Characters With The Best Fashion Sense

[Member_of_STARS]

LOL @ you fawning over a video game character.

Youre in a thread about videogame characters right now. Hypocrisy comes from the lack of foresight. One cant talk himself into a corner like that, if he is smart enough.

You're right, I never got past MGS1. But what I saw there...gruff voice, I'm-the-best-there-is attitude, chicks drooling over him, perfect soldier mumbo jumbo, "hero worship" from all other characters in the game...it doesn't appeal to me.

So basically youre saying that you dont know sh!t about MGS but choose to have an opinion anyway. Allright, I can roll with that. I mean, who needs to have an educated opinion, with something to back it up so it had more value and was interesting to read, right?

So instead of playing the other MGS games, I chose to do other things, like write, study, or play sports. So in a way, I was doing homework.

Im sure you did, Im sure you did...

I already said that my anti-Solid Snake stance is never popular. Everyone always gets pissy when I say I don't like him or MGS. I don't see what the big deal is. Obviously not everyone likes the same things.

I think youre doing this just for attention. You dont have to like SS, you dont have to like anything. But when you havent even played the game, dont know anything about the franchise and put forth fabrication and lies to prove your argument, dont expect to be liked.

[Becky's Butt]

Now, it's one thing to try and be the devil's advocate and defend RE4 because everyone hates it. But it's another to defend it by completely shitting on every other RE game, especially RE2. See, that's what makes you sound like an RE4 fanboy is that every comparison you make, you have to completely destroy any other RE game.

It seems like fair game to me. If everyone else can spend their posts ripping on RE4, why can't I rip on the other RE games? I don't dislike any of the games and I play them regularly but it gets annoying as shit hearing them propped up on a pedestal.

Leon was not angsty in RE2 at all. In fact, he always tried to be positive and collected and take control of the situation. Now, the fact that he was a rookie cop, and horribly failed at being in control is somewhat of a different story. But never in the game was he all like, "Nobody listens to me. I think I'll just die and get eaten now."
Instead, he got angry, he was like, "Why does nobody listen to me?" Almost as if to say, "Are they all idiots? I'm a cop!"

Angst, Definition:
a German word for anxiety that is used to refer to the nagging, worrying sensation that something is wrong.

Angsty is not overly whiny emo like most people seem to interpret it on the net.

Leave your elementary school opinions and OMFG JIZZ IN YO PANTS LEON out of a civil discussion and maybe I'll consider it.

Still waiting for you to drop the elementary school BS.

Oh, and it's hardly a "civil" discussion when you're being a jerk about everything by constantly dis-regarding any sort of argument or piece of rational logic handed to you, then pulling up some nursery-level comment about how "badass" (bullshit word by the way) a bunch of lame, bland, poorly constructed characters are.

Well, just for starters, the only people I said were badass in this thread (that I recall) are Auron and Ash Williams. Auron is not bland and he's also a far superior character to anyone in RE.

And Ash..he's the King. End of story.

Besides, it doesn't look like Jill's Boob, MoS and Bio Ex are having problems with having a civil discussion. That's why i respect them and think you're a conceited fool who can't debate worth shit.

What age are you, 12? Or are you just a really bad weeaboo that thinks ridiculous clothes, hairstyles that make more sense as a weapon than an over-sized sword and angsty women masquerading as men are the very definition of badass?

Wait, what the fuck is a weeaboo? Is it like a Japanophile? Because I hate them more than any other fandom. Stupid pricks who think dubs are all inherent crap and have to complain about every translation error. Idiots.

And no, I'm just a guy who appreciates good fucking characters. Something RE has never and probably won'te ver have. I could take almost any shitty anime in history and find better characters than in RE.

And oh my, anime has feminine characters and outlandishly big swords...I've never heard this complaint/insult before. It's funny that some people are so threatened. They simply can't get their tiny brains around the fact a guy can look beautiful in a work of fiction and still beat the living shit out of anyone who comes his way.
I guess it's cultural ignorance and intolerance.

Then you have the nerve to say "lol everything should be like this"? That reaches a whole new level of sadness I can't begin to comprehend, let alone describe.

Pardon if I'd like better characters, scripts and stories.

Oh, and your arguments are bullshit and you really need to do some research into the things your trying to demean.

