Resident Evil: Degeneration "leaked"

[Guest]

mmm, but i have a very big question for anyone: WHO IS THE GENERAL GRANDE?????

That would be a dictator from an X country who uses bioterrorism for power Spoiler:

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, he's the one who was going to buy the T and G virus to the guy from Wilpharma (I don't remember hes name); but then leves that things at the end of the movie because of the fall of Wilpharma and all

[Becky's Butt]

So Leon has no emotion in this.
Thus his RE4 self is superior.
But people still try to make Degeneration Leon out to be better.
Amusing.

[Member_of_STARS]

So Leon has no emotion in this.
Thus his RE4 self is superior.
But people still try to make Degeneration Leon out to be better.
Amusing.

Him showing no emotion is an overblown overstatement. In Degeneration, he looks like a professional who is trained to deal with exactly those kind of situations. He acts exctly the way he should have acted. When he saw zombies, he knew their weaknesses and how one can become tactically inferior to them, so he kept the squad as much in check as he could, but since they posed no threat to him, he remained calm. Which is a LOT more realistic, natural, human and EXPECTED from a trained pro. His composure changed a little when he had to deal with the G monster which shows that unexpected can still provide him a kick, but since he has dealt with one before, he wasnt shitting his pants.

He was a LOT more human, natural, professional and through that, cooler and better character than in RE4. RE4 was crap.

[Mr_Zombie]

In every clip from RE: D that I saw, Leon showed no emotion, at all. :/ Every time the same look at his face, every time the same pose (standing straight)... if he's always like that in the film, then no wonder people complain about him.
Not to mention, I liked his looked more in RE4 than in the film; here, he looks... weird and unnatural.

[News Bot]

It's not that he lacks emotion. He's just put into a situation where he needs to take control. As MoS said, he's a professional. He's been through the same circumstances before and knows the drill. So he goes through as he should.

He still screams after Angela in the most unintentionally hilarious scene ever, he still cares.

"Run!"
"What?"
"RUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!"

[meninge]

Himher el said:

he's the one who was going to buy the T and G virus to the guy from Wilpharma (I don't remember hes name); but then leves that things at the end of the movie because of the fall of Wilpharma and all

That is not my question, My question was WHO IS HE???? wesker??? or another guy??

The G virus probably sold by wesker or Ada.....

The guy form wilpharma is Frederic Downing.

[News Bot]

Himher el said:


That is not my question, My question was WHO IS HE???? wesker??? or another guy??

The G virus probably sold by wesker or Ada.....

The guy form wilpharma is Frederic Downing.

General Grandé is shown at the very beginning of the film on a newscast.

[Zombie]

I don't have any problem with Leon's behavior in the movie, he is a pro, he is tired of fighting the remains of Umbrella and he is commited to the destroy the virus from the face of the world, my problem is his interaction with Claire, I was expecting something more "emotional". he don't need to be a hero around Claire.

And the scuba diving thing is silly to me.

[Becky's Butt]

Him showing no emotion is an overblown overstatement. In Degeneration, he looks like a professional who is trained to deal with exactly those kind of situations. He acts exctly the way he should have acted. When he saw zombies, he knew their weaknesses and how one can become tactically inferior to them, so he kept the squad as much in check as he could, but since they posed no threat to him, he remained calm. Which is a LOT more realistic, natural, human and EXPECTED from a trained pro. His composure changed a little when he had to deal with the G monster which shows that unexpected can still provide him a kick, but since he has dealt with one before, he wasnt shitting his pants.

He was a LOT more human, natural, professional and through that, cooler and better character than in RE4. RE4 was crap.

Leon was very much human and professional in RE4. if he wasn't professional, he would have been pining over Ada instead of keeping those feelings pent up till his mission was basically over.
He was human as seen by the many times hs's beaten or killed and the different emotions he did express during the game.

But hey, I'll reserve judgment until I see Degeneration. It seems like the typical exaggeration of RE4 haters though.

[Darkmoon]

He may have been professional but he certainly wasn't human. I haven't seen Degeneration yet, although I expect Leon to be a real low point for the movie, but in RE4 when does Leon show his human side? When he throws a few oneliners out? When he doesn't show any fear despite clearly facing a new threat, one he doesn't know and isn't trained to do? When he doesn't seem bothered by the fact a parasite in his head is taking control of him?

Training can only do so much. Experience can only do so much. There comes a point where a person should be terrified of an enemy, regardless. Even if Leon knows about the enemies, as with Degen, that shouldn't mean he isn't afraid of them. Hell, just because you know about guns, have trained to face guns, doesn't mean you can stare down a gun barrel without fear or flinching.

Death is scary. Becomming a zombie or other B.O.W, knowing you might hunt and kill your friends and family, is worse.

