The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[JillLovesChris]

I remember this, they said "there would be something in Re5 that would shock the fans". I always asumed it was something to do with Jill but now I think the whole Jill thing is like a distraction like they gonna tease you with something then hit you with something else.

The whole BMW/Jill speculation seems to be a good red herring to cover up a bigger twist in the tale with 5, so I am hoping that Capcom still have some major WTF moments to come in the game that have not been spoiled yet by the various message board speculation and the recent tv spots.

On that note, do you think that 5 will have multiple endings after all ?

[Darinl1979]

I personally think Jill being alive and in the game on the opposite side of Chris is pretty shocking. It might not be to us, who are up to date with most of whats going on with the game but to the common gamer/fan who doesnt delve deep into spoilers...this could be quite shocking.

Oh and about the JillxChris stuff going around. I found the picture, it was from RE2, and it was never really stated who it was. I just never got the feeling that Chris and Jill were anything more then friends. Maybe I missed out on certain scenes, I certainly never saw them holding hands as someone had stated. The new commercial kind of concretes my opinion...when Sheva asks if they were close...Chris's response was "We were partners". Which I am glad, any romance in RE comes off as awkward. I found Ada and Leon to just be plain ridiculous...Steve and Claire even more so.

[BlackHeart]

I personally think Jill being alive and in the game on the opposite side of Chris is pretty shocking. It might not be to us, who are up to date with most of whats going on with the game but to the common gamer/fan who doesnt delve deep into spoilers...this could be quite shocking.

Oh and about the JillxChris stuff going around. I found the picture, it was from RE2, and it was never really stated who it was. I just never got the feeling that Chris and Jill were anything more then friends. Maybe I missed out on certain scenes, I certainly never saw them holding hands as someone had stated. The new commercial kind of concretes my opinion...when Sheva asks if they were close...Chris's response was "We were partners". Which I am glad, any romance in RE comes off as awkward. I found Ada and Leon to just be plain ridiculous...Steve and Claire even more so.

Meh.. personally i enjoy a mini-story about a romance inside the main story, add all the heartache of loosing your lover (or thinking you have) and you have a majorly awesome plot device that is very effective.

I hope we see Chris shouting out of rage at Wesker and leaping at him, but getting owned of course (he can't beat him alone). I think that is what i want to see the most out of resident evil, Emotion in the characters including love, hate and anger.

Even loosing a friend/potential lover you can associate with, we have mostly all lost people we love but if they were killed by someone else you can really feel his hate or imagine it.. Which is awesome to see.

[Darinl1979]

Oh I am not saying that they were simply working associates. I know Jill and Chris were close, Jill after escaping RC went to look for Chris right away and shows concern when the possibility he might be dead shows up. It came off to me that they were really close friends. Alot of people exagerrate how close they were but maybe I am just looking into it wrong myself. From the looks of it, Chris will blame himself for her death and it still haunts him 2 years after it happened. This will probably show up when Sheva is put into situations were she is endangered...Chris working hard to make sure she doesnt die as well. Although I find this a little less believable because how attached could you become to your partner within a day?

Romance in video games can work but theres usually a time and a place for it. I am sure theres room for it between Resident Evil games but as the games are happening...it just comes off as out of place. If Chris and Jill were romantically involved...would they be partners? I think that would be a distraction and conflict of interest while working for an organization like the BSAA or even in STARS.

[missvalentine]

I wouldnt laugh at you for feeling attached to a character. Ive gone through my own fanboyism with game and tv series characters so I can relate. I dont think I was affected by hearing about Jill in the same way as you though. When I first heard she was dead, my first reaction was that she'd be a BoW at some point in the game. I was mainly disappointed that there wasnt an explanation to how she died, but once it became clear that was part of the story...I was less disappointed.

I do agree with Jill not being just a side character. She might not be the main focus of the game but will still end up being an important part of it. I consider her one of the main 4 character of the canon part of the series. That doesnt mean shes immortal and cant die or have intriguing plot twists.