Says Stereotypical Anime Hater Gay.
"Lulz they got big swords and look like girls111 How ST00PID11!"

I have played every main RE game minus Survivor and REmake (though I've read the script and files enough to know the plot perfectly) and I can demean the RE series as much as I want since I know it perfectly and accept how very limited it is.

Pardon the language to any people not in this debate. I just take it very badly to have my knowledge of RE questioned.

[Biohazard EX]

Angst, Definition:
a German word for anxiety that is used to refer to the nagging, worrying sensation that something is wrong.

Angsty is not overly whiny emo like most people seem to interpret it on the net.

Yeah, but just by saying that... I could say "Emo is not whiny like people think. Emo means emotion which could be happiness, anger, blah blah blah"
There are certain words that take a certain meaning in the english conversation, that deviates from their literal meaning. Which, if you want to get so literal, fine. I was just saving myself some sentences... So back there where I said 'angsty', replace that with, 'unreasonably whiny, overcomplicating their lives with meaningless problems'.

[Darkmoon]

Badass - Meaning a serious problem with the rectum. Also, see dumbass.

Nikkolas, are you attacking the other RE games because you dislike them or because others attack RE4? Because if it's the latter...then what the hell are you doing man? Just because others attack one game you attack another that you actualy like? What? And, seriously, if you need to attack other games to defend RE4...then don't you think RE4 has got some issues, that you have to tear other games down first for it to look good?

Seriously, if you're having a go at other RE games for such a dumb reason you really need to stop. Just because folks don't like RE4 doesn't mean it's sensible, or logical, to attack the others in the series. You wanna compare them? Fine. But what you've done isn't compare.

You want folks to change there mind about RE4? Then argue based on it's own merits, otherwise you just look like a fruitcake determined to tell us how awesome RE4 is because everything else is crap. Which is crazy as hell and, honestly, the reason why most of the forum out and out don't like you. At least with guys like BioEX they explain there reasons WITHOUT trying to rip other things apart.

And if you wanna use that deffinition of emo...doesn't it bother you that in a situation where Leon is essentially fighting an unknown enemy, his target implanted with a parasite, himself planted with a parasite, being chased by monsters that are both massive and lethal he doesn't have a 'nagging, worrying sensation that something is wrong.' Because, seriously, I may not be a superhuman agent with a prasite hair cut but I kn ow I would.

As for fashion, the topic at hand, I'm gonna say the outfits that make sense in the enviroment are best. Such as the millitary gear. But they have to make sense with the character as well. You wouldn't expect Yoko from Outbreak in tac gear. It has to fit both the enviroment and the character.

Which is why comparing Final Fantasy and Resident Evil doesn't work. Which is better, water or air? They're totally different. Auron's outfit makes sense of the character and the setting. In Resident Evil it would be laugh out loud dumb. Just as Leon would look like a muppet set down in a Final Fantasy game.

Well, more like a muppet.

[Becky's Butt]

Nikkolas, are you attacking the other RE games because you dislike them or because others attack RE4? Because if it's the latter...then what the hell are you doing man? Just because others attack one game you attack another that you actualy like? What? And, seriously, if you need to attack other games to defend RE4...then don't you think RE4 has got some issues, that you have to tear other games down first for it to look good?

Look at it this way: RE4 Leon's character get sa lot of shit right?
Why? Oh i've heard it all. "He was so much better in RE2. He had so much more emotion and was a far superior character."
Thus I seem to have to remind them of reality; telling them about how he was a standard shmuck dropped in a situation over his head and falling unrealistic emotional attachments with a woman he talked to for like 10 minutes.
Anyone who says he was a cliche loser in RE4 obviously missed he was a cliche loser in RE2 as well.

You want folks to change there mind about RE4? Then argue based on it's own merits, otherwise you just look like a fruitcake determined to tell us how awesome RE4 is because everything else is crap. Which is crazy as hell and, honestly, the reason why most of the forum out and out don't like you. At least with guys like BioEX they explain there reasons WITHOUT trying to rip other things apart.

I have not seen a post of Bio Ex on RE4 where ha hasn't ripped it apart. Or ar eyou talking about ripping apart other games in comparison to RE4?

