RE Degeneration

[missvalentine]

yeah i watched the bloopers, they were great, i loled so many times.

also i have to say, i really loved when Claire slapes the shit out of the senator, XD and then in the bloopers she slapped Leon, XD!!!!

[LVL100 Merchant]

I liked Degeneration. It wasn't good per se, but I had fun with it. I thought it could have used more of Claire kicking ass (the one scene where she did was awesome) but instead she was mostly portrayed as a fool, which bugged me considering Claire is my favorite RE character. I also didn't care for how Angela seemed to get more attention than Claire, and the showdown with the G-Mutant was just Leon and Angela fighting it (or more accurately, Leon fighting it while Angela cried and needed rescuing) and Claire is just off dinking around in some control room. A lot of the dialog and animation was just cringe-worthy, but I expected as much, and as said, I had fun with it and I do hope for a CG sequel.

[Rakkoon]

Degeneration was awesome as far as I'm concerned. I liked both Claire and Leon. Claire was absolutely gorgeous in Degeneration, I couldn't believe how beautiful they had made her. The feeling was something like when I saw how Ada was going to look in RE4 before the game was even released.

Leon rocked too. He doesn't need to be overemotional and move much or show his true feelings. His presense is enough, and he does have quite a presense. His character is like that now. I don't understand why people keep not understanding that people change. Significantly. Especially on the outside. Leon is pretty much the same Leon in his heart, you can see it in RE4 and in Degeneration clearly. On the outside though, he has obviously changed, and he's done it on purpose, to protect himself.

You know, guys like Leon usually get hurt in life, they are usually the ones who get screwed over. So all Leon is doing is being smart, for his own sake. I love Leon's character.

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but there's this moment in Degeneration right after Leon tells Claire to "try not to get get killed". Well, right after she nods and leaves with an expression saying "umm...right", Leon has that silly look one usually has right ater they've realized they've said something really stupid. It's a subtle thing, but you can definitely see it there, so go see it because it's worth it. That's the best moment in the entire movie.

Leon's character has progressed in an amazing way, very realistic. He's done everything he can to appear cool and invulnerable, and he's even developed certain qualities that help him actually be who he wants to be. He is not quite there though, because it's not his real personality. The little things give him away, and you can definitely see that. So stop bitching about Leon already.

[nemesiswontdie]

u should listen to ppls reviews on degen on the rpd dispatch its funny as hell
and they make pretty valid points too

[Canas Renvall]

The live action movies were at least enjoyable on a dumb level of fun. Degeneration? It was some kind of extended game CG, the kind wich I'd love to skip, but I couldn't because Capcom is in love with itself. Seriously, it was a perfect setting for a game in the classical style of the series, but they wasted it with some half baked movie. Also, the graphics were just plain bad (I love it how the original Shrek looks brand new when compared to it).

And what's up with turning Leon more and more japanese? Crap, just look at the concept art of RE2 and Degeneration's. And don't get me started on how they threw Claire in there just for the sake of it, cause she was more useless then a doorknob without a door.

Really, I agree with this. The live action movies don't screw up the game canon like this does. Makes them nice.

Leon's just fugly, Claire must've gotten sucker-punched in the upper lip, and she's just there to show Leon off some more.

"Oh teh noes! My leg! It got cutted! Leon! Save the world! Save it with your awesomeness!"

And not to mention Angela. It was incredibly obvious how stiffed Claire got in that movie. Claire's off in la-la land doing jack shit, while Angela's up in arms. I don't get why Crapcom feels the need to make every original female of the series get boned out of commission in favor of random out-of-the-blue chicks. First Jill, now Claire. Really, Crapcom. Way to send some love to the fans.

Seeing as how this is a topic about just the movie, I won't get into how it connects with RE4/5, but Leon was still Neo in this movie. Not as bad as RE4, but still. Some of the stuff he can do reminds me of Mirror's Edge. Now, forgive my teenage ignorance, but am I wrong to assume that government agents aren't taught parkour, or is Leon just so cool that he does it in his free time?

