who's the most underhyped character?

[missvalentine]

Rebecca's character pretty much stands still for all of RE0. It had to, because she still had to be the naive rookie by the time Chris finds her in RE1.

I also think Jill's character is rather stagnant. From the start of RE3 to the end of RE3, she's pretty much the same woman (and a rather boring one in my opinion). The only characters in the series that seem to have grown are Claire (from citizen, to searching for Chris, to NGO member), Leon (from rookie cop to special agent), and Chris (from cop to BSAA agent). And their motives for changing are quite plausible. I don't think the same can be said for Wesker (cop to virus collector (CVX) to parasite collector (RE4) to data collector (RE:UC), and his motives.... ? Who knows really).

However I think it's only seems that so few characters change from title to title is because not many characters are afforded a sequel.

are you forgetting Jill was in RE1 as well?

and Jill's character advanced from RE1 to RE3, sure she still had the same job, but her character was much stronger and more sure of herself in RE3 than in RE1, so don't pretend like she has no character development or something, cause your wrong.

and Chris, same character, different clothing, that's all.

all your saying is there jobs, or what they do, that's not there character.

and you don't need to have a character that changes dramatically in every game *points at Leon*

and in my opinion Jill IS the most interesting character in RE, no one else interests me as much as she does.

[Jill Lover]

Jill starts off RE3 angry at Umbrella. At the end of RE3 she's angry at Umbrella.
Sure she eventually defeats the nemesis, and the biggest adversity she faces in the game is being infected by the T-virus.
She over-comes that adversity by sitting unconscious for a day while someone rescues her. Well done Capcom writers. It's inconsequential anyways, because her character doesn't change because of it. She's still the same old Jill Valentine, as angry as ever at Umbrella.

Am I the only one that thinks Jill is a very one dimensional character??

I completely disagree with what you said about Claire in Degeneation Jill_Lover. I think Claire is the best thing in Degeneration. It advances her character, and re-enforces what we already knew about her from past installments in the franchise.
Claire's actions in the intro of CODE: Veronica mean nothing. It's the motives behind her actions, which was to find Chris. If it was Claire and Leon running around shootin' doods instead of Leon and Angela, that would fly in the face of everything we knew about Claire from prior games. I applaud Capcom for not ruining a good character.

Well that's your opinion. How do you want her to behave after all the madness she faced in Raccoon City? She was still angry because she wasn't able to bring down the corporation. Her character may not have changed, but she remained faithful to her roots. She was still a warrior, that's the difference between Jill and Claire. Jill is not a college girl, and if you are to pretend that RECV's intro never happened, well... it sadly happened and I (myself) was expecting a little bit of action-packed for her in DEG. Although I do like the movie and all, there is something about her character that wasn't very well shaped. So that's for her, she joined Terra-Save and that's all... she doesn't fight anymore. I remember Claire being brave in RE2... maybe just an hallucination?

[TheSelfishGene]

and Jill's character advanced from RE1 to RE3, sure she still had the same job, but her character was much stronger and more sure of herself in RE3 than in RE1, so don't pretend like she has no character development or something, cause your wrong.

This gets messy, because we can be talking about REmake or the original RE1.
I totally agree that she matured as a character over the course of RE1/REmake, as a cop who had a bad day on the job, to someone who wants to focus every fibre of their being to bringing down a corporation. It's the RE3 portion I'm not a huge fan of.
I think she comes across as stronger in the original, simply because Barry isn't there to shoot Wesker in the labs. She comes off as a little less dependant.

and Chris, same character, different clothing, that's all.

Not true. In CV/X he was searching for Claire. He went looking for trouble. In RE1 he was merely trying to survive.

all your saying is there jobs, or what they do, that's not there character.

I'll fill in the details.
Claire (from citizen, to searching for Chris, to NGO member)
Claire's way of battling the bio-terrorism spreading across the globe.