Which is why comparing Final Fantasy and Resident Evil doesn't work. Which is better, water or air? They're totally different. Auron's outfit makes sense of the character and the setting. In Resident Evil it would be laugh out loud dumb. Just as Leon would look like a muppet set down in a Final Fantasy game.

I never said they should look exactly like Auron. A character wielding a huge katana just be stupid in the REverse.
I just said they could use some of the elements of superior media to improve itself. There's nothing wrong with that IMO.

As for why I like RE4....same reason i like the rest of the series. I get to play a game where I mow down the enemies in search for the truth and escape. Maybe that's one reason I never had such a problem with the game. "It's not horror" never bugged me because the RE series was never scary in the first place. So a wave of Ganados or a wave of zombies, same shit, different shovel.
I like many others preferred the superior controls of the game though I never disliked the tank fonctrols of the past. I just liked being able to precisely aim.

I liked RE4's set of characters for what they were worth. Saddler was Evil Overlord, Krauser was Badass Mercenary and Leon was Super Agent Man. Nothing wrong with that. Krauser particularly was awesome IMO. Loved his voice-actor and outfit.

But like I've said I prefer RE2, 3 and Zero to 4. Main reason being 2 had Birkin and the G-Virus, 3 was my first RE game and I enjoyed James Marcus' history and the origin of Umbrella and the T-Virus being fleshed out. That's the condensed version of why i prefer them anyway.

So people can not like me all they want. I like what I like and others here disagree...such is life. As long as everyone's civil about it, so what?

[Biohazard EX]

Evil Overlord, Super Agent Man. See, these things are not what Resident Evil is about. Resident Evil used to be about normal people (albeit with some training), surviving extraordinary circumstances. It made the story more believable.
And yes, an Evil Overlord and Secret Agent Man are the kinds of things that pushed Resident Evil into the Fantasy region and away from Science fiction. It basically changed the whole genre of the entire canon. Which is the major reason I don't like it.
I mean, imagine there was a Final Fantasy game that was based entirely on realism.

About my eariler comment, about you shutting down everything about older games... Yes, I always bash on RE4, but I genuinely dislike it. That's the difference. Like, I enjoy Anderson's movies very much. But in my argument to defend the movies, at no point am I going to say, "Jill sucked in RE3, she was much better in the movie". Unless I honestly believe it, like Carlos and Claire, who I liked better their movie versions of. But that's a whole different discussion. Either way, I hold the first three games in higher regards as the movies, and I would never go as far as to completely destroy those games just for the sake of defending the movies.

[Darkmoon]

Look at it this way: RE4 Leon's character get sa lot of shit right?
Why? Oh i've heard it all. "He was so much better in RE2. He had so much more emotion and was a far superior character."
Thus I seem to have to remind them of reality; telling them about how he was a standard shmuck dropped in a situation over his head and falling unrealistic emotional attachments with a woman he talked to for like 10 minutes.
Anyone who says he was a cliche loser in RE4 obviously missed he was a cliche loser in RE2 as well.

That's folks opinions. Leon seemed more human in RE2 than RE4. He does some of the same things in RE2, like falling in love with Ada five seconds after meeting her, but he comes across as a confused and, indeed, sometimes scared rookie. In RE4 he either shows too little emotion (I got a parasite in my brain? Maybe the hair will eat it...) or far too much (LUIIISSSS!)

Problem is, he's a hell of a lot more annoying in RE4. He throws out too many bad one liners and just doesn't show emotion in the right place at the right time to seem human.

I have not seen a post of Bio Ex on RE4 where ha hasn't ripped it apart. Or ar eyou talking about ripping apart other games in comparison to RE4?

I'm talking about how BioEX does raz on RE4, a lot, but he explains himself well and has real points. Hell, I agree with him a lot. If you wanna defend RE4 then you need to explain why it's so good for you, plus why WE need to like it. You want us all to stop being nasty about it, so you're nasty about a game we like. Instead you should explain to us why our points aren't valid.

I never said they should look exactly like Auron. A character wielding a huge katana just be stupid in the REverse.
I just said they could use some of the elements of superior media to improve itself. There's nothing wrong with that IMO.