Thank goodness I didn't buy this movie. I suffered through it at a friend's house, who felt the same way I did and returned it the next day to the video store. Crapcom really stunk it up with this.

He doesn't need to be overemotional and move much or show his true feelings. His presense is enough, and he does have quite a presense. His character is like that now. I don't understand why people keep not understanding that people change. Significantly. Especially on the outside. Leon is pretty much the same Leon in his heart, you can see it in RE4 and in Degeneration clearly. On the outside though, he has obviously changed, and he's done it on purpose, to protect himself.

You know, guys like Leon usually get hurt in life, they are usually the ones who get screwed over. So all Leon is doing is being smart, for his own sake. I love Leon's character.

I don't know if anyone has noticed this, but there's this moment in Degeneration right after Leon tells Claire to "try not to get get killed". Well, right after she nods and leaves with an expression saying "umm...right", Leon has that silly look one usually has right ater they've realized they've said something really stupid. It's a subtle thing, but you can definitely see it there, so go see it because it's worth it. That's the best moment in the entire movie.

Leon's character has progressed in an amazing way, very realistic. He's done everything he can to appear cool and invulnerable, and he's even developed certain qualities that help him actually be who he wants to be. He is not quite there though, because it's not his real personality. The little things give him away, and you can definitely see that. So stop bitching about Leon already.

No, you don't need to be overemotional to show your true feelings. You do, however, need to show some semblance of emotion to show your true feelings. His presence is that of "I'm so suave, shoot 'em in the head, [insert cheesy one-liner here]". Yeah, I definitely felt it. It hurt.

RE2 and RE4/Degeneration Leon are completely different, even at heart. In RE2, all he cares about is getting survivors out of the city (along with him, of course). In RE4, the closest thing Leon comes to showing emotion is when he asks Ada if she's okay after throwing his magically-appearing knife for the fifth time with such pinpoint precision as to tear through a thick rope. Maybe when he says she's part of him he can't let go. Then all of a sudden he asks for Ingrid's number. Thinks he's hot shit.

If you knew about RE2, you'd know why he was late for his first day on the job. He was dumped by his girlfriend the night before. That didn't stop him from being a nice guy, trying to help people. Now he's just some one-liner-spewing laser-dodging knife-throwing impossibly-large-attache-case-carrying superhero.

And I agree. He has done everything he can to look cool and invulnerable. I mean, "hopping" down 50-foot towers without so much as breaking a fingernail is pretty cool. I sure wish I could do that. Being able to duke it out Soul Calibur-style with a knife is a nice quality to have, seeing as how he obviously wants to be The One.

No, of course that's not his real personality. He's really a player at heart. "Omg Ada!" "Nah, Ashley. Can't do any overtime with you. Sorry." "Hey Ingrid, call me, a'ight?"

I can bitch about RE4/Degeneration Leon aaaaall day.

[REmaster]

Yea Capcom's attempt at making Leon look cool has actually hurt his image badly. In RE2 he was just an average guy thrown into a horrible situation and struggled through it, now he's just an arrogant jerk, at least in degeneration. I was growing tired of the one-liners in RE4 but at least he showed some kind of emotion, jeez.

[Rakkoon]

If you knew about RE2, you'd know why he was late for his first day on the job.

I don't know what makes you assume I don't know about RE2, but the least that assumption means is you are being disrespectful. Enough comment here.

I can bitch about RE4/Degeneration Leon aaaaall day.

Yes, you could do that. And you would waste your day.

I don't think you got my point. Many people just love hating. I don't get that. People change. They can't always be naive and idealistic. Especially in some situations. Especially after being through what Leon has been through. Playing it cool is a mask. I'm not saying whether it's good or bad, but it's what some people need to survive. Leon is a fragile person, so he tries to fool everyone into thinking he's the exact opposite of that. And maybe all that he's been through and all that training and life itself have hardened him a little bit after all. But he's still kind of the same on the inside. The lines you mentioned along with other ones like that, as well as some gestures all give Leon away.

