The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[BLSR1]

Lets not forget about THIS alternate outfit for Jill.


It's so amazing, it got its own game.

[Mr. Spencer]

Well, here (Brazil), you need to go to the army, it's a obligation. So, I've gone a couple of times, done some tasks and then I was dismissed of my duty. I can be called anytime though.

National service, eh? I don't think you've got too much to worry about. Brazil is a relatively peaceful country.

[missvalentine]

ok wow i got a lot of flames for that.

She was never in Delta Force. She received training akin to that of Delta Force. She was not an actual member.



Once. It's unlikely Chris would just shove two women into a bunch of monsters. It's more likely that Chris, Barry and possibly Rebecca stayed behind to hold off the monsters while Jill used the flare. And the second time it wasn't even an order, it was just Jill snapping Chris into his senses again.

lolwut?!

it's quite well known Jill was in Delta Force, even if it's impossible because she's to young capcom makes the cannon, and she's in Delta Force.

also i wasn't saying that was the canon ending, we don't know the canon ending, but it's just twice Jill has told Chris to do something and he did what he said, kinda like taking orders.

missvalentine...you've reached an all-time low with this one.



Lol, no he doesn't. That doesn't make any sense.



Maybe this 'authority figure' you think Chris sees Jill as is just a showing of respect, you ever think of that? Chris Redfield is a goddamn respectful son of a gun. And it's also likely that Chris and Jill have some sort of more-than-partner feelings for each other, so, maybe what you say about the husband and wife thing makes some sense...but as far as seeing her as an authority figure? No.



"Submitted to her will"? Do you listen to yourself?



Really? She ORDERED him? She said "I ORDER you to forget about the fact that I've actually been alive all this time, because the world is about to come to an end." I'm thinking it was more along the lines of Chris's emotions getting the best of him(imagine that) and focusing all of his thoughts on the fact that his partner, good friend and possible love interest actually really was alive all this time, after seeing her 'die' in front of his own eyes. I dunno about you, but I'd probably be a little consumed with the realization that she was alive. Chris's one-track mind is no surprise to anyone.



Yeah...pardon my French, but you really gotta get your head out of your fuckin' ass.

i never said Jill was a higher rank that Chris, i know they have always had the same rank, but i said Chris see's Jill as a sort of authority, maybe it's out of his respect for her yes, but whenever she tells him to do something he's all yes ma'am about it. i think in Chris's head, Jill is a woman tobe respected. i didn't mean to say Chris thinks Jill is in charge of him, it's just if Jill want's him to do something, he's quite likely to go along with it without arguing to much.

Hm, missvalentine is beginning to develop the all too familar stench of feminism.

[News Bot]

it's quite well known Jill was in Delta Force, even if it's impossible because she's to young capcom makes the cannon, and she's in Delta Force.

That was in her old biographies when Mikami couldn't write for jack. Someone in Capcom changed it with UC and RE5 to her receiving special forces training, akin to that of Delta Force.

also i wasn't saying that was the canon ending, we don't know the canon ending, but it's just twice Jill has told Chris to do something and he did what he said, kinda like taking orders.

Except neither happened. You're taking one scene which may or may not be canon as just that because you are obsessed, and you took the second completely out of context and mis-interpertated it completely.

[missvalentine]

That was in her old biographies when Mikami couldn't write for jack. Someone in Capcom changed it with UC and RE5 to her receiving special forces training, akin to that of Delta Force.



Except neither happened. You're taking one scene which may or may not be canon as just that because you are obsessed, and you took the second completely out of context and mis-interpertated it completely.

i was taking two scenes which i like, that also had Jill telling Chris to do things. canon is irrelevant here.

[Alexia_Ashford]

i was taking two scenes which i like, that also had Jill telling Chris to do things. canon is irrelevant here.

Of course it is. Canon is relevant. If it's not canon, it's not even worth mentioning because it doesn't have relevance to the series; it never happened. That's like me arguing that Alexia pwns Wesker because in the original Code: Veronica, she beat him up and threw him into the door. If you're going to make an argument about a character and relationships between characters, you have to back it up with points/moments that actually HAPPENED.

