The Central "Jill Valentine" Discussion Topic

[Canas Renvall]

I agree with Alexia, I wouldn't mind seeing the DSC Claire running around with her twin guns. Also, seeing as how CVX is the longest game, if they could get the gameplay elements of REmake in there (defense items and such), it would be a nice, long trip down happiness lane.

And let's be honest, who hasn't completely begged for a REmake-caliber Wesker vs. Chris fight?

[Alexia_Ashford]

It's not just that, it's things like how there is no pre-warning of the character switches and how any items in Claire/Chris' inventory, you can't use them for the remainder of the game. If they did a REmake, they could change things such as any items in their inventory automatically gets put in the item box. They could also make the environments more interesting and cut down on the amount of backtracking. If they had the same atmosphere of REmake in places like the doctor's torture chamber, it could be truly unsettling.

[BadWolfX]

Well I was more thinking that Code: Veronica is more recent than the other two but you do bring up good points. Another thing that is annoying is if you don't take the empty fire extinguisher. I always forget about needing it to get the Magnum near the end.

[GuardhouseMusic]

I completely disagree. I think Code Veronica needs it more than RE2 or RE3, because the point of a remake is to, obviously, remake a game. RE2 and RE3 were great as they were and the only thing they could really do is increase the graphics, add a couple of new gameplay elements and expand ever so slightly on the story (a la REmake). Code Veronica, however, had a lot of flaws, but a lot of story potential. The gameplay sometimes made it unplayable, or extremely irritating. If it got a remake, these things could be eliminated, making it overall a much better game and an entirely new experience. It makes a lot more sense to remake something which had bad elements but with a lot of potential, than something which was a masterpiece as it was.

The arguments for "why it makes sense to remake this installment over the other" or "why this game needs a remake more than the other" are purely subjective. Regardless of what you think of RE:CV, publications love it (look at the reviews of both the original and X), and I suppose there are people who find every bit of puzzle solving/backtracking rewarding. Regardless of whether you think RE3 is a masterpiece (while you didn't say exactly that, the last sentence implies it), there are people who believe that the game is one of the weakest in the series. Ditto RE2 and RE1; I'm sure there are many people who can find limitations. A remake doesn't imply that the title needs it, take a look at the film industry.

[missvalentine]

And let's be honest, who hasn't completely begged for a REmake-caliber Wesker vs. Chris fight?

I.

I would not like that to be honest. That story arc should die and stay dead.


I think that CVX probably needs a remake more. But that doesn't mean RE2 and RE3 shouldn't get them either. An RE3 Remake could add a lot more to the story, people have always said RE3's only weak point was it's simpler storyline. It never bothered me, but they could patch that up with a Remake.

I don't think RE2 is perfect either. It needs a remake as well. I think it's the only RE game now that doesn't have a version with quick turn available IIRC.

[Canas Renvall]

^ I would think you'd want it just to see Chris get whooped on, though.

I kid, I kid.

However, I do agree that RE3 could benefit from added storyline. So long as it isn't like what UC did (wait, there was a more advanced Tyrant than T-002 before it was made? What?)...

Also, yes, RE2 does need a quick-turn. XD

[Guest]

I liked how re3 is made, I keep playing the game. Jill reminds me of lara croft XD

[missvalentine]

^ I would think you'd want it just to see Chris get whooped on, though.

I kid, I kid.

However, I do agree that RE3 could benefit from added storyline. So long as it isn't like what UC did (wait, there was a more advanced Tyrant than T-002 before it was made? What?)...

Also, yes, RE2 does need a quick-turn. XD

Id rather Jill beat Chris up. Man on Man isn't much to my liking.

I think if RE3 had more added to the story, it would finally get some damned recognition. I hate it when it's overlooked. I think RE3's story is fine myself, but I agree it's a lot less complex, so if they added just a few extra things, and maybe added some back story to Jill. I think it would without a doubt be the greatest RE game ever. it already has perfect gameplay. And an updated Nemmy model would just be, orgasmic. XD

I liked how re3 is made, I keep playing the game. Jill reminds me of lara croft XD

That's weird, cause Jill was before Lara. But oh well.

