The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[missvalentine]

It's also like


Did Konami just copy Jill?! omgwtfbbq!

Para-Medic is like a 60's Jill Valentine! What more could you want lol?





She has a similar hairstyle Ill agree, but a different facial structure and very different clothes. But there both similar in that the're awesome and are the greatest most coolest characters in there respective series.

Special guest appearance by Major Zero!

Major Zero is fucking brilliant! One of the best characters in Metal Gear.

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Yoji Shinkawa's drawing looks kinda like Patty Hearst. Maybe I'm nuts.

Anyways, DXP, where did those pictures come from (the black umbrella outfit and the one with that bulky nemesis)? They're well done.

[DXP]

ya mean this one?:



its something i was keeping as a secret project i'm gonna officially unveil it soon when i have something concrete too show.

[REmaster]

^ Hmmm...this interest me. Mansion + Wesker + Umbrella Jill is pretty cool lol.

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Well, whatever it is, good luck! I just hope you implement a sound effect of Jill's leather (or is it vinyl) scrunching as she walks. Just kidding.

[BLSR1]

ya mean this one?:



its something i was keeping as a secret project i'm gonna officially unveil it soon when i have something concrete too show.

I smell Garry's mod

[missvalentine]

I'm reviving this topic, since I can't use my own topic I made to continue an argument.

...what? So, as long as Jill is in the game, you couldn't care less if we loose something like, 'What happened to Sherry?' or 'Who exactly is Ada working for?' or 'Who stole Leon's personality?' You know, you're taking your fandom a little too seriously. I'm starting to think the whole reason you think RE2 is overated is it lacks Jill.

Whoa! Calm down man! I respect you and I like your posts. No need to be like this just cause we disagree.

I never said sacrifice it for those. I said a number of times the 4th scenario should be about Claire and Sherry, and there is already a Leon one. I wouldn't really care about Ada, but it wouldn't hurt if she was in it either. I want all those, plus a Jill and Chris BSAA mission. Now we have no idea what a BSAA mission could hold in it storywise. We could get a whole lot of back story on Chris and Jill themselves, it could have Nicholai in it. It could even set up for a completely new story arc in RE6. It could have anything in it. There is no reason it can't add to the story.

And I only think RE2 is slightly overrated. I still think it's a fantastic game. And what you said there is just stupid and offends me. Don't go calling me some obsessive Jill fan like a few others do. I hate it, and it's why I get baited into fights, trying to defend my opinions so much. Ill admit that. I liked RE1 and RE3 before I liked Jill, part of the reason I like her is cause she's in my two favorite games ever. Ive always thought they were superior, it has nothing to do with the characters in them.

You would actually have a scenario where Jill shows up, kills some stuff, goes, 'Yes, we'll still keep fighting! Into our fifites and beyond!' and then go rather than having something that actually adds to the storyline. That's just wrong in so many ways.

No, I would not fucking want that ok! It would make them Mary Sue's, and I just said before I hope they retire soon, and not become like Old Snake. Because that would be stupid.

Why are you being so on the offensive now?

If you continue to derail this thread I'll give you infractions for Spam.

That was my own thread. I should be able to do what I wish in it.

Look, I am sorry, for pissing you off, and sorry for offending you. But I would not have even pursued this argument if people had not insulted me in the first place. I don't know why, but a certain member, seems to have to bring up arguments from the past every time I mention her name. And it causes a huge fight. And I hate it when they do so.

[Darkmoon]

If you wanted a thread to complain about Jill not being in the game, then make that thread. The thread you did make, according to it's title, is to talk about characters in Darkside Chronicles...and yet Jill, the one character confirmed not to to there, was the one that was talked about most. And not, I should hasten to add, because anyone else wanted to. It was purely your doing. If you disagree then please, feel free to contact Dot and complain about me. Otherwise...who made a topic is completely irrelevant.

I'm not aiming to be offensive, but you quite literally said you didn't care what was cut from Darkside Chronicles to make way for Jill. And something would have to go. That ticked me off. Jill has no place in Darkside Chronicles, anymore than Chris does outside the Code Veronica sections, anymore than Leon and Claire had a place in Umbrella Chronicles. Would you have been happy if Jill was cut from the last section of Umbrella Chronicles so Leon could be there instead? A cross agency assault on the last of Umbrella's bases makes sense, doesn't it?

