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Originally posted by ChrisRedfield29 View PostBarry was in RE3 in one of a number of alternate endings...and his appearance didn't ruin his character like Jill in RE5.
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Looking back on it...yeah. Looking back on what she became, I wish Jill wasn't in RE5 at all.
Yes, she was. Anyone who saw that trailer with her headstone popping up at the end of it had their interest piqued. It had a direct effect on people, especially some people on this website. It got the Jill fans(Los Jilluminados, if you will) interested in RE5 if they weren't already. There's no denying that. Many people said "OMG I'm not buying RE5" because it was too much like RE4 or not enough like the classic games or whatever, but hey, throw Jill Valentine in the mix, and bam...you got a selling point.
Because she was marketed to be in the game, and she was...for ~10 minutes. I'm all for making money and selling games and advertising and whatnot, because I know video games are a business...but she was a huge selling point on this game. I remember playing through the game being like "Wow, I'm in Chapter 5, where the hell is the storyline?" 5-3 she appears, and she's gone, save for two short cutscenes. It was lame.
I wouldn't say I'm disappointed, I just thought the way they used her was extremely stupid. I thought the whole brainwashed scheme was stupid, P30 was ridiculous, and the whole thing just screamed shitty low-budget movie plot to me. For the most part, I was very pleased with RE5, but I can honestly say that my biggest gripe with the game was the handling of the characters -- mainly Jill and Wesker. I thought ALL of the characters could have been and done more, and they all were either extremely misused or underused.
Bringing any character back after they've 'died' in a flashback, just to have them alive and 'brainwashed' fighting against you? I'm sorry I'm not sorry, but that just reeks stupidity and bullshit to me.
It was a crock of shit and I thought it was a terrible part of the game's story. I honestly would've rather had her die in that flashback than survive. It would've added even more animosity between Chris and Wesker, if that's at all possible.
And just so you don't get me wrong, I'm aware that alot of those votes are probably from the Jill fanatics who would've voted for Jill even if they hadn't played 1 second of the game, but I just don't understand the argument that she was an especially unimportant character compaired to everyone else on that list, when she clearly wasn't.
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P-30 was absurd, but no more so than any of the other bullshit Capcom has done to the Resident Evil narrative in the past nine years; the explanation of Jill's mind control didn't shock me with its ridiculousness, but it was certainly easier to swallow than shit like Alexia, Marcus, Morpheus or just about anything from RE4.
RE5's story was a pleasant surprise for me. I expected trash but was instead greeted with a serviceable, enjoyable plot that left me ultimately satisfied as a fan. I concede Capcom missed some opportunities with Jill, but Sina is absolutely right; you could argue Jill's presence or story in RE5 was lame, but her character is hardly ruined and Jill was never marketed as being an important, decisive character in RE5.
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WOW! what the hell, why does Wesker have so many votes? i hated RE5 Wesker.
and im slightly surprised that Jill is in second.
Originally posted by Henry Spencer View Post.
That's Resident Evil for you. It actually mirrors the events of the Arklay Research Facility. The backup team end up being the survivors yet again.
Josh Stone is the new Barry Burton. Great character who will never be seen again...
Originally posted by ChrisRedfield29 View PostTL;DR: I think the characters of RE5 all sucked a bunch in their own way, but I think Sheva sucked the least.
RE5 honorable mention: Chris Redfield and Josh Stone.
Maybe later I'll post about my least favorites, with reasons. If I feel like it.
i liked her in RE5, but not as much as i liked her other versions, but i do agree that all the characters kinda sucked. though i did like Chris a lot in RE5.
i have nothing against Sheva but i do think she was a little bland, and she was just as much a plot device as Jill was.
Originally posted by News Bot View PostI didn't really care for Jill's presence in the game. It's not her story, it's Chris'. She was used as a plot device to give Chris a reason for continuing a mission he would have otherwise dropped everything and ditched at a moment's notice. Her presence in general is done to develop Chris' character.
