DEG - Claire Redfield Backgroud character?

[Guest]

Well,thats true
But they never wanted to have some news about her?

[Bianca]

Well,thats true
But they never wanted to have some news about her?

My thoughts exactly. I mean, you'd think after 6+ years of not hearing from her, they'd wonder what the heck happened! And, even if the 10th anniversary DVD of the Wesker Report is an indicator that Sherry isn't with Wesker, then where in the world did she go? My mind is boggled and saddened.

On the topic of Claire in Degeneration: I wasn't bothered by how Claire was portrayed in the movie, but I was saddened that she was shoved in the background as a "secondary" character. Otherwise, I have no qualms with how she was written. Still the same ole Claire Redfield I know and love, in my opinion. :3

[Andyfer_Ruu]

Well if you cast your mind back to Leon's epilogue in RE3, didn't Leon agree to become a US Government agent in exchange for them taking Sherry into protective custody? Maybe Leon and Claire aren't aware of her kidnapping as of the time of events in DEG and presume she's still in "safe" hands? Just a thought..... ;)

Thats a good point, i had forgotton all about that.
I reckon we'll see all the STARS members and other characters (Claire...etc..) in the last game, it usualy happens in the final one.

[Archelon]

As I said in my "review," I think Claire has had probably the most realistic and natural progression of all the characters in the series. One thing I'll never understand is all the whining and moaning about Leon in RE4 when practically no one complained about Claire's new talents in CODE: Veronica. At least Leon had spent the last six years training with the government. Claire was still supposed to be just an average college girl who loved motorcycles and had some experience with guns because of her brother.

If anything, I'd say the intro to CODE: Veronica was more ridiculous than anything involving Leon in RE4 or Degeneration. Not only did she manage to break into an Umbrella facility by herself (and not just any facility, but the headquarters), but she apparently did or saw something so major afterwards that Umbrella felt the need to chase her in an attack helicopter in the middle of downtown Paris, firing a gatling gun at their own building. You'd think at least one or two civilians would see what was going on.

I don't think I need to mention her subsequent John Woo gunkata. On top of that, complaining about Leon being swiped away by G-Curtis and getting up with nary a scratch is borderline irrelevant, as RE characters have always survived a darn sight more than people are apparently willing to admit. Take Jill in RE3, for example. She gets impaled through the shoulder, and not only does she not have a gaping hole in her shoulder afterward, she's still able to use her arm perfectly fine. At least Leon got a bandage in RE2 after he was shot.

Perhaps an even better example would be Ada in RE2. Depending on which scenario you're playing, she manages to survive falling who knows how many hundreds of feet or, arguably even worse, being thrown into a metal console so hard that the console collapses under her weight. Regardless, she's able to get back up, bandage herself up, swipe a tissue sample from Birkin and make it out of the underground lab before it explodes.

Granted, based on this evidence, you would think a shard of glass sticking in Claire's leg wouldn't have much effect. However, I think it goes back to the fact that she's never had any kind of special training, or at least what the game developers and filmmakers consider "special training." The filmmakers may have been trying to demonstrate that point by having her limp for the rest of the movie. They wanted to show that while she can certainly take care of herself and fend off zombies rather handily, she's still supposed to be a relatively normal woman (her skills in CODE: Veronica's intro notwithstanding). I think it's also important to note that she's never suffered a serious injury in the series, while other characters have, so we don't know what her threshold of pain would be and what she would be able to handle.

And as much as people hate Leon (and Angela), it makes more sense to have the two of them fighting G-Curtis. Even with Claire's experience, Leon and Angela are the trained professionals (though, admittedly, you'd never know it from Angela's behavior during the film, but still). Claire is still technically a civilian, and they're not going to let her into a battlezone even with her past experiences. Not to mention with her injury, she could potentially become a major liability, and Leon already had his hands full taking care of Angela.

[Guest]

I agree with EVERYTHING that you're saying,but . . .

And as much as people hate Leon (and Angela), it makes more sense to have the two of them fighting G-Curtis. Even with Claire's experience, Leon and Angela are the trained professionals (though, admittedly, you'd never know it from Angela's behavior during the film, but still). Claire is still technically a civilian, and they're not going to let her into a battlezone even with her past experiences. Not to mention with her injury, she could potentially become a major liability, and Leon already had his hands full taking care of Angela.