Plus, Leon is character in a game. Like a character in a movie. Both of which have actions elements. Which would make Leon sort of a thriller/action star, so to speak. And characters like that, especially in Hollywood movies (most popular foreign movies in Japan), often use punch lines, sarcasm, and so on. Resident Evil is a Japanese game meant to appeal to the Japanese as well as 'western' audiences, and since it features foreign characters, places, etc., it does have to present a certain believable 'western' world to the Japanese, who are quite unfamiliar with the 'western' world apart from cliches. Hence the cliched Leon at times. You could forgive him that I guess, because we can't always say the perfect things. Being bitter makes us more sarcastic, so we could even be jerks at times. And asking a girl for her number as a joke is not a player's move by any means. It's just sense of humor.

There is a contradiction in Leon's character, which makes him real.

But you can keep bitching.

[Canas Renvall]

I don't know what makes you assume I don't know about RE2, but the least that assumption means is you are being disrespectful. Enough comment here.

Yes, you could do that. And you would waste your day.

I don't think you got my point. Many people just love hating. I don't get that. People change. They can't always be naive and idealistic. Especially in some situations. Especially after being through what Leon has been through. Playing it cool is a mask. I'm not saying whether it's good or bad, but it's what some people need to survive. Leon is a fragile person, so he tries to fool everyone into thinking he's the exact opposite of that. And maybe all that he's been through and all that training and life itself have hardened him a little bit after all. But he's still kind of the same on the inside. The lines you mentioned along with other ones like that, as well as some gestures all give Leon away.

Plus, Leon is character in a game. Like a character in a movie. Both of which have actions elements. Which would make Leon sort of a thriller/action star, so to speak. And characters like that, especially in Hollywood movies (most popular foreign movies in Japan), often use punch lines, sarcasm, and so on. Resident Evil is a Japanese game meant to appeal to the Japanese as well as 'western' audiences, and since it features foreign characters, places, etc., it does have to present a certain believable 'western' world to the Japanese, who are quite unfamiliar with the 'western' world apart from cliches. Hence the cliched Leon at times. You could forgive him that I guess, because we can't always say the perfect things. Being bitter makes us more sarcastic, so we could even be jerks at times. And asking a girl for her number as a joke is not a player's move by any means. It's just sense of humor.

There is a contradiction in Leon's character, which makes him real.

But you can keep bitching.

Let me rephrase it, then: You should know that in RE2 he's dumped, therefore he's late for his first day.

And it's not that I love hating. I just hate watching a loved character go down the crapper. And I can totally agree that people change. Being naive or idealistic (or not, for that matter) has nothing to do with having a "PH34R M3 4ND MY M4D PWN 5K14LLZ" attitude that tends to come with superpowers.

Yeah, but Leon is obviously so much more powerful than Alice, and he doesn't have genetic enhancements like she does. Which is why I wonder why people like him more than her if she's so overpowered... but that's a story for another time.

And Leon was clichéd all the time in RE4. "Heh. Where's everybody going, bingo?" "I don't remember being a part of your crappy script." "Your right hand comes off?" "Oh good, that'll give me something to do 'cause boredom kills me." "Can't remember the name, huh? A senior moment perhaps."

At least RE1's dialogue was funny it was so bad. This is just... unspeakable. Leon could never be forgiven for that. I don't remember Leon ever saying the perfect thing. You know, for a game trying to be scary (and failing miserably, by the way), they sure went out of their way to make Leon sound like he was just compensating for something.

[Rakkoon]

RE4 was so much fun to me, and so was Degeneration. I don't expect to actually get scared while playing a game, or while watching a movie that's supposed to be scary, or while reading a Stephen King novel. I expect fun and atmosphere. And I never thought RE was really about being scary. It's more of an atmospheric game with action/adventure elements and some horror moments here and there, fun but mostly cliched. Which is not necessarily a bad thing, mind you. RE4 as well as Degeneration were fun to me, and they did have their atmosphere too. They were both Resident Evil. Leon, I was entertained by his lines and overall presense. And I do like the message of a character who deals with stuff the way Leon does rather than the message of a frustrated character that does terrible things to your subconsciousness.

