The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[Daargoth]

Excella Gionne summed it up perfectly with this line of dialogue from RE5:

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record."

Speaks volumes about this thread, and certain fanatical fans.

"I'm tired of your BULLSHIT!" *injects needle*

best line, ever!!!! the Excella one was pretty good too lol.

[Rakkoon]

Auto-invalidated.

Calling something a stupid design choice or game ruining just because you don't particularly like blonde hair (of all things to diss a game about) is, to be honest, mind-numbing.

I'm talking to a brick wall here. I already stated it's my opinion and I don't have to say 'imo, blah blah' every time for it to be clear that what I'm saying is simply the way I view things. I never said RE5 or Jill was ruined because of the blonde hair. I did say they were ruined, but I never gave the blonde hair as the reason. On Jill, that stupid blonde ponytail just pisses me off. This argument is over.

Right..

*sigh*

So Resident Evil 5 has no story, yet you site Resident Evil 4 as being 'far better'? When Mikami abandoned years of storytelling to tell a predictably awful story of a President's daughter being kidnapped with horrendous villians and cardboard hero (though I do like Leon). It took Seperate Ways to make the story of that game at least interesting, and Mikami was long gone by that point.

Ugly locations - because damn - the 4 hours we spent in the castle are so spectacular nothing can compare. If you'd said the Spencer Mansion or Raccoon City I'd of been with you, but again using Resident Evil 4 as reference I just can't understand it.

The bosses comment, again you compare Resident Evil 4, the only bosses in Resident Evil 4 that offered any sense of real tactic was Krauser and Saddler, the rest are just simply 'unload your best weapon as fast as you can'. At least Resident Evil 5, the bosses has phases and variety, you aren't doing the same thing in each one.

Mindless action: I'm with you there, but again that's all Resident Evil 4 was bar one section in the prison. At least with Resident Evil 5 being the shorter game it actually doesn't feel padded out with even more action like the way Mikami just couldn't resist putting in one more massive gunfight in the game post the Krauser battle.

You announce Resident Evil 5 has killed the series, but to many Resident Evil 4 did that already, what the devs wanted to do here was to give a storyline that would please the older fans and give certain characters a chance again. But what is with Jill having blonde hair that irks you so much, the woman went through hell in this game. She's not going to be perfect, but hey, she's alive and she's back.

"Everyday Resident Evil 4 fans come one step closer to self-destruction, I'm not destroying the Resident Evil fanbase, I'm saving it" - Jun Takeuchi.

Mikami is the father of Resident Evil. RE5 sucks mostly because Mikami is gone. It's not the game he would have made, and he said that himself. RE5 is nothing like RE4 except for the gameplay. RE4 had its story and the reason it was isolated was because it was meant to be like that. Leon has nothing to do with the main RE story (the one with Chris, Jill, and Wesker). He was on a solo mission in an isolated village. The story was exactly that - an isolated story, and keeping that in mind, you can say it was well told. Also, RE4 didn't take itself so seriously, hence the Leon lines and the humor. And that worked brilliantly because RE4 wasn't as serious as the REmake for example. It wasn't even trying and that was made clear.

This is where RE5 totally failed, simply because of all that hype and the fact RE5 took itself so seriously. Ironically, it turned into a big tasteless joke. There was a promise many questions would be answered, a promise of a really good story, since RE5 had that potential with its cast. Nothing like that happened. That was the most random and superficial story I've ever seen. There was no story, just action. No suspense either, no tension, nothing. It was just shooting.

With RE4 the picture was different. There were moments when I was scared (Verdugo), there was great atmosphere (the village and the castle), there was tension, and then there was the action, which itself was much better presented than the action in RE5. Example: the El Gigante fight. It was indeed one of the best fights in RE4, and I can't believe what they turned it into in RE5. You are shooting at a living piece of flesh with a minigun for like 10 minutes and nothing happens to it. This is worse than Survivor.

RE4 had great locations with great atmosphere. No, not as good as the mansion or Raccoon City, but I remembered them. The village was awesome, and so was the castle. I don't remember much from RE5, it was all very forgettable. Very random. They really messed everything up.

Oh, and the bosses. Please let's not talk about that. RE4 didn't have one bad boss. That was the game with the best bosses of all REs and it's one of the things I love about RE4 the most. All the bosses were simply amazing. Great design, very enjoyable fights. Need I name them? Dr. Salvador, the Bella Sisters, Del Lago, El Gigante, Bitores Mendez, Garrador, Verdugo, the El Gigante Brothers, Salazar, U3, Krauser, Lord Saddler.

