Official Resident Evil 5 Spoilers Topic (READ FIRST POST)

[News Bot]

I already mentioned this in the New Trailer thread under the News Section, but Saddler didn't control the other parasites using his Master plaga. He controlled them with the sound waves emitted by his staff.

His staff is a Master Plaga. It's enfused with it.

Rods are not organic.

[Archelon]

His staff is a Master Plaga. It's enfused with it.

Rods are not organic.

And if you can show some definitive proof of that, aside from how the staff looks, I'll believe you. Otherwise, it's just speculation on your part.

Just like it's just speculation on my part that the "tentacles" aren't real tentacles. They could very well be animatronic or something and are just there for show like when Saddler raises his hand to "control" others.

Ada's Report specifically mentions the staff. It says nothing about it being fused with a Master plaga, nor does it say anything about the sound waves having to be emitted from an organic source to be able to control the parasites. In fact, she even compares it to an inorganic source: dog whistles.

[News Bot]

She compares it to dog whistles because it's the same method, sound waves. That makes no difference as to whether it's organic or inorganic.

And it's only logical that the rod is fused with a Master Plagas, it's alive and quite clearly squirming around. Hell, Saddler himself likely had a Master Plagas inside him given his ability to control others directly and his "enhanced" abilities. Him raising his hand isn't for show, that's how he does it.

Proof isn't a necessity in the face of logic.

[Bertha]

Let's also consider the source...Ada is a spy. We don't know how much knowledge she has in the field of scientific study. Her reports could be based on her opionions, not necessarily facts.

[News Bot]

There's also the fact that she even states it's merely her own opinion, and that they need a Master Plaga specimen to prove it.

If the rod was truly the only thing controlling pretty much hundreds of Ganado, why didn't The Organization set out to get the rod rather than a Master Plagas specimen? You seem to have misunderstood what Ada was getting at.

[Archelon]

She compares it to dog whistles because it's the same method, sound waves. That makes no difference as to whether it's organic or inorganic.

And it's only logical that the rod is fused with a Master Plagas, it's alive and quite clearly squirming around. Hell, Saddler himself likely had a Master Plagas inside him given his ability to control others directly and his "enhanced" abilities. Him raising his hand isn't for show, that's how he does it.

Proof isn't a necessity in the face of logic.

It is when it's faulty logic.

There's very little that's logical about saying the staff is infused with a Master Plaga. It's certainly no more logical than my explanation. And the whole point of Ada's Report explaining Saddler controlled the plagas via his staff was to show that he himself did not control the plagas like Marcus controlled the leeches in RE0.

Saddler had to rely on an instrument to control the plagas. Hence the focus on the staff. If it was a Master Plaga that controlled the other plagas, I highly doubt even Capcom would say it was the staff that controlled the parasites. Heck, if it was a Master Plaga that controlled the other parasites, then Saddler shouldn't have even needed the staff to begin with.

There's also the fact that she even states it's merely her own opinion, and that they need a Master Plaga specimen to prove it.

It's not her opinion. It's a theory. There's a difference. A theory can be tested. An opinion can't.

And the explanation for the theory is that they found an organ for sensing specific frequencies of sound waves in a tissue sample taken from one of the parasites. So there's a lot more grounds for it than there would be if it was just an opinion.

[Jill's Boob]

Yikes, fellas, c'mon. Capcom could RETCON the whole thing anyway.

[News Bot]

Then why didn't she opt to go for the staff rather than a Master Plagas, if the staff is such a requirement to control the parasites?

Why even the existence of Master Plagas specimens then if they're not even needed?

Master Plagas control other Plagas. Not staffs. At most, the Master Plagas was fused onto the staff and Saddler (and other Los Illuminados, not just him) carried the same staff around. Why the need for the wrigly tentacle equipped creature on the staff that bears a striking resemblence to the other Plagas?

Hell the entire phrase "Master Plagas" should be enough to connect the dots.

