The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[Rakkoon]

It's nice how I got ignored.

Darkmoon, I tried to show you how things look when you stop thinking about what you consider believable. Thanks for understanding.

[Vector]

I don't see hooker boots on Jill. They don't have a 5" heel and they end below the knee. I see stylish brown low-heeled designer boots.

Those type of boots worn with that type of skirt...it accentuates the thighs.
When people think thighs, they think about what's between a woman's thighs.
Which is...TA-DAH!

Same goes for the rest of Jill's apparel.

Oh so now it's a designer tube top? And that's a designer mini-skirt? Shit, now I get it...she's a fucking fashion guru.
Boy, do I feel stupid.

I didn't find Jill sexy in her 'pixelated glory'. That's twisted.

If it's twisted, than why are we having this argument? Women are symbols of sex wherever they are, be it movies, music or games...that's what it's all about. Women are presented as sexual objects, and that's it.

'Smart' and 'tough' are personal qualities, and while they may be good qualities, I don't see how this is sex appeal.

Well, maybe not for you, but I appreciate a girl who is more than just tits and ass. I like a girl with substance, who can stand up for herself in an argument or discussion, and who has a fucking brain in their head and not their breasts. That's what's sexy to me. Nothing pisses me off more than this Paris Hilton-types who make being a fucking moron out to be cool and cute.

Tits popping out of a tube top is sex appeal, plain and simple.

No shit, but the way women are portrayed in media makes it seem as though they CAN'T be sexy unless their heaving breasts are popping out of a tank top, or their ass is shaking in tight jeans, or their skinny waist is showing. THAT'S the problem I have. It's on TV, it's in movies, it's on fashion show runways and it's in video games. Wherever it is, it's dumbing down little girls everywhere.

Fan service to the side, aesthetic value also counts here.

Okay, well, in this case, 'aesthetic value' = sexual thought-provoking attire = FAN-SERVICE.

[Darkmoon]

You mean this? I missed it first time around. Sorry 'bout that. Too many posts, too little time.

Okay, I agree with you and see where you're coming from. But that's not my point. We're talking about different things here.

I ENJOY the fact that Jill is all the things you mentioned (DF, S.TA.R.S., smart, trained, etc.), AND dresses that way at the same time (boobtube & miniskirt). If her character was that of a bimbo and Resident Evil was Dead Or Alive, the sexy clothes would mean nothing to me. I mean, I wouldn't find anything special or interesting about that, so probably I wouldn't even notice it. But having Jill dress that way while she is supposed to be a character who 'knows better than that' is the very thing I appreaciate so much. It's just crazy contrast I enjoy.

The lack of believability is what bothers you. No, it's not sensible to slip into a tube top and a short skirt under the given circumstances. But then again, how do you know Jill wouldn't do it just for the heck of it? How do you know she's not crazy enough to do whatever the hell she wants to? A fictional character is there to present a human being after all, with all their screwed up emotions, wrong reasoning, irrationalities and illogicalness. Not everything is supposed to make sense. That's the most unrealistic thing, everything making perfect sense.

Other than that, the Japanese are usually fashion oriented people. They could have made something cool, sexy, AND realistic all at once, but that would have been boring. Yes, boring. The tube top and the mini skirt, other than pure fan service, were not simply a sexualization of Jill's character (and I don't think sex symbolization is that much of a terrible thing, although it does come with numerous side effects), but they (the clothes) were also an aesthetical element that added much to the character's appeal as well as the game's appeal in general.

In some cases, I am willing to compromise believability for the sake of other things. In other cases, the lack of believability makes things all the more interesting, and sometimes even more real.

Now, if a boobtubed Jill bothers you for the whole ridicilousness of it, it is for the very same reason that I find it a good idea. It's all about how you look at it.


P.S. I like Steve. I know many people dislike him, but I feel it's pure bias.

Your argument makes somewhat more sense than, 'It was hot' or 'She was out clubbing.' I suppose it's possible Jill has that daredevil nature. I don't imagine a normal girl would make it into Delta Force, or S.T.A.R.S.

That being said, I don't think it's the case. We've seen nothing of her taking huge and unnecessary risks. And I don't believe someone with her background would take such risks. You take stupid risks in a combat situation and people die. Jill was part of two elite groups. I can't imagine someone that reckless would make it to one.

I'm not entirely sure I understand the whole of your argument, though. I think I got the main part there but a few parts seem to suggest a second thread I'm missing.

[ValentineKnight]

Is it getting hot in here or what? and do you mind telling me just how Jill's character was effected by her RE3 outfit?She seems the same to me.Oh and couldn't you change her outfit in RE3 anyway so what's wrong?

[Darkmoon]

Yes, you can change her outfit. And yes, I do.

What was wrong with the outfit? It makes her look like someone more obsessed with being sexy that her own survival in short. The clothes aren't comfortable and offer no protection. There only advantage? Looking sexy. In other words...the clothes are dumb.

Since Jill isn't supposed to be dumb...

[Darinl1979]

I think alot of people are forgetting that Jill Valentine is fictional and only has the kind of personality or dress code that Capcom wants her to have. Jill is fine. If you want to argue over the personality that she is given then fine. Play the game, does she act at all slutty? I dont remember a scene in Resident Evil 3 where she bent over and slapped her ass and said "Hey Carlos, give me some ammo". She acted as normal as anyone would during an outbreak like that and not once did she act slutty as people would label her as. Way too many people are going too far in depth and being way over analytical over her dress attire. I look at it as her just dressing that way because she can, and its not even that bad.