Leon (from rookie cop to special agent)
Quite plausible given all that he was been through, and was young, and fit, and had a strong sense of justice.

Chris (from cop to BSAA agent)
He joins a new anti-bioterrorism force to destroy bioweapons.

It's the motives for these actions. They are all plausible. They all seem to be within the confines of the established characters (though Leon may be a point of contention for some).

and you don't need to have a character that changes dramatically in every game *points at Leon*

EMPHASIS ADDED BY ME

I agree with you in principle. However I'm not very interested in characters that just tread water all their lives. I still stand by my opinion that Mad Jackal >>> RE3 main game. I'm comfortable with Leon's characterization in Biohazard 4. Less so in Degeneration.

and in my opinion Jill IS the most interesting character in RE, no one else interests me as much as she does.

Each to their own on this point. I disagree with you, and, personally I'd rank Jill among one of the most boring characters. I'd really like to see an argument as to why Jill is the most compelling character (open to anyone).

Well that's your opinion. How do you want her to behave after all the madness she faced in Raccoon City? She was still angry because she wasn't able to bring down the corporation. Her character may not have changed, but she remained faithful to her roots.

I agree, and it's this non-changing that I don't really like. I blame the writers of the game really.

She was still a warrior, that's the difference between Jill and Claire. Jill is not a college girl, and if you are to pretend that RECV's intro never happened, well... it sadly happened and I (myself) was expecting a little bit of action-packed for her in DEG.

Actually, the CV/X intro point was brought up in another thread, and I accidentally dragged it into this one. Doesn't really matter. The comment wasn't directly aimed at you Jill_Lover, but I'll address it all the same. I realise that it happened, but what she did is not as important as why she did it. She was looking for Chris, or possible clues to his whereabouts. She did what she did because she had to.

Although I do like the movie and all, there is something about her character that wasn't very well shaped. So that's for her, she joined Terra-Save and that's all... she doesn't fight anymore. I remember Claire being brave in RE2... maybe just an hallucination?

Again, I disagree. I think Claire was perfect in Degeneration. She doesn't fight, but I don't think she was a fighter in the first place. I think her experience in Raccoon City brought that side out of her, but it seemed to me that she was only doing it to survive. She always seemed to show a maternal side. I think the makers of Degeneration were right to continue her character in this fashion (with Rani and the NGO), and create a new character to be Leon's side-kick fighting G-creations (Angela).
You see she only whips out the moves when she has to protect Rani.

[Guest]

I agree with almost everything that u said Gene

But if Claire doesnt fight,that means that she wont be in another game,unless she is dragged into some fight

[Andyfer_Ruu]

I have an akward feeling that Capcom is trying to right off Claire from the series. Even in Degeneration Leon gives that speech about how she chose to fight a different way. (protesting with Terrasave) They are playing her out to be a tree hugging hippie babysitter. She always gets stuck watching after a child. (Sherry and Roni)

As far as Barry is concerned. He isn't sexy enough to get his own game. Maybe a game with Jill considering his obsession with the Jill Sandwich.

On another note, I haven't played all the games but am I wrong in assuming that Leon is the only character to hog an entire game to himself. ie RE4

No no no no, Leon didnt hog the game, Mikami gave him the main role in re4. Best move in my opinion.

[missvalentine]

I agree with almost everything that u said Gene

But if Claire doesnt fight,that means that she wont be in another game,unless she is dragged into some fight

i want more Claire games, i hope she starts fighting again sometime soon

This gets messy, because we can be talking about REmake or the original RE1.
I totally agree that she matured as a character over the course of RE1/REmake, as a cop who had a bad day on the job, to someone who wants to focus every fibre of their being to bringing down a corporation. It's the RE3 portion I'm not a huge fan of.
I think she comes across as stronger in the original, simply because Barry isn't there to shoot Wesker in the labs. She comes off as a little less dependant.

well im taling about both of them, cause i count them as separate games.

well do you think her character in RE1 is good?