[Archelon]

Then why didn't she opt to go for the staff rather than a Master Plagas, if the staff is such a requirement to control the parasites?

Simple, really. Because they could use anything to emit a frequency that would control the parasites. They wouldn't need Saddler's staff.

Why even the existence of Master Plagas specimens then if they're not even needed?

Because the Master Plagas are the ones that allow the host to control his/her mutation. Look at Saddler, Salazar, Mendez, and even Krauser. They were the only ones who didn't lose their free will, even though they were infected with a plaga parasite, and they were able to mutate at will.

The Ganados were unable to do that. So, assuming Saddler and the others are infected with Master Plagas, then that's the difference between a Master Plaga and a normal parasite. It's not that the Master Plagas control the other plagas.

Master Plagas control other Plagas. Not staffs. At most, the Master Plagas was fused onto the staff and Saddler (and other Los Illuminados, not just him) carried the same staff around. Why the need for the wrigly tentacle equipped creature on the staff that bears a striking resemblence to the other Plagas?

Like I said, it could have just been for show. Saddler was one for spectacle, after all.

But also, remember, the two Verdugos carried staffs. It's entirely possible that's how Salazar was able to maintain control over the Illuminados, despite Salazar being just a puppet of Saddler's. Those staffs didn't have plaga-looking protrusions, but we know Salazar had some semblance of control over the Illuminados.

Hell the entire phrase "Master Plagas" should be enough to connect the dots.

Not necessarily, as I already explained above.

In any case, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[News Bot]

In order to control Leon in the cutscene where he gets Ashley out of the huge capsule thing, Saddler doesn't have a rod. Yet he still extends his arm and makes Leon writhe in pain.

Proof enough?

Remember, the two Verdugos carried staffs. It's entirely possible that's how Salazar was able to maintain control over the Illuminados, despite Salazar being just a puppet of Saddler's.

They carried spears.

[Archelon]

In order to control Leon in the cutscene where he gets Ashley out of the huge capsule thing, Saddler doesn't have a rod. Yet he still extends his arm and makes Leon writhe in pain.

Proof enough?

As I already pointed out, Saddler just thrust his palm into Leon's chest. While raising his hand may have originally been intended to be the means by which Saddler controlled his followers, it was essentially retconned by Ada's Report so that it was his staff.

In light of that, one could just as easily say that Saddler just still had his hand up after slamming it into Leon's chest.

Besides, if he could control the parasites without his staff, then he wouldn't need it at all, and he certainly wouldn't have needed to fuse a Master Plaga to it in order to control the other parasites.

They carried spears.

It doesn't really matter. There's nothing to say that the spears couldn't emit sound waves.

[News Bot]

Now you're just making things up entirely to fit your arguement.

As I already pointed out, Saddler just thrust his palm into Leon's chest.

Then walked towards him, arm extended in the same manner as previously (fingers arched as to "point"), before being shot at by Ada.

Master Plagas control other Plagas, through the use of staffs or not. End of story.

[Bertha]

Was Krauser's mutation from plagas though? Ada seemed aware of that before hand, mentioning she could deal with it if necessary. And if Krauser was under Saddler's control, Ada would have been known of sooner.

I think this might be getting a bit too far off topic though...

[Archelon]

Now you're just making things up entirely to fit your arguement.

Uh, no?

If making assumptions based on what's provided in the game is what you consider "making things up," then you're doing the exact same thing.

Was Krauser's mutation from plagas though? Ada seemed aware of that before hand, mentioning she could deal with it if necessary. And if Krauser was under Saddler's control, Ada would have been known of sooner.

I made a post in another thread about that, offering a possible explanation, but much like what Ciaren and I have been "discussing," it's all tenuous. I'll see if I can dig it up.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Can we try and keep this on topic? It's a really good debate, but it's not relevant to RE5 spoilers. Make another topic about it if need be.