[Member_of_STARS]

Leon was very much human and professional in RE4. if he wasn't professional, he would have been pining over Ada instead of keeping those feelings pent up till his mission was basically over.
He was human as seen by the many times hs's beaten or killed and the different emotions he did express during the game.

Next time you see an expertly trained government agent crack jokes after he has killed some people, or cry over the death of someone he barely knows, let me know. He wasnt human, his character was designed with "badass for kiddies" in mind. And seems to me it worked wonderfully. By "human", I mean "realistic", and not a shell that can show something remotely close, yet far away, from what makes a human a human.

If youre a professional, you dont act like an overblown action hero. Unless youre a character in a videogame marketed to sub 12 year olds. Have you ever seen SWAT members cheer after theyve successfully breached a building and neutralised a barricaded suspects situation?

But hey, I'll reserve judgment until I see Degeneration. It seems like the typical exaggeration of RE4 haters though.

No. As a matter of fact, the "typical RE4 haters" see his character as a little bland. But reality often lacks colours you see in games and movies. Hence his character is being balanced by a little more emotional (feminine) Claire Redfield. RE4 haters have been honest about what they are seeing. You sure youre not mixing something up?

[Mr_Zombie]

It's one thing to remain professional on the mission, but when you act as a "pro" even when cheering up your friend or talking with a woman you fallen in love with -- that sound like an emotionless guy to me.

It's kind of sad, because it seems Capcom don't really know what they want to do with Leon. In RE2 he was a rookie, an ordinary guy in a non-ordinary situation. In RE4 he was over the top super agent with lots of stunt action and lame one liners. In RE: Degeneration he is a guy that wants so much to act like a "pro" he shows no emotionon at all :/. The same guy, three different characters.

[Twist]

^ I don't think it's just Leon that Capcom don't have a clue what to do with. It's the serie's as a whole. The serie's has plot holes everywhere, there was a random retcon of the serie's which I feel has ruined it. Capcom have begun turning their ordinary characters into superhuman's. The mytho's and timeline's have been cocked up, too.

So, what I'm basically saying is Capcom are clueless with their own f**king game serie's.

[Member_of_STARS]

[EDIT] Theres something wrong with my keyboard. So bare with the godawful spelling and grammar crashes.

It's one thing to remain professional on the mission, but when you act as a "pro" even when cheering up your friend or talking with a woman you fallen in love with -- that sound like an emotionless guy to me.

An emotionless character can be a realistic one. Given the tactical situation in Degeneration, I find myself drawing parallels between Leon and myself. You completely forgot that the people Leon too along with him, are trained SRT members, think SWAT. Its obvious and realistic to assume that Leon doent figure he needs to spend babysitting them. They know the ROE, they have been trained to shoot fast, smooth and accurate. The only thing Leon had to do was to remind them of the spot to aim for, after which its rock´n´roll. Its all simple. Take it this way. Hes taking command of a UNIT, not two idiots.

Unfortunately CRAPCOM did indeed portray them as idiots. But that doesnt undermine Leons character.

Even if youre falling inlove with someone on an assignment, you have to remind yourself of 2 things first.

1) Love doesnt just come from seeing someone for the first time. Either youve seen too many Hollywood movies or youve never been with a girl before.

2) Considering the assignment, its unrealistic to assume theres going to be hawt sh!t flyin´ ´round between the two.

And finally, about cheering. Youll find that Leon used one of the best motivation methods there are. One, he capitalized on the SRT members own failure to deliver the lesson with maximum efficiency and two, after establishing his superiority and gaining respect, he gave the man a nod. Sounds clishé? Doesnt sound much? But it isnt, and it is a lot. Its also a lot more realistic and what youd actually see happening between people, than two guys yelling "GIMME HAI FIVE!"

In RE: Degeneration he is a guy that wants so much to act like a "pro" he shows no emotionon at all :/. The same guy, three different characters.

They fvcked him up in RE4. Degeneration fixed him. He didnt "try to act like a pro", he WAS a pro. Could you even recognize a pro if you saw one?

[Mr_Zombie]

1) Love doesnt just come from seeing someone for the first time. Either youve seen too many Hollywood movies or youve never been with a girl before.

Or I have played RE2 where Leon has fallen in love with Ada after being with her for several hours (and talking with her no longer than half an hour total). Or I watched this sequence when Leon was holding hands with Angela...
Not to mention, THIS IS movie, and not real life.

And about cheering someone, I'm not talking about SRT members during the mission, I'm talking about Leon's talk with Claire (when she blame herself that she wanted to stop WilPharma and it appears they were creating a vaccine to T-virus) or Angela, when she saw Curtis' house burning.

Like I've said, being a professional during the mission - great, I liked that.
Being an emotionless dude with stoic face during conversation with people (friends included) - not great.