Not true. In CV/X he was searching for Claire. He went looking for trouble. In RE1 he was merely trying to survive.

but, his character was kinda the same in both games, he just stayed quite for most of it, then yelled at Wesker.

I'll fill in the details.
Claire (from citizen, to searching for Chris, to NGO member)
Claire's way of battling the bio-terrorism spreading across the globe.

Leon (from rookie cop to special agent)
Quite plausible given all that he was been through, and was young, and fit, and had a strong sense of justice.

Chris (from cop to BSAA agent)
He joins a new anti-bioterrorism force to destroy bioweapons.

It's the motives for these actions. They are all plausible. They all seem to be within the confines of the established characters (though Leon may be a point of contention for some).

i think a jump from rookie cop to special agent is WAY to big, especially for a horror game.

and Remember, Jill joined the BSAA as well, and an anti umbrella group in UC.

so Jill has been in Delta Force, STARS, RBCU, and the BSAA, more than any other character,

and she was motivated to do so because hse has a very stong sense of justice, and wants to take umbrella down, and stop the spread of Bio Weapons.

EMPHASIS ADDED BY ME

I agree with you in principle. However I'm not very interested in characters that just tread water all their lives. I still stand by my opinion that Mad Jackal >>> RE3 main game. I'm comfortable with Leon's characterization in Biohazard 4. Less so in Degeneration.

IMO RE3's main game >>> Mad Jackel

and her character in RE3 never worried nor bothered me once.

Each to their own on this point. I disagree with you, and, personally I'd rank Jill among one of the most boring characters. I'd really like to see an argument as to why Jill is the most compelling character (open to anyone).

i don't really know why she interestes me so much, there is just somthing so special about her that i admire, and i connect with her character a lot as well.

and don't say it's cause she's hot, cause it's not, if it was then Claire would be my favorite character cause i have a thing for red heads,

but anyways, IMO she's the greatest, XD

and i still like Jill more than Claire, and i can't decide who i think is more attractive either,

I agree, and it's this non-changing that I don't really like. I blame the writers of the game really.

blame the writers then, but i don't see how non changing is bad.

and she might change in RE5, but i don't want her to, they might ruin her, IMO she's already perfect.

[Dark_Chris]

RBCU???

[Jill Lover]

I can't deny you have a point Gen in some parts. But that doesn't change the fact that Claire seemed different in the movie. I do also agree that she wasn't meant to be a fighter like the others, but you know, Angela took all the good scenes, horror or not they were cool. And also knowing that Leon and Claire were usually together in RE2 it was quite shocking at first to think that Claire was going to be a pacific kind of girl. The point is, that whatever this means, I was expecting more of her. Maybe I'm just wrong and didn't get her character at all... and her character developed or not, that will end up with her just working in background just like she did in DEG... not quite interesting for me anyway. Perhaps, I see all RE girls with the same eyes, although Jill has sense of justice and all, she isn't less developed than the others, cause she remained faithful to her character and just because the writers didn't care in progress her plot doesn't mean she is supposed to be boring (leading her to be killed) .That's what I hate of all of this, saying killing Jill would bring drama to the series... having Leon in the series makes us have plenty drama to enjoy. But this is not the related thread of here..

By the way, Do you think DEG is focused in Leon? Anyone agree?

Sorry for the puntuation, I usually write faster than what I should.

[Guest]

Not focused,but he's definately the main character

[TheSelfishGene]

well do you think her character in RE1 is good?

Yes. I just don't think she's gone anywhere significant since.
This is why overall I think she's a pretty weak character.

i think a jump from rookie cop to special agent is WAY to big, especially for a horror game.

I think 6 years would be long enough to explain the changes seen between RE2, and RE4, but it doesn't really matter. This point is rather subjective.