You need to look at it objectively...what would including Jill in a scenario bring? What would it add? At this point, in this game, nothing. A single sub chapter is not enough to add any serious character development to a main series characters, it's only useful for fleshing out smaller ones such as Marvin or Irons or Ben. Maybe have Rodrigo chose not to evacuate Rockford and instead go back to save Claire, getting injured in the process. What could they do for Jill in such a small section?

The answer is: Not a lot. For a start, these smaller scenarios have to take place during an outbreak of some sort, so you're going to have to add her to either the South American scenario or the possible fourth scenario, but that's not confirmed at all, we have no information, and it's more likely the three current scenarios are going to instead be longer and better than the UC counterparts. However, in either scenario, the most you can do with Jill would be something like, 'Investigate area, find infection, get out, call Leon.'

Now, with another character such as Ada you can do some stuff there. Does she call Leon or her superiors. Does she get a choice? Is she leading Leon into things for her own benefit? With Jill, though, it makes less sense. Why would Jill back off for a start, rather than investigate further herself? And that's a best case scenario here. Remember, we can't just have a Jill and Chris scenario at random that doesn't tie into the main game, so it has to link to the main game somehow. And with Capcom I doubt they'd even manage this level of creativity.

Equally, we can't have Jill and Chris in a longer scenario because this isn't there game. Giving them the entirety of the possible fourth scenario, for example, would not be at all good. It would shift the focus away from Leon and Claire and this is there game...if the final scenario is Jill and Chris that says, 'Well, yeah, they can do some of the ground work. But only Chris and Jill can actually have closure on a storyline...even if it's not there storyline.'

So, we're left with Chris and Jill, called in as BSAA agents, who then withdraw and allow Leon to go in instead. They have no time for character development and they add nothing to story, whereas a different character could be developed and add to the story. That's the issue here. If Jill is in this game we loose something, and the only thing we'll have gained is Jill being in the game. There's no way to include her in such a way as to make it worthwhile. She doesn't need to be there and, really, she shouldn't be there.

[missvalentine]

I'm not aiming to be offensive, but you quite literally said you didn't care what was cut from Darkside Chronicles to make way for Jill. And something would have to go. That ticked me off.

Sorry, I should have been more clear on that. I was doing something else while typing that and didn't re read it or think it through well enough.

I don't think anything should be cut. If something has to be cut, then cut RE2 and CVX, because well, we already know what happens, and any chance at a new scenario is good. I don't think cutting the two rehashes would do much harm. But then it would be be chronicles would it. Also, I have a feeling, that if RE2 and CVX are in DSC, all hopes of a real RE2 Remake will go down the drain. And people will say all a real remake would add would be free walking around and a different camera. Since the story and cutscenes would already be in DSC. So yeah, I'm not happy about them being in DSC, an on rails Remake is not a good idea.

I would like there to be Sherry, Claire, Leon and other people mission too in the game. And I would not like any of them cut just for a Jill Chris mission. I would like it more if they added a 5th mission. Like I said in another topic, games need to be longer, like they were 10 years ago.

I see your point on why she doesn't need to be in it. But nevertheless, I would enjoy seeing her in it, and quite a few other people have stated that too. That they would enjoy her making an appearance, even if it's a two second cameo with one line spoken.

But I'm not going to argue this anymore as I am really sick of it.

Lets just, agree to disagree.

[Zombie Fred]

Sorry, I should have been more clear on that. I was doing something else while typing that and didn't re read it or think it through well enough.

I don't think anything should be cut. If something has to be cut, then cut RE2 and CVX, because well, we already know what happens, and any chance at a new scenario is good. I don't think cutting the two rehashes would do much harm. But then it would be be chronicles would it. Also, I have a feeling, that if RE2 and CVX are in DSC, all hopes of a real RE2 Remake will go down the drain. And people will say all a real remake would add would be free walking around and a different camera. Since the story and cutscenes would already be in DSC. So yeah, I'm not happy about them being in DSC, an on rails Remake is not a good idea.