I dont mind there not being any zombies, that really doesnt bother me. Generic Majini or Ganados fill the role of "easy to kill but high quanity bad guys" enemies just as well. The new gameplay is fine, but I cant say I dont miss the old formula. Resident Evil Remake had it done down to perfection and its a real shame that only Zero followed it. More games with that formula would of been nice but I can understand and see why it changed. As far as Raccoon City goes, well its long gone but clearly still is important to the lore of RE. I dont think they could of done anything else with it.

my first reaction was, it must be to fuel Chris to kill Wesker, and yes Jill is still a main character. she will be one always.

and i jst don't think the majini's are as cool or scary as zombies, the zombies were so much better i think.

I feel that Jill as a whole will become a major player behind the scenes in 5, with her relationship with Chris being a major focus point as well now that he has a new partner in Sheva and now Jill is.....something else by the looks of things.

As for me leaving the series if she dies.....I was already loosing interest in the series thanks to 4.

well the prospect of more RE4's also makes me uninterested in the series.

and also, i think that Jill may have more to do with RE5's story than even Chris or Wesker will. maybe she's the cause of everything, the mastermind, i would not be surprised if she is the driving force of the plot. and the most important character as well.

More roles?! Her last canon game was RE 3 in 1999. That was 10 years ago and don't tell me about the Remake again, that doesn't count because it's not a new game.


Capcom can't use Raccon city as a plot device all the time. We are done with that subject, the city has been destroyed and going back to make games about RC is just a waste of time.

I prefer to see a new virus outbreak to another city.

when was Chris's last canon game that wasn't remake? 2000!

look at it this way.

Jill - 1996, 1999

Chris - 1996, 2000

Claire - 1998, 2000

Leon - 1998, 2004

Rebecca - 1996, 2002

now Chris has his next adventure, in 2009, and soon to follow will be Jill, and Claire, and then sadly Leon again.

also, capcom could have made more Outbreaks, and gone back to the start of the Outreak, they could have done so much more with Raccoon City i think. that place was awesome.

Is someone trying to say Jill is a side character? Wow what you smoking. She is the main female heroine, look at the buzz that came from showing her tombstone this game wouldnt be nowhere near as hyped up if it wasnt for Jill like it or not. Gotta be honest if Jill wasnt going to be in this game I really would have been disapointed with it. Just because Capcom had a hardon for Leon latley I gurantee you Jill is a main character in this series.

i agree, and Jill is still the most popular RE character ever.

i mean do we have a Chris topic here? no, but we do have a Jill and Barry topic.

Chris is the main character!! Jill is now just only the side character!!

so.... when RE6 comes out wit Jill as the protagonist, i can shout out "Jill is the main character now, Chris is a side character!" as if it were fact?

you see.. Chris is RE5's main character. Jill, Claire and Leon are all still the main characters, even if they don't star in RE5 in the protagonists role.

I think Capcom has also made it a point to display the bond between them... through small cutscenes like the hug in REmake, the head on shoulder rest in REmake and the holding of hands in the original RE. And I'm not just spewing random Chris/Jill fangirl crap here. I think it's because of that kind of emphasis on their bond that she's going to play a big role in RE5. She's too important to Chris - too much of a key person in his life, not to be involved with whatever the hell happens to him now.


- I love Jill and I thought the Los Jilluminados thing was funny...

- I will probably cry if Jill dies (again?). No lie. If they give her a bad ending, I will be strongly displeased (haha, and so will Chris). I haven't been a fan of RE for long so, coping out due to an upsetting character death seems reasonable for me (though I probably won't have enough will to resist the next RE games that follow, despite whether I'm upset at Jill's possible death or not ).

i wouldn't mind a little romance between Chris and Jill, like another hug or something,a dn maybe a little kiss right at the ending. i think that would be so sweet. i hope RE5's ending is like that, then i would be so happy.

i must admit, Los Jilluminados is pretty funny.

and if RE5 does have a sad ending such as Jill dieing, then i admit im going to cry.