Fair enough. But things that work in Final Fantasy won't work in RE, because they are very different franchises. And as BioEx points out they have taken quite a few points from FF already. As to whether Final Fantasy is superior...well, that's personal preference.

As for why I like RE4....same reason i like the rest of the series. I get to play a game where I mow down the enemies in search for the truth and escape. Maybe that's one reason I never had such a problem with the game. "It's not horror" never bugged me because the RE series was never scary in the first place. So a wave of Ganados or a wave of zombies, same shit, different shovel.

I did, but I have a very good imagination. Honestly, I find a single decent enemy, such as a zombie, more freaky to fight than five or six ganados. Swarm tactics never bothered me because you were usually equiped to handle them, bt a single tough enemy is tough until you have the right firepower.

Plus zombies are just scarier, and ganados are too damned dumb.

I like many others preferred the superior controls of the game though I never disliked the tank fonctrols of the past. I just liked being able to precisely aim.

I have no problem with the new controls, since they make the game easier to play and, yes, more fun. I do have a problem with the overly actiony gameplay mind, with waves and groups of enemies assaulting you. It's too actiony to be scary. And yeah, for me, scary is important in a RE game.

I liked RE4's set of characters for what they were worth. Saddler was Evil Overlord, Krauser was Badass Mercenary and Leon was Super Agent Man. Nothing wrong with that. Krauser particularly was awesome IMO. Loved his voice-actor and outfit.

Uhhh...we'll need to disagree on this one. Saddler was both sterotypical and stupid for me, Leon was too over the top in some places and too emotionless in others and Krasuer seemed like he was stamped from a cookie cutter, albeit a good one. Not that the other games are much better but there was a noticible drop in characters and there development between the games.

But like I've said I prefer RE2, 3 and Zero to 4. Main reason being 2 had Birkin and the G-Virus, 3 was my first RE game and I enjoyed James Marcus' history and the origin of Umbrella and the T-Virus being fleshed out. That's the condensed version of why i prefer them anyway.

So people can not like me all they want. I like what I like and others here disagree...such is life. As long as everyone's civil about it, so what?

Well, it's mostly that this thread has gotten silly, as have a lot of others, because of fighting about bloody RE4. And the fact I find it incredibly wierd that you're attacking games you like just because others are attacking another game you also like. Which, really, does nothing but cause more fights and as a mod I like peace, and quiet.

[News Bot]

Says Stereotypical Anime Hater Gay.

Actually, I don't hate all anime. In-fact, I've watched some anime most people would rather castrate themselves over. I also do indeed play RPG's, in-fact my GotY for 2008 is, shockingly, Persona 4. An RPG, with huge anime tones. I also enjoyed Akira, A.D Police and Ghost in the Shell. The majority of anime however, is complete and utter fluff.

I'm just a guy who appreciates good fucking characters

Contradiction am Nikkolas.

Something RE has never and probably won'te ver have.

THE CONTRADICTIONS AND IRONY ARE STRONG IN THIS ONE.

Pardon if I'd like better characters, scripts and stories.

Better? Debatable. The only RPG I've ever found with a story worth a shit is the Persona series. But you're still basically saying that a Survival Horror series should just be generic anime crap. The series was born from the concept of B movies and Romero's films in general. How the fuck can you liken them to anime/RPG's with a straight face? If you prefer better characters, stories and scripts, why the fuck do you even play the games if it's such a HUGE issue for you? You make it seem as if the entire game depends on those three things.

So people can not like me all they want. I like what I like and others here disagree...such is life. As long as everyone's civil about it, so what?

Don't even try and play the innocence card. The only reason these topics drag out is because of you. You always have something to say and never take anything anyone else says even so much into consideration. You're too far set on your own opinion that you feel the need to DEFEND DEFEND DEFEND ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK until the topic loses all original meaning. Such as this one.

Heed your own advice, such is life, learn to pipe down once in a while. You're not proving a point (aside from you love arguing over nonsense) nor are you on your way to curing all forms of cancer by endlessly debating your simple-minded bullshit in nearly every topic you come across.

Of course this will be ignored completely and you'll go on to stretch the argument out another 7 pages with even more senseless arguments and equally moronic comments.