I would like there to be Sherry, Claire, Leon and other people mission too in the game. And I would not like any of them cut just for a Jill Chris mission. I would like it more if they added a 5th mission. Like I said in another topic, games need to be longer, like they were 10 years ago.

I see your point on why she doesn't need to be in it. But nevertheless, I would enjoy seeing her in it, and quite a few other people have stated that too. That they would enjoy her making an appearance, even if it's a two second cameo with one line spoken.

But I'm not going to argue this anymore as I am really sick of it.

Lets just, agree to disagree.

But the whole point for this game was to be set on the events on the "dark side" side of things; Resident Evil 2 and Code Veronica was sure given to be in the next game (and it was obvious there would be another with the huge success Umbrella Chronicles had made when released) and it's the whole reasons why this game exist, to follow the story for Leon and Claire (and those who are related are PIVITOL to the story) so it's a given to the scenarios we would be playing, and the extra story to tie in several events for later.

The best bet is to see if they want to do another chronicles, so it would become a triology on-rail set, before they go onto doing a Third person survival action/horror for the Wii (wii+?) next, since there are still several chapters to tell (Ark thompson from gun suvivor, the related umbrella islands and victims that have survived the terrors of biological weapons, and then the event of Chris and Jill in the start of the BSAA, before she become Nina Williams)

[missvalentine]

But the whole point for this game was to be set on the events on the "dark side" side of things; Resident Evil 2 and Code Veronica was sure given to be in the next game (and it was obvious there would be another with the huge success Umbrella Chronicles had made when released) and it's the whole reasons why this game exist, to follow the story for Leon and Claire (and those who are related are PIVITOL to the story) so it's a given to the scenarios we would be playing, and the extra story to tie in several events for later.

The best bet is to see if they want to do another chronicles, so it would become a triology on-rail set, before they go onto doing a Third person survival action/horror for the Wii (wii+?) next, since there are still several chapters to tell (Ark thompson from gun suvivor, the related umbrella islands and victims that have survived the terrors of biological weapons, and then the event of Chris and Jill in the start of the BSAA, before she become Nina Williams)

Yeah I know. It needs RE2 and CVX to be a chronicles game. But I can't help but have a feeling it will eclipse all hope of a real true remake.

I know I said before, that I think there will be a Chronicles trilogy, cause everyone loves trilogy's. But I was thinking, and realized capcom seems to have a thing for Sequels. (Sequel being a set of two).

I mean, the Outbreak Sequel, the Mansion Sequel (RE0, RE1) The Raccoon City Sequel (RE2, RE3). The Chris VS Wesker sequel (CVX, RE5). The Gun Survivor canon Sequel (Survivor, Dead Aim). And the new style Sequel (RE4, RE5). And so I assume Chronicles will follow suit.

If they break the pattern and make a third Chronicles game however. Then It would be great. And that should certainly have Jill and Rebecca in it.

[aris13]

But I can't help but have a feeling it will eclipse all hope of a real true remake.

The only RE game that deserves a remake is Gun Survivor, RE 2 is too perfect to be remade.

And missv if you wanted to talk about Jill then why you started another topic about it.......

[missvalentine]

The only RE game that deserves a remake is Gun Survivor, RE 2 is too perfect to be remade.

And missv if you wanted to talk about Jill then why you started another topic about it.......

I don't think so. No game is to perfect for a remake. I think RE2, RE3 and CVX should get the same treatment RE1 got.

I revived this topic instead of making a separate topic.

[BadWolfX]

I don't think Code: Veronica needs it, I agree with RE2 and RE3 though.

[Alexia_Ashford]

I don't think Code: Veronica needs it, I agree with RE2 and RE3 though.

I completely disagree. I think Code Veronica needs it more than RE2 or RE3, because the point of a remake is to, obviously, remake a game. RE2 and RE3 were great as they were and the only thing they could really do is increase the graphics, add a couple of new gameplay elements and expand ever so slightly on the story (a la REmake). Code Veronica, however, had a lot of flaws, but a lot of story potential. The gameplay sometimes made it unplayable, or extremely irritating. If it got a remake, these things could be eliminated, making it overall a much better game and an entirely new experience. It makes a lot more sense to remake something which had bad elements but with a lot of potential, than something which was a masterpiece as it was.