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Also, numerous polls on the long-running fansites have been run over the years on the fandom's favoured character. One guess who wins most of the time. And, polls/interviews internally amongst Capcom staff have reached much the same verdict. Significant figures in the staff prefer Jill. She gets shipped in all sorts of spin-offs. Just because bricks aren't hurled through windows when Jill supposedly gets 'off-ed' doesn't mean we stopped liking her less. It just means that the fans that have been around just grew up (at least a little).

awesome, now i finnally have some form of proof that Jill is the most popular.

I'll still play the series even though it has become something different to what I loved. I just choose to try and ignore the Resident Evil in the title, tend to think of RE4 as "Chronicles Of Leon" so 5 would be "Chronicles Of Chris". The only points I've hated since the game changed is that it masquerades as a Resident Evil.


The problem I find with characters being killed is that you've spent so much time in previous titles getting them to survive, that you hope they have the "Happily Ever After" ending or at least live to a ripe old age before popping their clogs. Now if it turns out Jill died whilst saving Chris from a Secret Umbrella lab full of hundreds of Nemesis's then I could probably accept her death. However, if she died because of some random lesser monster, which wouldn't even be concidered a smear on Nemesis's boot, then I'll be rather outraged. I'll be even more pissed off if she was sitting in her comfy sofa and was killed just to further the plot (I'm looking at you Konami, for gods sake he killed a "God", a lesser nobody monster shouldn't have gotten him ).

if RE4 was called something else, i would have no problem with it, but i would probably have never plaed it either, which is why capcom called it RE so as to make sure i play it.

and i just think that if Jill or any of the main cast die, it would suck. because then all our hard work playing the classics went to waste, they died anyway, what was the point of RE1 or RE3 if Jill dies? the point of RE is survival, you canot kill a main character, it makes the classics pointless. especcially RE3 since it's main story was Jill's escape.

Meh.. personally i enjoy a mini-story about a romance inside the main story, add all the heartache of loosing your lover (or thinking you have) and you have a majorly awesome plot device that is very effective.

I hope we see Chris shouting out of rage at Wesker and leaping at him, but getting owned of course (he can't beat him alone). I think that is what i want to see the most out of resident evil, Emotion in the characters including love, hate and anger.

Even loosing a friend/potential lover you can associate with, we have mostly all lost people we love but if they were killed by someone else you can really feel his hate or imagine it.. Which is awesome to see.

i like a little romance as well, it can always make things just a little bit better.

i would love to see a little romance between Chris and Jill, and then maybe, if Chris was nice to her, i would start liking him a little as well.

[JillLovesChris]

The romance aspect between Chris and Jill has admittedly always been there, boiling slowly under the surface and Chris has always been unusually protective of her even more than any of the other characters in the series save for his own sister Claire. If anything, 5 will be the make or break in the Chris and Jill relationship depending on what has happened to Jill, what happens to her after the events of 5 and how it will eventuate to her and Chris either becoming partners again, separating and now being polar opposites of the coin that is good versus evil, or even one dying.

[Darinl1979]

The romance aspect between Chris and Jill has admittedly always been there, boiling slowly under the surface and Chris has always been unusually protective of her even more than any of the other characters in the series save for his own sister Claire. If anything, 5 will be the make or break in the Chris and Jill relationship depending on what has happened to Jill, what happens to her after the events of 5 and how it will eventuate to her and Chris either becoming partners again, separating and now being polar opposites of the coin that is good versus evil, or even one dying.