[Darkmoon]

No, he won't. And nor will anyone else soon. This is the start of my Campaign Against Your Human Rights. In otherwords, I'm gonna start punishing folk for taking topics off into RE4 fights or some other random crap. I usually don't mind topics actually going off topic, so long as people aren't obviously trying to do it, as such things do naturally evolve. One topic of debate leads to another. Fine. They don't all lead to bloody fights though.

My patience for so many topics becomming a crap fest is wearing most thin.

Also, don't insult him. It ain't nice and it is against the rules.

[Biohazard EX]

Alright then, back on topic. This all comes back to my point that Leon's Jacket is not all that. It was decent, but people overhyping and overexposing it made it uncool.

[Darkmoon]

Personally I prefer denim jackets to leather, and I didn't like Leon's anyway. Still, it wasn't as though he could walk into a peaceful town in full tactical gear, really. And at the time he had no idea what was happening. So it makes sense he wasn't dressed for killing. Even if he looks silly in that jacket.

Ada has no excuse. She knew what was happening. I guess she figured some seduction might be order at some point. That dress has no other purpose.

[Biohazard EX]

No, no, but speaking purely of fashion, his jacket isn't all that. It's not the hottest fashion piece of jacket in the world like people hype it up to be.
Let's face it, half the people bought the jacket because they saw Leon wear it, and then after they were turned off by his personality, they try to justify the jacket as being the hottest fashion item. It's really not all that.

[Zombie Fred]

No, no, but speaking purely of fashion, his jacket isn't all that. It's not the hottest fashion piece of jacket in the world like people hype it up to be.
Let's face it, half the people bought the jacket because they saw Leon wear it, and then after they were turned off by his personality, they try to justify the jacket as being the hottest fashion item. It's really not all that.

Remember, it's opinion that depends on fashion taste, and your comment on the jacket yourself. It could be for other reasons.

[Biohazard EX]

Yeah, that's true. But then no piece of clothing in the world is amazing. I mean, someone with a different type of fashion sense can say that Ada has a bad taste in fashion and that her dress looks bad on her.
But that being the case, there's my opinion right there. That Leon is by far not the most fashionable character in RE.

[Jill's Boob]

Youre in a thread about videogame characters right now. Hypocrisy comes from the lack of foresight. One cant talk himself into a corner like that, if he is smart enough.

It's not hypocrisy when I blatantly stated that you are indeed getting worked up over me insulting your precious Solid Snake. It eats you alive to see someone bash your fictional video game idol. Go back and look at the progression of the posts, you'll see my point.

So basically youre saying that you dont know sh!t about MGS but choose to have an opinion anyway. Allright, I can roll with that. I mean, who needs to have an educated opinion, with something to back it up so it had more value and was interesting to read, right?

Again, you fail to read the posts in the natural progression of the debate. I said that I played up to MGS1 (including the two NES entries), and stopped liking it there. That I didn't like Solid Snake as a character, and ended my association with the franchise. I never said I disliked the multi-game storyline or whatever else transpired in MGS 2-4. But if they were similar to the farfetched, over-reaching, overrated story arc from MGS1, then I wouldn't have liked them either.

Im sure you did, Im sure you did...

Believe me or not, I obviously did something more productive with my personal time than play and replay MGS 2,3,4 like yourself.

I think youre doing this just for attention. You dont have to like SS, you dont have to like anything. But when you havent even played the game, dont know anything about the franchise and put forth fabrication and lies to prove your argument, dont expect to be liked.

How? What? Attention? I simply stated that I don't like overrated characters who are "too cool" like Leon & Solid Snake. I've said this mutltiple times about both within the confines of these message boards. How is this "seeking attention?" And where did I fabricate/lie about a franchise?

You're getting bent out of shape over me having a different opinion than you? On a fictional video game series?

My initial point to be made was still relevant to the topic at hand, when I was saying that each of us has different opinions on our likes/dislikes, especially concerning the "fashion" of video game characters or the attributes they possess. Then you took my slighting of the MGS franchise personally.

And it seems we need to be back on topic or we'll be blasted with infractions. So if you still want to continue your personal rant on why I am a "stupid doo-doo head" because I don't cream myself over your personal idol Solid Snake, then do it via PM. He's fake, you know? He doesn't need you to defend his honor. But it's sweet that you are.