[Guest]

When I first played Re3 and saw jill had some dodge move, I was like god damn this is so awesome! Not to mention I keep freakin out fighting nemesis everyone he chases you XD

[Jill Lover]

Sorry missv but RE3 is already perfect. Not matter what they say. You know they'll always argue about the Jillyness over and over again.

[valentinesdead?]

Neither RE2, RE3, or RE Code Veronica, are *perfect*. All three could use serious updates. Anything post Remake has aged very well.

Capcom, you've milked the RE franchise long enough on the Wii, with the Re4 port and two gameplay lax rail shooters. It's time to use all that money to properly greenlight at least *one* real remake for the Wii for christ sakes. Enough is enough.

[missvalentine]

Sorry missv but RE3 is already perfect. Not matter what they say. You know they'll always argue about the Jillyness over and over again.

Oh I agree. In my opinion anyways it's perfect. In fact, it's only imperfection cold be that fact that most people tend to overlook it. And a Remake could fix this.

Also RE3 in Remake graphics would be orgasmic. It's worth it just for that.

Neither RE2, RE3, or RE Code Veronica, are *perfect*. All three could use serious updates. Anything post Remake has aged very well.

Capcom, you've milked the RE franchise long enough on the Wii, with the Re4 port and two gameplay lax rail shooters. It's time to use all that money to properly greenlight at least *one* real remake for the Wii for christ sakes. Enough is enough.

This, Remake already dammit capcom!

But I think they should be on the PS3, not the Wii.

[valentinesdead?]

This, Remake already dammit capcom!

But I think they should be on the PS3, not the Wii.

See, the problem with remaking it, or RE2 or RECVX for the PS3 and 360 is the simple fact it would cost around the same in budget and man hours that RE5 did. That's not really a finacially feasible solution for Capcom to use its resources to remake old games on the most powerful systems when they need to concern themselves with the eventual Resident Evil 6. However, given the fact that the Wii is a souped up gamecube(and RE4 still looks really damn good as far as textures and character models, and its 4 years old. The Wii can certainly do better), it simply makes the most sense to upgrade these original games on the Wii exclusivly. Its the perfect balance, appeasing fans, and Capcom's best chance to make their money back on such projects. Like I originally said, anything post Remake is really fine as it as graphically, voice-acting, presentation, story-wise. The only thing lacking is the High Def, unfortuantely.

[Jill's Boob]

RECV has more substance than RE2/RE3. Plus, despite it being on a more recent platform, it hasn't aged as well. Graphically, RECV looks worse (to me, and many others) than RE2/3. That's why I nominate it for a remake first...even though all of us pining for remakes are honestly probably just "peeing into the wind."

Alexia makes many other great points that hammer home the fact that RECV is most in need of an honest-to-goodness remake/overhaul.

As for the re-opening of this thread:

Do we really need to go off on the baseless Jill ramblings again? I could see if she was getting ready to make an appearance in a DLC game, or making some sort of worthwhile appearance, but she's yesterday's news. Again.

[missvalentine]

See, the problem with remaking it, or RE2 or RECVX for the PS3 and 360 is the simple fact it would cost around the same in budget and man hours that RE5 did.

I don't see how that would happen. The Remake will have Camera angles and everything, shouldn't take more than a year of two to make at most. Platform should not make a difference.

RE5 took ages cause it was fully 3D worlds and all that mo cap stuff.

RECV has more substance than RE2/RE3. Plus, despite it being on a more recent platform, it hasn't aged as well. Graphically, RECV looks worse (to me, and many others) than RE2/3. That's why I nominate it for a remake first...even though all of us pining for remakes are honestly probably just "peeing into the wind."

Alexia makes many other great points that hammer home the fact that RECV is most in need of an honest-to-goodness remake/overhaul.

As for the re-opening of this thread:

Do we really need to go off on the baseless Jill ramblings again? I could see if she was getting ready to make an appearance in a DLC game, or making some sort of worthwhile appearance, but she's yesterday's news. Again.

I agree. CVX has aged terrible. I think it probably does need a remake more than RE2 and RE3. But I want an RE2 and RE3 Remake more anyways.

And, well, I was told to go resurrect this topic by Darkmoon cause I wanted to talk about Jill.