Thats make sense,but Leon wasnt sure if he was going to fight a monster and this didnt stop him to let Claire walk alone <_<
She could have died with zombies too xD

[Darkmoon]

I honestly think Claire sounds like she developed right, but I still think her use during the movie could have been better. Tone Leon down a little as well, have Angela wounded and therefore forced into the babysitting role, and Claire is pretty much forced to go along as back up. She doesn't wanna fight, it's not her way, but she can't let Leon wander off alone...even if he does border on the superhuman occasionally. And suddenly we don't have a character bordering on middle aged rammed into the background, which is something I'm slightly concerned Capcom has twigged...the ladies were sexy at 22, 24 years old, but they're getting old. They're nearing fourty. Time to retire them all and replace them with younger models.

I do agree, the Code Veronica intro was stupid, but I'm not certain it was worse than RE4. While it was certainly worse than anyone stupid part in RE4, I think as a whole RE4 swamped CV with idiocy. In fairness, however, Code Veronica is just behind RE4 in my least favourite RE games, with Gaiden and Survivor 1&2 above them. Niether is exactly a series high point.

[News Bot]

If anything, I'd say the intro to CODE: Veronica was more ridiculous than anything involving Leon in RE4 or Degeneration. Not only did she manage to break into an Umbrella facility by herself (and not just any facility, but the headquarters), but she apparently did or saw something so major afterwards that Umbrella felt the need to chase her in an attack helicopter in the middle of downtown Paris, firing a gatling gun at their own building. You'd think at least one or two civilians would see what was going on.

I don't find the CV intro to be detrimental in terms of character development for Claire. She doesn't do anything particularly outrageous (like split second, perfect reflexes and body positioning through lasers) at all. She runs, runs some more, runs again. What's wrong with that? And her stunt at the very end is reasonable if anything.

Anyone can run through a bunch of hallways, even with bullets whizzing past them.

Besides, not everything Capcom does is done for the sake of logic or realism.

[Andyfer_Ruu]

I don't find the CV intro to be detrimental in terms of character development for Claire. She doesn't do anything particularly outrageous (like split second, perfect reflexes and body positioning through lasers) at all. She runs, runs some more, runs again. What's wrong with that? And her stunt at the very end is reasonable if anything.

Anyone can run through a bunch of hallways, even with bullets whizzing past them.

Besides, not everything Capcom does is done for the sake of logic or realism.

Its just drama though, if someone ruuns through a corridor while being shot at theres a very high probability of being hit. Claires character is fine in degen and fine in CV.

[News Bot]

if someone ruuns through a corridor while being shot at theres a very high probability of being hit.

Actually the chances of being shot by someone who is also running with an AK are extremely low.

[missvalentine]

If anything, I'd say the intro to CODE: Veronica was more ridiculous than anything involving Leon in RE4 or Degeneration. Not only did she manage to break into an Umbrella facility by herself (and not just any facility, but the headquarters), but she apparently did or saw something so major afterwards that Umbrella felt the need to chase her in an attack helicopter in the middle of downtown Paris, firing a gatling gun at their own building. You'd think at least one or two civilians would see what was going on.

I don't think I need to mention her subsequent John Woo gunkata. On top of that, complaining about Leon being swiped away by G-Curtis and getting up with nary a scratch is borderline irrelevant, as RE characters have always survived a darn sight more than people are apparently willing to admit. Take Jill in RE3, for example. She gets impaled through the shoulder, and not only does she not have a gaping hole in her shoulder afterward, she's still able to use her arm perfectly fine. At least Leon got a bandage in RE2 after he was shot.

firstly i don't think NEMESIS's tentacles went right through Jill's arm, it just pierced her skin and infected her that's all.

im not sure about Ada

but Claire's intro in CVX was just an intro movie, not gameplay, Leon was gameplay which makes it a whole lot worse.

And suddenly we don't have a character bordering on middle aged rammed into the background, which is something I'm slightly concerned Capcom has twigged...the ladies were sexy at 22, 24 years old, but they're getting old. They're nearing fourty. Time to retire them all and replace them with younger models.