I am not purposely trying to point you out as wrong or nor am I saying you are wrong. Where is the evidence that there was a romantic connection with Jill and Chris? I can MAYBE see it on Jills end, as she did express general concern in one of the REmakes endings, in addition to always being concerned if he was alright. I don't ever recall seeing anything that implied Chris was protective of Jill though. In fact, after Arklay he didn't seem to care about anything other than Umbrella. If you watch any of the REmake endings...notable the ones where its Jill/Chris/Barry or Jill/Chris...theres a brief moment where Jill lays her head down on Chris's shoulder and he pretty much has a serious look to him like he wants to just beat the crap out of Umbrella. Up until RE5, Chris always stuck me as an emotionless wall of a character...only showing excitement when it came to fighting Umbrella.

As far as the events of RE5 go, I don't really think either of your options will happen. Jill being evil and a polar opposite of Chris? That makes really no sense as that goes against almost everything Jill was built up as a character as. Becoming partners again? I don't think either will have it in them to even fight anymore. Chris is already doubting if things are worth fighting for, and I am pretty sure that if Jill comes out of this with her blood still flowing...shes going to be thinking the same way. Oh and Chris apparently has Asian fever after the events of the game, so take that for what its worth.

[missvalentine]

I am not purposely trying to point you out as wrong or nor am I saying you are wrong. Where is the evidence that there was a romantic connection with Jill and Chris? I can MAYBE see it on Jills end, as she did express general concern in one of the REmakes endings, in addition to always being concerned if he was alright. I don't ever recall seeing anything that implied Chris was protective of Jill though. In fact, after Arklay he didn't seem to care about anything other than Umbrella. If you watch any of the REmake endings...notable the ones where its Jill/Chris/Barry or Jill/Chris...theres a brief moment where Jill lays her head down on Chris's shoulder and he pretty much has a serious look to him like he wants to just beat the crap out of Umbrella. Up until RE5, Chris always stuck me as an emotionless wall of a character...only showing excitement when it came to fighting Umbrella.

As far as the events of RE5 go, I don't really think either of your options will happen. Jill being evil and a polar opposite of Chris? That makes really no sense as that goes against almost everything Jill was built up as a character as. Becoming partners again? I don't think either will have it in them to even fight anymore. Chris is already doubting if things are worth fighting for, and I am pretty sure that if Jill comes out of this with her blood still flowing...shes going to be thinking the same way. Oh and Chris apparently has Asian fever after the events of the game, so take that for what its worth.

that is the exact reason that i dislike Chris. he has almost no emotion at all, other than wanting to fight Umbrella/Wesker and save Claire only when she's in danger. but has no problem abandoning her in the first place.

if Chris had just shown a little care for Jill, like put his arms around her and comfort her more, i would have liked him more. and yeah he gave Rebecca a pat on the shoulder, but that was like the only thing he ever did.

i mean Jill huged Chris when he rescued her, and in the chopper he doesn't pay attention to her at all. i think Jill does like Chris, or at least has an emotional connection to him, a soft spot perhaps. but Chris shows almost no connection to her or anyone except Claire, which he abandoned and never bothered to call or tell her anything about the zombie outbreak in the first place.

i hope Chris becomes more caring of the people around him, i hope he's learned to express his feeling more than just saying nothing.

maybe Chris did have a love for Jill, but was to scared to ever say anything, or take it further than just friends. and maybe he was devestated with her "death",a nd maybe now he will take a lot more care a Sheva and try to make up for his mistakes in the past.

and also, i would LOVE to see Jill dressed in the dress she's wearing in my avatar in RE5 or in a future game. wouldn't you?

[Darinl1979]

The only way that dress would work in a game, is if Jill happens to be going out to dinner and a bio-terror outbreak occurs at the place shes eating.

I dont dislike Chris because of his lack of emotions, I find him far less annoying then say Leon and as I stated before the situations in Resident Evil games really dont call for any emotions besides being frightened or confused as to whats happening.

[missvalentine]

The only way that dress would work in a game, is if Jill happens to be going out to dinner and a bio-terror outbreak occurs at the place shes eating.