Dr. Salvador was great because he could cut your head off before you knew it. Same goes for the Bella Sisters. Hey, where's the fun if they stop before you and wait for a minute before swinging that chainsaw? And how ridiculous is it to shoot them in the face with a shotgun to see it doesn't affect them that much? It's a shot in the face man! With a shotgun! React!

Del Lago had great design. It didn't look like Godzilla the way a certain RE5 boss does.

El Gigante... No comment.

Bitores Mendez. The best boss in RE4. Incredible design for all forms.

Garrador. Awesome design again.

Verdugo. Now that was the real scare in RE4. When I played it for the first time I was really terrified by Verdugo. Everything from the tension to the music to the actual appearance of Verdugo and the fight with it...everything was perfect. And again, the design of the boss itself.

The El Gigante Brothers. So good. And creepy. Especially the masked one.

Salazar. Brilliant. You actually got to know who the hell that guy was before he mutated. And he didn't just inject himself before jumping in the water and turning into Godzilla in less than a minute. And by the time I got to fight Salazar I actually really hated him and wanted to fight him. In RE5, Salazar's equivalent is pathetic. That was one of the worst moments in RE5 when I played it. It was when I realized RE5 was a joke. I didn't care about that stupid character at all! Why would I want to see him turn into Godzilla and fight him without any build up before that whatsoever?? That really made me hate RE5!

U3, sickest boss in RE4, awesome design. Krauser, absolutely great character that I actually cared about. They didn't need to make Chris like Krauser by the way. The muscles suit a character like Krauser, but they look ridiculous and so ugly on Chris. Awful, a big big turn off.

Saddler. Not a big fan of him, but he wasn't bad. And he couldn't teleport himself (or move really fast, whatever).

Now RE4 didn't kill the series. I'm not a big fan of the big change RE4 introduced, but RE4 was still RE. RE5 is a step back. They didn't top RE4, they just couldn't I guess. Resident Evil 4 was absolutely amazing, and the only problem I have with it is that it's very different from the rest of the Resident Evil games. Now RE5 is very different from the rest of the Resident Evil games AND worse than RE4. A step back. It's just not such a good game. Not that enjoyable. It's clear it's not a good RE game, but why would I even call it a RE game in the first place? The name, the characters...sorry, but that's hardly a good enough reason. They screwed up the characters, they took out the typewriters, they turned everything into action. Action that's much more than the action in RE4. Action that's terribly presented. I mean, RE5 took off as a great game. There was the exploration and the mystery at first. I loved it in the beginning and felt like it would be a great RE. And then it turned into a mindless shooter, no story unfolded as I went, nothing pulled you inside and got you involved. This is what happens when Resident Evil meets Hollywood. Everything is focused on how the game looks. Eye candy. RE5 is, sadly, a very superficial game.

About Jill, I just didn't see her. I saw no Jill. She seems like a random character now, and the hair is a big weight on that balance. The balance of forgettability.

Resident Evil 5 is a forgettable blockbuster sequel. It's a very expensive Survivor that takes advantage of the main RE story and characters, only to ruin them for the sake of cheap action and eye candy.

And finally, Jun Takeuchi is an idiot. I am simply stating it and I refuse to back this with arguments.

[Jill's Boob]

I think it's finally time for me to accept Resident Evil 3 was the last game in the series. At least for me. I've made up my mind now.

No you haven't, you'll defend RE4 in just a few posts from now.

I just really hate Jill's hair now. A blonde ponytail? This is ridiculous. Seriously, I can't stand it and I hate it they changed her hair like that. The hair is giving me a headache.

I am so sick of people calling Jill names because of her RE3 clothes. But I've said what I had to say about that already. The change of her hair is ridiculous. Just like 80% of RE5. But Jill's hair hardly matters anymore, since Resident Evil is officially dead now. Dead.

Yes, I am blinded by fanboyism.

You said that sarcastically, but it is the most logical thing you've said so far.

I never said it was unreasonable. I don't care if it makes sense. It's stupid. It's ugly. I hate it.

Jill's blonde hair pisses me off enormously. RE5 has enough of everything to completely destroy Resident Evil. Then there's Jill and her pathetic look. It's a joke, everything. Such a cheap way to steal people's money. Such a lame way to end RE. I'm not talking about Jill's hair now. That was just a lame way to end Jill. The hair was just the most obvious flaw. Superficial? I would say Jill's hair color was probably the deepest thing about RE5. Say whatever you like now, I really don't care anymore.

Okay...you rant & rave about Jill's hair, using it to validate your claim that RE is "dead." Why the fuck do you care so much about Jill's hair? It's not like she mutated into a blob or died. Her. Hair. Lost. Its. Pigmentation. If Jill's hair alone is what elevates her to God-like status in your eyes, then you are truly deranged. She's a video game character. Did you overreact to RE3 when it featured her without her beret?

