Best script?

[Becky's Butt]

And good day to you.

[Biohazard EX]

Not quite. His motives were completely invented in RE4.
See, Pre-RE4, Umbrella still existed as its own company.
Thus Wesker couldn't exactly establish a new Umbrella could he?
So, RE4 established Wesker's intentions.



How?
Claire didn't change in RE2.
Chris and Jill haven't changed in RE1, 3 or CVX except Jill hated Umbrella and its employees for maybe one scene than got over it and hang with Carlos.
Rabecca actually kinda devolved in RE1 from REZero.
And really it goes on.

But it's not like at the beginning of RE4 Umbrella still existed. Even that would've been called development. But no, they start off with, "Umbrella's gone" which means, they start off with ,"Wesker wants to reestablish umbrella."
That development happened BEFORE RE4, and as we have been shown, it happened in the ever awful Umbrella Chronicles.

In RE1, and RE2, it was different characters, the fact alone that they started off being normal people, living normal lives, and then introduced to this horrible thing that jaded them forever, and changed their lives. They ended it VERY different from how they started it.
By RE4, Leon was already Jaded, it's not like 'different monsters' would've changed him, and we can see that it didn't.

In RE3, at the very least, Carlos witnessed some significant development. He learned not to trust his employer, he was forced to grow spiritually stronger, by taking care of Jill, and taking responsibility...
One conversation he says, "Do you think we can trust their great evacuation plan..." He was basically giving up on his life then. By the time Jill got infected, he saved her, they met up at the water treatment facility, he was ready to fight for his life, "This isn't over", he said, even AFTER the helicopter crashed. That's major character development there.

[News Bot]

I'll say this once, get back on topic and cut the moronic argument out.

[Alexia_Ashford]

RE4 had Krauser saying clearly "All for Umbrella's sake..." Krauser being a flunky of Wesker.

Wesker has no interest in reviving Umbrella. If you actually PLAYED Umbrella Chronicles, you'd have seen him tell Sergei that Umbrella is a sinking ship, one he doesn't want to be on. Wesker even sold Umbrella out and gave evidence against them. So Krauser must have been deluded too, then.

I see. So Spencer isn't important to the plot of the other RE games because he's "only mentioned". Gotcha.
Spencer was a lead factor behind the RE games' story

Spencer was the CEO of Umbrella, he made the entire plot happen, he helped create the viruses and he is important to the games. The games wouldn't exist without him.

Wesker was the lead factor behind RE4's story.

What the f*ck! RE4 was about Los Illuminados, and Leon trying to save the day. It has nothing to do with Wesker. Give me one thing then, in the original version of the game, that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Wesker? I can't think of one damned thing. Wesker was only interested in securing a sample. That's it. He did not alter the main "plot" (so it's called) of the story. *Lays my bullshit card flat out on the table.*

[Becky's Butt]

I already deleted my posts so I'm stopping this off-topic discussion.

[Biohazard EX]

I'm discussing character development in a topic about scripts... I'd say that's on topic.

[News Bot]

I'm discussing character development in a topic about scripts... I'd say that's on topic.

I wasn't specifically aiming that at you.

[Alexia_Ashford]

It is on topic. The only thing being that RE4 debates, especially of this type, can tend to get a little "heated" in forum debates. But no moderators have complained and I don't see any flaming going on, so I don't know why there'd be a problem. These same debates have happened numerous times on numerous forums though, with the same members.. *Yawn*. Bed time for me.

[Biohazard EX]

I wasn't specifically aiming that at you.

I was replying to Nikkolas... But maybe he wasn't talking to me either...

You know, that part about Carlos and character development... It wasn't until just now, that I realized it, when I actually thought about it... And it actually helped me earn more respect for Carlos. He's a deeper character than I realized.

[Becky's Butt]

Wesker has no interest in reviving Umbrella. If you actually PLAYED Umbrella Chronicles, you'd have seen him tell Sergei that Umbrella is a sinking ship, one he doesn't want to be on. Wesker even sold Umbrella out and gave evidence against them. So Krauser must have been deluded too, then.

That was the old Umbrella. Wesker is starting up his own thing with himself at the top.

Spencer was the CEO of Umbrella, he made the entire plot happen, he helped create the viruses and he is important to the games. The games wouldn't exist without him.

Exactly.

What the f*ck! RE4 was about Los Illuminados, and Leon trying to save the day. It has nothing to do with Wesker. Give me one thing then, in the original version of the game, that wouldn't have happened if it weren't for Wesker?