Hm, missvalentine is beginning to develop the all too familar stench of feminism.

Feminism? I thought missvalentine was a man?

[missvalentine]

Of course it is. Canon is relevant. If it's not canon, it's not even worth mentioning because it doesn't have relevance to the series; it never happened. That's like me arguing that Alexia pwns Wesker because in the original Code: Veronica, she beat him up and threw him into the door. If you're going to make an argument about a character and relationships between characters, you have to back it up with points/moments that actually HAPPENED.

well know one knows if it's canon or not, since know one knows what the complete canon of RE1 is, just that both characters events are canon. so i thought it worth mentioning.

so unless capcom tells us who held the tyrant off and who lit the flare, there both canon endings. so it is canon.

[Alexia_Ashford]

They're not both canon endings. It's impossible for them to both be canon. One happened or the other, with multiple endings we can never really know. Either way, it's not really "giving Chris orders".

P.S, are you a man? Mr. Spencer has confused me with these ideas of feminism now.

[missvalentine]

They're not both canon endings. It's impossible for them to both be canon. One happened or the other, with multiple endings we can never really know. Either way, it's not really "giving Chris orders".

P.S, are you a man? Mr. Spencer has confused me with these ideas of feminism now.

what i meant was it's possible for both of them to be canon. since neither has been disproved and niether has been proved canon.

and i think he said the feminism comment because i said "like a husband sometimes see's his wife as a sort of authority" when explaining my theory.

ill PM you.

[nemesiswontdie]

i thought missvalentine was a girl thus MISSvalentine

[Alexia_Ashford]

I know, but the "missvalentine" could be because they're referring to Jill Valentine. I always assumed they were a man because of the "I LOVE WOMEN" in the signature, though I suppose they could be a female with alternative sexual preferences. Just putting something like that seems like more male behaviour.

Neither has been proved or disproved to be canon, therefore it sits in a grey area and it's difficult to be used to back up a theory or argument, especially considering that the alternative scenario is a lot more likely, given the nature of the characters involved.

[missvalentine]

can we get back on topic perhaps?

Neither has been proved or disproved to be canon, therefore it sits in a grey area and it's difficult to be used to back up a theory or argument, especially considering that the alternative scenario is a lot more likely, given the nature of the characters involved.

alright, i see your point. but i just thought it was an interesting theory and decided to share it nonetheless.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I personally think the relationship between the two is a lot less of a "husband and wife" relationship, but mutual respect and care between two partners who've been through a lot of turbulent periods of their lives together, both have the determination to take down Umbrella and who share a lot together.

[padamibr]

i was taking two scenes which i like, that also had Jill telling Chris to do things. canon is irrelevant here.

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I agree whit the canon irrelevant thing is that situation. I always see the game as posibilitys, however, you need to have a good sense. For exemple, in RE3, Jill could jump from the bridge or throw Nemesis from it. I guess the cannon is that she jumped, but it really doesn't metter from my POV, I mean, if she decided that she would throw Nemesis instead, she would have escaped Raccoon City... although Barry would probably have died.
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Now, when it comes to a conversation between characters it is much easier. So, if Jill had that conversation with Chris, it would have happened that way. So, I guess it's a valid argument.

[Darinl1979]

Canon is what ends up being used in future games and what continues the story. Sure small details like if Jill jumped or threw Nemesis really don't matter, but there are others that are more relevant. People have debated what was canon in terms of RE1 and thanks to how the game was made, its really hard to say. Jills confrontation with Wesker makes more sense because of Barrys involvement, but wouldn't that cause Wesker to hate Barry or Jill more then Chris? Weskers dialogue when talking to Claire in CVX showed his hatred was more on Chris then anyone else. Then of course there is UC, its really too bad they didn't include Barry or it could of been believable that the STARS stuck together through the whole thing.

Bottom line, Canon matters if you want to play the games and have a story that makes sense (or as much sense as a RE story can make).