Jill is 34, Ada is 34, Claire is 29, Rebecca is 28, i hardly consider any of them middle aged or old.

i mean Wesker is 48, do i hear anyone complaining about that?

if Wesker can be used at 48, so can a female character, they don't need to be retired cause there old

i consider females more than eye candy, i don't think they need replacing with younger girls with big boobs,

i think they should keep using them forever, and ive sugsted this before capcom does not have to set the game in the year they are released, RE12 could be set in 1999 and i wouldn't care.

[Archelon]

Besides, not everything Capcom does is done for the sake of logic or realism.

So then what's the problem with RE4 and Degeneration, I wonder?

firstly i don't think NEMESIS's tentacles went right through Jill's arm, it just pierced her skin and infected her that's all.

It went all the way through her shoulder. You can pretty clearly see it come out the other side.

but Claire's intro in CVX was just an intro movie, not gameplay, Leon was gameplay which makes it a whole lot worse.

That's a borderline irrelevancy. If we take gameplay into consideration, then we also have to accept the fact that all of the characters have survived being impaled, bitten countless times, taking anti-aircraft missiles to the face (I'm referring to Jill and Carlos here, not Leon, as I imagine someone would make some snarky remark about that), had their throats slit, and any number of other serious injuries that would kill a real person, but the characters survive due to the demands of gameplay.

If anything, what happens in a cutscene counts more than what happens in gameplay, because the cutscene actually occurs in the story, whereas much of the gameplay sequences in all of the games can be discounted as not part of the actual story. For example, the understanding that every character has made it through their respective games without getting bitten once by a zombie. In gameplay, they may get bitten a lot of times, but as far as the story is concerned, they're never bitten once, or else they'd become zombies.

[News Bot]

So then what's the problem with RE4 and Degeneration, I wonder?

I for one, have no issue with Degeneration.

RE4 is just a crock of juvenile shit. For the most part, anyway.

It went all the way through her shoulder. You can pretty clearly see it come out the other side.

Do you have a screen capture to prove this? Because assuming this from 32bit graphics is pretty strange. I'm surprised you can see anything happen besides SPLURG PURPLE

[Darkmoon]

Jill is 34, Ada is 34, Claire is 29, Rebecca is 28, i hardly consider any of them middle aged or old.

i mean Wesker is 48, do i hear anyone complaining about that?

if Wesker can be used at 48, so can a female character, they don't need to be retired cause there old

i consider females more than eye candy, i don't think they need replacing with younger girls with big boobs,

i think they should keep using them forever, and ive sugsted this before capcom does not have to set the game in the year they are released, RE12 could be set in 1999 and i wouldn't care.

I, personally, agree with you. I think older ladies can be just as sexy as younger ones. That doesn't mean Capcom or the public agrees with me. Men have been shown to have a much longer shelf life in the eye of the public, though. How many female movie stars are in there fifties or sixties? Or even fourties? Compared to there male counterparts?

I don't like it, but I can see it as happening. Jill may well be dead by the end of RE5, Claire is retired, Rebecca is probably a supporting type the same as Claire now...Ada might be around, who knows? And then we have Sheva. Aged 23. How old is Angela again? I'm betting not over 25.

Yeah. Don't like this at all.

[Archelon]

Do you have a screen capture to prove this? Because assuming this from 32bit graphics is pretty strange. I'm surprised you can see anything happen besides SPLURG PURPLE

I don't have the ability to take screencaps, I'm afraid. I could be mistaken about it, of course, but I certainly seem to recall seeing it come out the other side, or at the very least, seeing the blood and "fluid" (whatever it was that always accompanied Nemesis' tentacles when they shot out of his arm) coming out of the back of her shoulder.

Another example I forgot to mention earlier though, and perhaps a clearer one, is in RE0. Rebecca gets chomped on the shoulder by one of Eliminators, and you clearly see blood as a result, yet she doesn't get infected and become a zombie.

How old is Angela again? I'm betting not over 25.

Angela is 29.

[News Bot]

Another example I forgot to mention earlier though, and perhaps a clearer one, is in RE0. Rebecca gets chomped on the shoulder by one of Eliminators, and you clearly see blood as a result, yet she doesn't get infected and become a zombie.

B.O.W's don't possess the ability to transmit the virus. The Eliminator's were also created through the Progenitor virus, not the T-virus.