Are you all blind? Don't you realize? Resident Evil is dead. RE5 was a joke. They made fun of you. They stole your money. Forget Jill's hair, that was just ugly and that's it. I hate it, but that's about it. But what really matters is that Resident Evil died. It really did. Don't you care? I care about that more than I care about Jill's hair as ugly as it is. Why do we even bother discussing anything anymore? RE is dead.

I don't know, why bother discussing it anymore? Yet you keep a comin' back. We all just hope that you'll go away now, since RE is "dead." But nope, here you are - again and again - whining about Jill's hair even though you keep saying her hair color isn't really why you're angry.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

How about you just go away?

I really don't care about Jill. Seriously, the hair just pissed me off before I actually played RE5. After that I didn't care anymore.

Really? Then why do you keep bringing her up? Repeatedly?

I'm sorry I had to post this now.

So are we. Please cease & desist.

Anyway, nice argument for RE4. Too bad I didn't bother reading it since you said earlier that RE3 was the "last game in the series [for you]."

You have an identity crisis. You can't decide why you truly hate RE5 other than for Jill's hair color. Congrats.

[Rakkoon]

I'm sorry, but I am not going to have another discussion with you.

The fact that someone doesn't understand my words and loves to take sentences out of the context is not my problem at all.

[ValentineKnight]

So Mikami made RE which means that anything that's RE that he didn't make is shit?Please...just because he didn't make RE5 doesn't mean it sucks yes RE4 is generally regarded as the best in the series but to alot of people it was a turn-off and to them RE5 saved the series from obscurity by making it interesting again and I thank Jun for trying his best to make RE5 appealing to RE4 fans and the older fans so I say keep em coming Jun.It's just like people who say MGS won't be MGS without Kojima even though he has constantly bitched and moaned about wanting to not make any more MGS so I think a new director will help the series ALOT but when MGS5 comes out people are going to bash it simply cause Kojima didn't make it...

[Rakkoon]

MGS is Kojima. It's his. If he wants to end it, it ends. That's it.

I don't know how you can say RE5 is the best RE since REmake. I guess as much as people are alike, they differ significantly. RE5 is not even a RE to me. I am an old fan and it certainly doesn't appeal to me. I even like RE4, but RE5 still doesn't appeal to me. I know many people feel the same way, and I know people who have been fans of the game since 1996 and feel exactly like I do. I've been a RE fan since 1998, and I can tell you, the first 3 REs were the best storywise and atmosphere-wise. The best RE games. The REmake is the definition of Resident Evil. RE4 is the new RE, vastly different, not perfect, not great storywise, but a great game nonetheless. And it can be called Resident Evil. Now change the name of RE5 and you have a whole new game. 8/10 if you give it a different name. 6/10 if you keep the RE title.

[Jill's Boob]

RE4 is the new RE, vastly different, not perfect, not great storywise, but a great game nonetheless. And it can be called Resident Evil. Now change the name of RE5 and you have a whole new game.

Credibility is officially gone.

[Mr_Zombie]

RE4 is the new RE, vastly different, not perfect, not great storywise, but a great game nonetheless. And it can be called Resident Evil. Now change the name of RE5 and you have a whole new game.

Wait, what? I don't follow you.

RE4: totally new gameplay, new storyline and the only connection to previous titles was Leon and Ada (just their names, because those were different characters than the ones we know from RE2) - you can call it Resident Evil, yay!

RE5: a game that follows RE4 gameplay but actually tries to connect RE4 storyline with previous titles and continues the story of Chris, Jill, Wesker, Umbrella and its viruses - here you can just change the title and have a whole new (different?) game.

Wow, just... wow.

[Bertha]

anyways, i didn't like Jill as much as i did previously. but she was the best character in RE5 nonetheless, and then Excella after that.

She was only in the game for a sum of about 4 minutes maybe...and she's the best character? Please...please give me some of your drugs. Spencer was a much better character than Jill was in this game. Jill was a plot point and a marketing tool. That's about it. Had she actually died, I think it would have made the game about 10 times better. I adore Jill and I'm saying that. And bitching about her hair...come on...now you're just bitching for the sake of hearing yourself bitch.

Excella Gionne summed it up perfectly with this line of dialogue from RE5:

"Jill, Jill, Jill. You're like a broken record."

Speaks volumes about this thread, and certain fanatical fans.

I lol'd.

"I'm tired of your BULLSHIT!" *injects needle*

best line, ever!!!! the Excella one was pretty good too lol.