I dont dislike Chris because of his lack of emotions, I find him far less annoying then say Leon and as I stated before the situations in Resident Evil games really dont call for any emotions besides being frightened or confused as to whats happening.

well lets hope Chris asks Jill out on a date at the end of RE5, and RE6 starts on the date in a city and a zombie Outbreak happens then. or it could be a bonus unlockable outfit.

i just really want to play as Jill in the beautiful dress.

and yeah RE never calls for any emotions, but them being there can only make it better. and plus RE seems more of a Metal Gear rip off now, so i think capcom wants a lot of character development in the new series.

[Darinl1979]

I wouldn't call it a Metal Gear ripoff, but I do see alot of similiarities between the two...especially RE5. I was even expecting 4 to follow that route due to the radio transmissions that you had with Ingrid Hunnigan, luckikly they ended up being few and short.

Character development seems to have come a long way when you compare RE1 to RE5. I like the new Chris, he might come off as too emotional thanks to his jaded disposition regarding fighting now but that certainly gives him more depth then his gung-ho stop Umbrella at any cost.

[Jill Lover]

I just want to see Chris' face when...
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Wesker shows him that he exprimented with Jill (sort of). The last scene from the trailer. Unless is another person, which might be Claire... but I think Jill is more suitable..

and I hate the fact the are using her as a plot device, But I'm convinced this will bring both character a more deep background into their lives, Capcom knew they couldn't make another game with both main character... so they wanted to shock by this... "Why Chris is with that new female lead? Then Capcom shows Jill's grave... OMFG!! "That's why there's a new lead..." I'm not trying to say Sheva is replacing Jill (no way!) but I like the way they ticked us with all this Jill theme about her being evil and dead.

[Zimdictive]

Hmm, ok, no offence or such intended. I don't mind if you ship Jill and Chris, just "holding hands" and "resting head on shoulder" does not necessarily mean a romantic connection (believe it or not) any more than it could mean "oh, damn, we've just lived through hell together, and some of our closest friends got, uh, eaten alive in front of us" or perhaps "I'm tired, you're a friend...". I have nothing against it though, so I'm not going to argue.

I'll certainly concede the other side of the argument; as I mentioned, they've gone through hell together. The whole DF training will have ingrained the necessity of teamwork into Jill's mind, and you'll never, ever, get into any kind of special forces without fully trusting and relying on your 'colleagues'. Through normal lines of action you'll form bonds no doubt equivalent to familial ones, so I speculate (imagine) such a terrorising experience such as seeing fellow humans turned against one another as mindless animals, intent on ripping the living to shreds for food, will have significant impact on relations.

Brad's a cowardly joke, and dead. The kind of guy that Jill types would pity. And Barry, a traditional family type, a decade or so older, portrayed as a very good friend. There'd be subconscious barriers in Jill's and Barry's mind for anything more. Then we have Chris. Right age, similar mentality. If she wasn't interested before (knowing it or not), she'd probably be afterwards (if not due to anything more than some kind of post-trauma syndrome). Same applies to Chris.

Ok, I didn't even come here to discuss that as I am uninterested, but once again the music I'm listening to sent me off track. Oh, and missvalentine, though I like a lot of what you've said (I, too, believe that zombies, and monsters of the hunter/licker-ilk are far superior to this new breed of axe-wielding morons), I wouldn't dislike Chris for showing a little respect. I don't really know how to make this read, but why should be take hold of, or pat, or whatever, Jill when they're out the mansion? Because she is, uh, a woman? Nah-ah.

She went through the same shit, largely alone (Chris met Rebecca, Jill had f^ck all; Barry kept vanishing), came out intact, and in no more need of an embrace than Chris. Sure, if they hugged one another mutually; both thinking they and the other would get something out it, be it peace or relief or whatever, great, but if Chris hugged her out of some kind of misguided sense of duty, I'd lose all respect for him. By not, it shows a person hasn't been tainted by the subtle waves of sexism that still penetrate our modern-day culture. (I'm anarcha-feminist, so bite me, fascists. ) Besides, patting an ex-DF wouldn't be patronising, it would be a whole new level of stupid. Snap your arm off.