The way that Greg guy was acting in Degeneration...now that was real arrogance and total lack of confidence, as well as a fair amount of jealousy. He was stupid. As soon as he realized how stupid he was, he died. Leon acted exactly how he should have, he put Greg in his place.

Being a melodramatic self-righteous hero wannabe in an extreme situation only adds a ton more tension. Keeping that to yourself, however, while presenting an image of a man in control of things, as well as having the same self-image (even if it means you're in denial), gives you and those around you that extra strength you need in an insane situation. Helps you deal with it better than you would if you were...well, I would use a strong word here, infantile.

To prove my point...

Leon in RE2: "Why doesn't anyone ever listen to me?!" (referring to Ada and Claire)

As opposed to...

Leon in RE4: "Sorry, but following a lady's lead just isn't my style." (lesson learned maybe?)

But as much as Leon tries, he is still the same idealistic gull on the inside...

Leon in Degeneration: "If you don't try to save one life, you'll never save any!" (says it to a woman)

Same old Leon alright. It had to be a girl that brought that out, hadn't it? Yep, same old 15 year old Leon.


Almost forgot. Of course Leon is compensating for something! That was precisely my point... Being naive and idealistic has everything to do with the 47717UD3 you mentioned. Because when your ideals keep holding you down, you tend to develop that sort of bitterness and sarcasm Leon now carries around. It doesn't come with superpowers, it comes with failures.

And by the way, the life saving line is a perfect example of Leon saying the perfect thing. No, not perfect. More like, IDEAL

[bellatrixkale23]

i actually have the movie sitting in my room at the moment.
Bought it last night, but in my school's anime club we watched it.
Everyone kinda enjoyed it shockingly.
My expectations aren't high but i think it will be good overall.

...And Leon Still Looks Good From The Part I Caught.

[Harry Mason]

Honestly? Leon was presented better in RE4. He really doesn't look right and another breaker was the unnatural movement of the "living". This movie was like a game we should be playing that Capcom decided to get lazy and release as a movie instead. Oh but it's on phone now so..when is the console release coming?

Favorite part for me was the awesome G scenes

[nemesiswontdie]

[quote=Harry Mason;74400 Oh but it's on phone now so..when is the console release coming?
[/quote]


i have it on my phone

its not all that bad but it has nothing to do with the movie
u just go around doing goals like
kill 6 zombies in 45 seconds or
kill this tyrant in 3 minutes with only your shotgun

yha all it is, is little goals but its fun to play when you got nothing else
better to do during school

[News Bot]

and somehow, a whole group of army guys get killed by G Curtis, but Leon shoots ONE 9mm bullet from his pistol in slow motion at it's head and kills it, totaly unrealistic.

He stunned it, he didn't kill it with a single bullet.

[Alexia_Ashford]

Even so, it's still pretty unrealistic. An entire unit with automatic weapons, and not one managed to shoot him in the head to stun him, yet one "super cool" action hero gets a direct hit, right between the eyes. I did prefer Leon in RE4.

[News Bot]

Even so, it's still pretty unrealistic. An entire unit with automatic weapons, and not one managed to shoot him in the head to stun him, yet one "super cool" action hero gets a direct hit, right between the eyes. I did prefer Leon in RE4.

The fact that they are using automatic weapons destroys any ability to even get a headshot in the first place. A headshot while it's still mobile and moving on the ground wouldn't really do much anyway. And they still managed to take it down once before it wiped them out. Leon got lucky with the fact that it was just barely hanging on to Angela with it's tentacle, and one bullet to the face was enough to make it writhe in pain (happens even to Birkin and pretty much any other B.O.W. after being shot a number of times).