & Jill are very different...post a poll on this website to prove me wrong. Ask if people think Chris & Jill are similar, or if they are different - personality wise. I guarantee you'll see most RE fans think Chris & Jill are of the same mold. The "goody two shoes" mold. Almost all RE heroes have been similar, until the series strayed into la-la land with RE4.
                                ok i will, on here and gamefaqs, i disagree, all the characters have different personalitys, Chris is the silent one who keeps everything to himself, jill is the femme fatal of the series and proves girls can do it as well, Claire is a hot baby sitter you always wanted, and Leon is the newbish cop who somehow survives to say another one liner.

                                but that is just a really basic descrition of them all.


                                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                You have deduced this based on...on the maybe 5 minutes (combined total) of trailers for RE5? You have deduced that Chris is now displaying all of Jill's traits?
                                well "trailer Chris" has stolen Jill's personality then.


                                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                Let's see...Wesker orchestrated the fall of Umbrella. Wesker has since revived Umbrella, with him as the resident megalomaniacal leader. Wesker was there from RE0 - RE5, even in the shadows.
                                yes, but Spencer is the main villain of the series, he planned it all from the beginning, Wesker may have taken him down, but Spencer was there before Wesker.


                                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                Chris has worked out to gain some leverage against Wesker. He got his ass handed to him in RECV, so physical improvement is completely plausible. Much more plausible than Jill running around RC in a tube top and skimpy skirt while fighting a 10-foot assassin monster.
                                yes im sure he went to the gym and doesn't even know what roids are, they didn't have to make him a Duke Nuken clone, and he is still gonna get his ass kicked by Wesker in RE5 now that Wesker can teleport.

                                Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                                And speaking of feeling scared...did anything in RE4 make you feel the slightest bit of fear for the lives of Ada or Leon when you played as them? No. So I'm guessing you really won't feel much fear for Chris in RE5 anyway.
                                no i never felt scared in RE4 except, well nothing compared to the classics anyway, but still, if RE5 manages to be less scary that RE4, it's becaue Chris is a roid monster.

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