And people keep calling it a "fan-service". Why because they dressed her in sexy attire? If it was a fan-service you would constantly see in every cut scene...stupid arousing poses and upskirts galore. I dont know what Resident Evil 3 you guys played but that wasn't in mine. And not even that, its one game! Her canon attire for her other appearances are never mentioned. By the logic of people who dislike her and only use her dress choices as a reason...then she should of showed up in UC: Russia wearing lingerie and thigh high stockings.

[Darkmoon]

...or it could simply be the dress choice makes no sense for her character, which is what I'm complaining about.

Look, I'll go leave now if someone sits up and says, 'You know, given all I know about zombies, the outfit of choice is one that's tight on my thighs and chest and provides plenty of bare skin for them to bite!' Mostly because I'll be laughing my head off but hey.

The only reason, the only one, for that outfit is because it's sexy. Does it fit the character and situation? No.

And have I ever, anywhere, said I didn't like the character? I'm quite fond of Jill...which is why I find the idea of her being slapped in a boob toob and skirt so retarded.

[Mr_Zombie]

If it was a fan-service you would constantly see in every cut scene...stupid arousing poses and upskirts galore.

There's many times in REmake when Jill lands on her butt and camera happens to be just in front of her...
That famous scene from UC with zombie between Jill's legs...
Jill wearing her RE3 costume in Pachinco machine game, when her top and skirt tear during the final fight with Tyrant (IMG).

Yep, I'm sure that wasn't intentional, not at all...


I have nothing against women in skimpy sexy suits (as you can see here: LINK), it's just that defending Jill's (Capcom's) choice about her clothes in RE3 is really really stupid.
And there's a lot of clothes that look sexy AND are practical.

[Rakkoon]

You know, this could last forever. It's still kind of fun though, so I think I'll keep going for now. After all this is the Jill topic.

Those type of boots worn with that type of skirt...it accentuates the thighs.
When people think thighs, they think about what's between a woman's thighs.
Which is...TA-DAH!

Still, that's not hooker appeal. And when I see thighs I don't automatically think of what's between them. I take my time just admiring...the thighs. How wearing those boots with that skirt and exposing those thighs makes Jill a hooker is beyond me.

Oh so now it's a designer tube top? And that's a designer mini-skirt? Shit, now I get it...she's a fucking fashion guru.
Boy, do I feel stupid.

Sarcasm. Okay. Let's leave fashion out for now.

If it's twisted, than why are we having this argument? Women are symbols of sex wherever they are, be it movies, music or games...that's what it's all about. Women are presented as sexual objects, and that's it.

It's twisted to like a bunch of squares more than a tube top.

Well, maybe not for you, but I appreciate a girl who is more than just tits and ass. I like a girl with substance, who can stand up for herself in an argument or discussion, and who has a fucking brain in their head and not their breasts. That's what's sexy to me. Nothing pisses me off more than this Paris Hilton-types who make being a fucking moron out to be cool and cute.

I appreciate what you appreciate. But I appreciate more what you appreciate plus what I appreciate all in one. Meaning the substance AND the boob tube. Both together. The boob tube doesn't always mean lack of substance, and the lack of a boob tube doesn't always mean a whole lot of substance. The Paris Hilton reference was irrelevant.

No shit, but the way women are portrayed in media makes it seem as though they CAN'T be sexy unless their heaving breasts are popping out of a tank top, or their ass is shaking in tight jeans, or their skinny waist is showing. That's the problem I have.

This is where I agree with you. But trust me, the right women, they know the power of a good cleavage, but they also know when to stop popping your eyes out with it. And when to start all over again. It's the dumb ones who constantly stick it in your face, and it's sad there's quite a bit of those. Jill Valentine, she's definitely not the second type.

Okay, well, in this case, 'aesthetic value' = sexual thought-provoking attire = FAN-SERVICE.

Nope. Well, yes, sometimes. Not always.
Aesthetic value + artistic qualities = good looking art. Not necessarily solely aimed at pleasing horny teenagers.

[P Anderson DIE]

God still on this. Get over it man worst things have happened in the Resi franchise Geez.

[Vector]

It's twisted to like a bunch of squares more than a tube top.]

But, then, it isn't twisted to like a bunch of squares that just so happens to be wearing a tube top?

[Rakkoon]

You mean this? I missed it first time around. Sorry 'bout that. Too many posts, too little time.



Your argument makes somewhat more sense than, 'It was hot' or 'She was out clubbing.' I suppose it's possible Jill has that daredevil nature. I don't imagine a normal girl would make it into Delta Force, or S.T.A.R.S.

That being said, I don't think it's the case. We've seen nothing of her taking huge and unnecessary risks. And I don't believe someone with her background would take such risks. You take stupid risks in a combat situation and people die. Jill was part of two elite groups. I can't imagine someone that reckless would make it to one.

I'm not entirely sure I understand the whole of your argument, though. I think I got the main part there but a few parts seem to suggest a second thread I'm missing.

Your reasoning is fine, it makes sense, and it's logical. But it's your reasoning. Jill is the epitome of 'good', but she could be a serial killer for all you know. Nothing suggest that, it doesn't make any sense at all, but it's totally possible. So yeah, she can wear what she wears in RE3 anytime. It's certainly not wise, but it's entirely possible.

[Rakkoon]

But, then, it isn't twisted to like a bunch of squares that just so happens to be wearing a tube top?

No, because they no longer look like squares

[ValentineKnight]

God still on this. Get over it man worst things have happened in the Resi franchise Geez.

Agreed...so who want's Jill playable in RE5 or RE6?

[Vector]

No, because they no longer look like squares

But in reality, that's all Jill Valentine really is.

And I think that's what some people in this thread need to get through their heads(not you, Rakkoon).