IMO RE3's main game >>> Mad Jackel

Personal preference. I think the plot offering on the RE3 main game is so meagre, that it's barely worth considering. And Mad Jackal has it over the main game in the action, intensity and challenge departments.
Most of the 'worthwhile' plot that adds to the series' lore that came from RE3 came from the epilogues, which is really rather sad.

and don't say it's cause she's hot, cause it's not,

Don't put any words into my mouth, and I won't put any into yours .

but anyways, IMO she's the greatest, XD

blame the writers then, but i don't see how non changing is bad.

I do mostly blame the writers. A character can only be as good as the part written into the script. Jill is a function of a script. She's not a real world being. There are limitations to her character.

and she might change in RE5, but i don't want her to, they might ruin her, IMO she's already perfect.

I'd love for Capcom to blow everything I just said about Jill being boring out of the water. However, if I were to make a prediction, I'd say that I think Jill may be being used as a plot device, to further Chris' story line. I don't think she'll have much 'autonomy' in Resident Evil 5.

It's nearly 2AM here. I'll address anything written in response in the morning.
G'night all.

EDIT: Seconding the clarification as to what RBCU is.

[BlackHeart]

This gets messy, because we can be talking about REmake or the original RE1.
I totally agree that she matured as a character over the course of RE1/REmake, as a cop who had a bad day on the job, to someone who wants to focus every fibre of their being to bringing down a corporation. It's the RE3 portion I'm not a huge fan of.
I think she comes across as stronger in the original, simply because Barry isn't there to shoot Wesker in the labs. She comes off as a little less dependant.


Not true. In CV/X he was searching for Claire. He went looking for trouble. In RE1 he was merely trying to survive.



I'll fill in the details.
Claire (from citizen, to searching for Chris, to NGO member)
Claire's way of battling the bio-terrorism spreading across the globe.

Leon (from rookie cop to special agent)
Quite plausible given all that he was been through, and was young, and fit, and had a strong sense of justice.

Chris (from cop to BSAA agent)
He joins a new anti-bioterrorism force to destroy bioweapons.

It's the motives for these actions. They are all plausible. They all seem to be within the confines of the established characters (though Leon may be a point of contention for some).

EMPHASIS ADDED BY ME

I agree with you in principle. However I'm not very interested in characters that just tread water all their lives. I still stand by my opinion that Mad Jackal >>> RE3 main game. I'm comfortable with Leon's characterization in Biohazard 4. Less so in Degeneration.



Each to their own on this point. I disagree with you, and, personally I'd rank Jill among one of the most boring characters. I'd really like to see an argument as to why Jill is the most compelling character (open to anyone).




I agree, and it's this non-changing that I don't really like. I blame the writers of the game really.


Actually, the CV/X intro point was brought up in another thread, and I accidentally dragged it into this one. Doesn't really matter. The comment wasn't directly aimed at you Jill_Lover, but I'll address it all the same. I realise that it happened, but what she did is not as important as why she did it. She was looking for Chris, or possible clues to his whereabouts. She did what she did because she had to.



Again, I disagree. I think Claire was perfect in Degeneration. She doesn't fight, but I don't think she was a fighter in the first place. I think her experience in Raccoon City brought that side out of her, but it seemed to me that she was only doing it to survive. She always seemed to show a maternal side. I think the makers of Degeneration were right to continue her character in this fashion (with Rani and the NGO), and create a new character to be Leon's side-kick fighting G-creations (Angela).
You see she only whips out the moves when she has to protect Rani.

Many of these reasons i can agree and disagree with somewhat but rather than argue with anyone i would rather say what i think might add another dimension to Jill as a character.

If she saves Chris or show's some kind of emotion towards him, even love that would add to her character no end i beleive.

I stated that Capcom probably will not take this path, so we are looking at the love of a friend more then anything and her reaction's in resident evil 5 if she play's a big part will definately be key.