I already told you. Krauser is only there with Saddler because of Wesker. Changing things like "well if Wesker wasn't the person who sent him..." doesn't amount to anything. The fact is, it was Wesker who sent Ada and Krauser there. (well Ada had alterior motives for going there) So No Krauser, no kidnapped Ashley, no game.

In RE3, at the very least, Carlos witnessed some significant development. He learned not to trust his employer, he was forced to grow spiritually stronger, by taking care of Jill, and taking responsibility...
One conversation he says, "Do you think we can trust their great evacuation plan..." He was basically giving up on his life then. By the time Jill got infected, he saved her, they met up at the water treatment facility, he was ready to fight for his life, "This isn't over", he said, even AFTER the helicopter crashed. That's major character development there.

Good point.

But it's not like at the beginning of RE4 Umbrella still existed. Even that would've been called development. But no, they start off with, "Umbrella's gone" which means, they start off with ,"Wesker wants to reestablish umbrella."
That development happened BEFORE RE4, and as we have been shown, it happened in the ever awful Umbrella Chronicles.

That makes no sense. At all.
Whatever changes from game to game, that's development. Leon is different in RE4 because he was developed from the pansy he was in RE2. He's become more controlled and distant to Ada but still has feelings for her. He just prioritizes the mission.
So, growth. Just because it happened in-between games doesn't make it any less valid.

[Alexia_Ashford]

That was the old Umbrella. Wesker is starting up his own thing with himself at the top.

Yeah, he is. And that new company is not called "Umbrella", therefore your argument makes no sense.

I already told you. Krauser is only there with Saddler because of Wesker. Changing things like "well if Wesker wasn't the person who sent him..." doesn't amount to anything. The fact is, it was Wesker who sent Ada and Krauser there. (well Ada had alterior motives for going there) So No Krauser, no kidnapped Ashley, no game.

That, my friend, I call B.S on. What you just argued is not the fact that Wesker influenced the plot, it's that Wesker provided the tools. If you take Wesker out of the equation, everything would have happened exactly the same. Saddler would have found someone else to kidnap Ashley, for Los Illuminados, for their own private reasons, completely unrelated to Wesker. President Graham would have still asked someone to search for his missing daughter, and Ashley would have still been on the same Island. Wesker did not influence nor change the plot in any way. That is what "being the focus of the plot" is sort of about, you know.

[Biohazard EX]

Look, I'm not gonna call you ignorant or anything, Nikkolas. But you seem to misunderstand the definition of character development. Like I said, the very basic idea is that when the game starts the character is one way, and when the game ends, then that character is different somehow.

Now, a good way to do this would've been to kill Ashley. Think about this:
Ashley had the parasite longer than Leon. If Leon used that machine on her and it actually killed her, it would've given Leon that much more anger toward Los Illuminados, and he could've showed up to the battle with Saddler, not going, "Ts-heh, You're going down" attitude, but rather a, "You goddamn bastard! You're gonna die for this!" He could've had more anger in him. It would have made SO MUCH MORE sense if Ashley died in that chair.

[Mr. Spencer]

Something tells me that "S" was merely a placeholder name for TriCell.

[Becky's Butt]

Yeah, he is. And that new company is not called "Umbrella", therefore your argument makes no sense.

And the name of the new company is?
Because all evidence from RE4 says it's Umbrella.
Maybe it's changed in RE5 but I don't think we know that yet.

That, my friend, I call B.S on. What you just argued is not the fact that Wesker influenced the plot, it's that Wesker provided the tools. If you take Wesker out of the equation, everything would have happened exactly the same. Saddler would have found someone else to kidnap Ashley, for Los Illuminados, for their own private reasons, completely unrelated to Wesker. President Graham would have still asked someone to search for his missing daughter, and Ashley would have still been on the same Island. Wesker did not influence nor change the plot in any way. That is what "being the focus of the plot" is sort of about, you know.

Again, I. Don't. Care.
Your version of the game, where Wesker didn't order Krauser there, doesn't exist.
What DOES exist is Krauser was ordered there on Wesker's orders and is doing everything for Wesker.
Fact. End of story.

But if you want more, there's Ada. She too was ordered there by Wesker. Afterall, you said we're only using the original game and that stuff with The Organization is all from SW.
So no Ada, everything is changed as Leon dies. There also is no one to take the Master Sample from Leon at the end of the game.

[News Bot]

Something tells me that "S" was merely a placeholder name for TriCell.

I'm pretty sure it was.

"S" is such a stupid name for a company.