Her role was fitting and worked well for what it was. She received better character development than she would have had she been a central character. It's much like the situation in MGS2, where Snake received better character development as a result of not being a central character.
Jill was never the main character of the series. She was always second to none other than Chris. If you expected anything more from her in RE5, you were hoping for far too much. And to be honest, I like her a lot more after RE5 now and I'm glad Capcom took a risk and slightly tweaked her general appearance.
Also BSAA Jill is awesome/best iteration of Jill ever. Sort of an awesome mixture of her S.T.A.R.S. outfit and her outfit in Umbrella's End. She's my favourite character in Mercenaries and she looks fucking awesome with long hair, far better than her other appearances (without her beret at least).
also Chris was never the main character of the series either. im really starting to get anoyed with this. Resident Evil has an ensemble cast of Jill, Chris, Claire, Leon, Rebecca and Wesker! there all the main characters, no one moreso than another.
i like her STARS outfit better, then her BSAA outfit.
Originally posted by Sina View PostI don't get the big complaint about Jill. Did you bitch and moan that Barry was used as a plot device in RE3 aswell? How are cameos of the series main characters a negative in your mind? Would you rather they didn't appear at all? What's your big issue? My favourite parts of the RE5 story revolved around her. Her and Chris's interactions were pretty much the only real drama of the game. Was she used as a marketing device? Disregarding the fact that someone who doesn't look up RE5 forums on the internet wouldn't even know she was in the game, how is her being used as a marketing device a bad thing? People want to see her, so fuck Capcom for supplying her?
People knew RE5 was about Chris, Sheva and Wesker from the start. The RE series has always been about focusing on as few characters as possible per game, so if anyone expected Jill to play a bigger part than she did, and she played a pretty big part for being a "plot device", then you can blame your dissapointment on whatever fantasy your own mind concocted of what RE5 was supposed to be.
And I don't really get how being a plot device is a negative either. They throw in a classic character, but god forbid they make them relative to the plot.
i was dissapointed with RE5's characters to, and with RE5 Jill, but that doesn't mean she's th eworst thing in the game, and her file is great.
Originally posted by TheOvermind001 View PostWhy wasn't Spencer an option?
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I voted for Irving. It's a shame he only got three votes. Personally though, I think it should be about characters introduced in RE5 - i.e. Sheva, Josh, Irving, etc. As opposed to pre-existing characters, since they already have a strong following and you know that everyone is just going to vote for Jill.See you in hell.
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Wesker was by far the best character in the game ( imo). Despite him not having near as much cutsceen and story time as he deserved and needed, he still stood out, and he was still the cool, calm, and backstabbing sob he awlays has been, but even better. Pretty well every other character seemed flat compared to him. Excella was the closest, and she actually intrigued me, her lust for power and wesker was cool, and i found myself wondering if this was all there. I think overall, not enough time was spent on characters aside from chris and sheva, and for all the effort to show theses two off, they were the worst.
Cutscenes always focused on them in the same manner. It was either them talking idly about jill or somethign very in the moment, or it was just a set up for a boss fight to come, or a majini horde. Capcom said chris would be fleshed out, we would know what he has bee doing for the last ten years, and we still have no idea.
Sheva was the wosrt imo. Terrible. Her lines were just to state the obvious, and then a few cheezy ones at the end. she only had one cutsceen that talked of her, and then it was just her beign chris's sidekick and stating in the moment questions.
More cutscenens dealign with things not in the moment would have been better served, similar to how we see a few ( very few) wesker cutscenes.
The files were great, but they hyped the story and hollywood productions so huge, it was a letdown to spend 3/4 of the game searchign for jill in cutscenes, nothign else having much time in the limelight, then jill coems , its cool then, but three very short cutscenes, and all fo a sudden its chase wesker onto the boat.
Okay, sorry for the rant, went off tangent. Wesker was the best imo.
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