Uh, if you can guess, new genre music. Paramore. Not my usual type of stuff, but good for writing, if your audience can stomach it.

Bah, I think any speculation is useless to be honest. Japan just lost out to the UK on gaming market, so the West is now by far the dominant portion of the world when it comes to video-games, and Capcom is pretty international in their outlook anyway, so I doubt we'll have anything refreshingly Asian such as major character death. Besides, they do love their Jill, so taking her out the series permanently in a clear perma-death is an extremely unlikely move, even if they were playing things their way. Compromise her position by all means, but end it I do doubt.

I would not be surprised if Jill became playable in RE5, perhaps in the mini-games, or also in the main plot. I'd place my money on an Ada-style involvement. Hop in and out, then her story gets fleshed out in a mini-game. Not that I consider it particularly likely, just, it wouldn't shock me. I think she'll be around next time one way or the other though. As for Sheva, I reckon they'll pull a Billy Coen. Gone without a trace. That or die.

Place your bets.

[blaze]

Regardless... Capcom put those actions in there for a reason.

My main point was that it was to show the bond between them (as I've repeated several times) romantic or not. So yeah xD

Capcom could've easily left actions like that out of the game, but they did not. And actions like holding hands and hugsies are not usually intended for colleagues. That it could be a comforting gesture over a romantic one, I agree, especially if one went through the nightmare they went through. But I do question why Jill wouldn't be leaning on Barry, or Rebecca on Chris - especially if Jill and Chris didn't go through that hell together (as they had different scenarios).

So I still firmly believe that Capcom was trying to say SOMETHING about Jill and Chris through moments like those - whether it was a nod towards romance or not. Because, again, they could've easily been resting on, or holding hands with Barry or Rebecca.

And the holding hands video... Chris actually just grabbed her hand after she slid it onto his thigh (not dirtily xD):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnNISPsLoPA&feature=related

lol @ the actors. Aw at the idea (and I'm counting even that as credible as it came from the FIRST RE).

I agree with BlackHeart by the way... Chris' motivation to destroy Wesker would be increased even more if he felt that way for her, and the emotion we'd see from his usually emotionless self would be a beautiful change.

And I apologize for making this into a Jill/Chris discussion. I didn't mean to xD But I'm glad to see we have at least some casual support for the two around here

Anyways...

I would love a Jill side game. That would be fantastic, just to see what was going on while Chris and Sheva were getting mobbed all over Kijuju. A Jill-esque seperate ways would be nice.

And just a thought... I think it'd be funny if they had special character costumes, as they usually do, and put Jill in for Sheva in one of them xD But considering Sheva is actually playable, I guess that could be a longshot. 'twas just a thought.

And as for Sheva... yeah, I think she'll either end up like Billy or Ashley - dunzo after this game (I really wouldn't mind). But you never know, 'cuz she's still part of the BSAA.

[Bertha]

I would not be surprised if Jill became playable in RE5, perhaps in the mini-games, or also in the main plot. I'd place my money on an Ada-style involvement. Hop in and out, then her story gets fleshed out in a mini-game. Not that I consider it particularly likely, just, it wouldn't shock me. I think she'll be around next time one way or the other though. As for Sheva, I reckon they'll pull a Billy Coen. Gone without a trace. That or die.

Place your bets.

If the viral videos are indeed canon, Sheva will not die. In the very first video, you can see in Chris's notes that he thanks her and asks for her to take a bow. And there is the last video we have yet to see, but from the still shots we've seen already, it shows an African American woman speaking with Chris. Again...that is if the videos are canon. But I don't see why, for the most part, they would not be.