I believe the line is "I've had enough of your bullshit!". XD

[ValentineKnight]

RE5's gameplay is almost exactly like 4's and storywise RE5 had a bigger connection to past REs than RE4"seriously RE4's plot and characters where about the equalization to those of a James Bond film",So I don't know how you can say RE5 is a whole new game.

[Sonicboy 101]

I actually didn't mind Jill's change in hair colour.

/tries to be different

[Rakkoon]

Have you guys played RE5? I mean, really. I didn't think I would need to explain this at all. Come on, it's so obvious.

You are simply looking at bare facts, not reading between the lines.

The facts are: RE4 doesn't follow the RE story and has a different gameplay from the old REs. RE5 has the gameplay of RE4, but (supposedly) follows the RE story.

That's bare facts. It doesn't come down to just facts you know. Look closer.

RE4 can still be called RE, because they didn't mess everything up like they did in RE5 -DESPITE- RE4 being vastly different from the classic RE. RE5 has the same gameplay as RE4, but everything is presented terribly. Action, story, everything. It's supposed to have a real RE story, but the story unfolds in the worst way possible, you don't feel involved at all. So that story counts for nothing. You can say, 'it's part of the old RE story with the original RE characters', but it's told terribly and the characters are ruined. I felt like there was no story at all.

The atmosphere. RE4 had it, and RE5 lacked so much in that department. It really didn't feel like a RE game. RE4 did, to a point, DESPITE having a separate story with new characters. The game was well presented, well thought, well designed. It felt like a RE game more than RE5, thus RE5 having the same gameplay like RE4, but failing to present the story properly and relying solely on looks and action is a huge step back. RE5 had the potential to be really great, and it actually started off as something great, but then failed miserably. In the end, it was very random, very forgettable, very weak. It wasn't even fun. In RE4 Leon was fun because he talked crap, while in RE5 Chris barely said anything. Instead of a character, we got a Mr. Olympia with a shirt that doesn't fit.

So, ultimately, RE4 has what it takes to still be called RE (not to say it's as good as the original RE), and RE5 certainly had that potential. It failed though. It didn't live up to its name.

[Bertha]

I actually didn't mind Jill's change in hair colour.

/tries to be different

I didn't mind it either. I think, for the most part, people that dislike it are the uberfans that see the entire series as being about Jill and the idea that she should always be the same. The reason for the change makes sense.

Have you guys played RE5? I mean, really. I didn't think I would need to explain this at all. Come on, it's so obvious.

You are simply looking at bare facts, not reading between the lines.

That's bare facts. It doesn't come down to just facts you know. Look closer.
blah blah blah.

RE4's story did follow the series. The virus/parasites were all about evolution. Each game brought new enemies into play with new approaches on how they were created. Parasites were not used for the first time in RE4, however it was the first time that parasitic infections were common place. How did RE4 not follow the main story? It had been 6 years since Raccoon City...people were looking into new ways to create bioweapons.

Re5 expands on how the early years of research brought on everything that happened through the games. Your argument fails in many points. Saying Leon was a better character than Chris because he talked crap is idiotic. Chris does not equal Leon. He's a lot more mature and reserved. He thought he lost his long time partner. He's not going to be happy go lucky or cracking some stupid remark at every turn.

[ValentineKnight]

I thought Chris in RE5 was cooler than Leon in RE4

I didn't mind it either. I think, for the most part, people that dislike it are the uberfans that see the entire series as being about Jill and the idea that she should always be the same. The reason for the change makes sense.

me neither I was just scared Jill wouldn't be recognisable with blonde hair...

[Rakkoon]

Chris does not equal Leon. He's a lot more mature and reserved. He thought he lost his long time partner. He's not going to be happy go lucky or cracking some stupid remark at every turn.

I completely agree. And that suggests the game should be more serious. But it's not. It's a joke. At least RE4 didn't take itself so seriously. Hence the RE4 Leon. What I meant about Chris was that I wasn't involved and I didn't even care about his character. It was like he wasn't even there. Hence it would have even been better for him to say something stupid just for the sake of the player's enjoyment. It's a joke already, so at least make it funny. That's how I felt.

By being a separate story I meant RE4's story wasn't directly connected to the original RE story, so it was okay for the game to be different. However, it still had a RE feeling to it. Now, RE5 just wasn't what we were made to believe it would be. The feeling was that of a different game, not a RE game. On top of that, the story was weak while it was supposed to be one of the greatest RE stories ever. RE4 wasn't trying to do that, it was meant to be a different type of Resident Evil in the first place. Now RE5 'tries' to unite the two types of RE, but because of the way it is presented, it fails.