With all this new technology though Capcom finally has a chance to add the proper realism to the characters, after this game i feel that Chris Redfield might just be the most real character in the resident evil series, but we will see, i think that if Jill is added and they tie in a couple of choices on her behalf it will bode well for her.

Not to mention possible flashback memories of her with Chris hunting down umbrella or maybe even hint's into her character giving her a better dimension for those who can't see many.

I feel Jill has alot of potential as a character, some has been shown in resident evil REmake, resident evil 3 wasn't really a good example, same goes for resident evil 1 original for character building but there was a lack of technology back then to show alot of thing's they probably wanted.

I'd say right now Jill is a strong female character that really cares for people, i really don't want to dig deeper but i would definately enjoy it in resident evil 5 if they did explain a few thing's about her character.

So let's look ahead and hope they use all the new technology and next gen consoles to their advantage.

They did say it is like a spielberg movie after all remember?

Good debate though guy's.

P.s i love Jill as a character, i love the whole series, im really hoping for some raw emotions in this game.

[missvalentine]

RBCU???

wasn't that what the group that she and Chris where in called in UC?

if it isn't then just forget what i said, someone on gamefaqs told me that,

Yes. I just don't think she's gone anywhere significant since.
This is why overall I think she's a pretty weak character.

i don't think she really needed to go anywhere anyway, i like her where she is, and remember RE3 was only a few months after RE1 remember, we have only really seen Jill during mid 1998, she could have changed lots over the years,and she would not have changed much over just three months either.

I think 6 years would be long enough to explain the changes seen between RE2, and RE4, but it doesn't really matter. This point is rather subjective.

maybe it is, but your comparing the change in Leon from 1998 to 2004, to a change in Jill from July 1998 to September 1998, not a fair comparison is it?

Personal preference. I think the plot offering on the RE3 main game is so meagre, that it's barely worth considering. And Mad Jackal has it over the main game in the action, intensity and challenge departments.
Most of the 'worthwhile' plot that adds to the series' lore that came from RE3 came from the epilogues, which is really rather sad.

i actually really liked RE3's plot, i found it simple and enjoyable, i don't really care if it didn't add much it's still my favorite RE game ever, with Remake comming second.

and like i heard someone say before, RE3 is like the full metal jacket of the RE world, XD

Don't put any words into my mouth, and I won't put any into yours .

but anyways, IMO she's the greatest, XD

ok i won't then,

I do mostly blame the writers. A character can only be as good as the part written into the script. Jill is a function of a script. She's not a real world being. There are limitations to her character.

well hopefully capcom can get new writers that will write for her well in RE5.

I'd love for Capcom to blow everything I just said about Jill being boring out of the water. However, if I were to make a prediction, I'd say that I think Jill may be being used as a plot device, to further Chris' story line. I don't think she'll have much 'autonomy' in Resident Evil 5.

It's nearly 2AM here. I'll address anything written in response in the morning.
G'night all.

see that's what i don't like about Jill being in RE5, i think she is just being used as a plot device, and not a character, and i hate that, and i hope im wrong.

anyways nighty night,

EDIT: Seconding the clarification as to what RBCU is.

i must of got the letters wrong, i meant whatever organization she was a part of in RE UC

[Mr. Rod]

I think the most underhyped characters (from Capcom POV) are Barry and Rebecca, definitely. I hope we get to see them in the RE5 flashbacks... that'd be a great move from their part.

BTW, RBCU stands for Regional Biohazard Containment Unit

[Andyfer_Ruu]

I agree with you about Rebecca and Barry, but i'd prefer to see more about Barry than rebecca though, i liked his character in REmake. The way the characters acted in it pulled you into the game more.

[missvalentine]

I think the most underhyped characters (from Capcom POV) are Barry and Rebecca, definitely. I hope we get to see them in the RE5 flashbacks... that'd be a great move from their part.

BTW, RBCU stands for Regional Biohazard Containment Unit

thanks for that Mr.Rod, XD