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  • im sorry MIssvalentine, but i have to agree with all of the statements countr to yours. I like Jill, she is my favourite female, but to say she is the best Re5 character is just fanboyism, in that she is of very little screen time, and of very little development or plot. Its really that simple, i mean she can be your favourite characetr because she's she, but to say she is the best , tehre really is nothing to back that up with except taht you just like her

    I agree, it seems as if anything tah tdeosnt take place in Raccoon, 1998, or with Jill as the lead isnt of the Re feel, but its nto a good way to limit your views. You have to be open for interpretation, and too know new things and take joy in the evolution of the series, as long as it can stay just an evolution. ( probably doesnt make sense, lol)

    But, Wesker was arguably the best Re 5 character, because beyond the very well done files, not many of the characters have much development. Ill even show it in a character by character manner.

    Irving- We find out early on we are looking for him, and that he is a bio-weapons dealer. We later see him in a short cutscene, he has some laughable lines, and we find out he is heading to an oil field. We see him much later, iwalking up some steps in the oil fields. As well, he mocks us from his ship and blows up the oil field. Soon after, his biggest part is a slightly longer cutscene, in which we find out Jill threatened him, and gave him some virus. He has some funny lines, he mutates, and we see a everyone looks down on him ( his biggest development). Thereafter, he mocks us more, says were screwed, and wasnt given the good stuff.
    Development: Low, he serevs one purpose really, to become a boss, and be a pawn. No character revealed really, except he is looked down on.

    Excella- First appears with wesker, where her tricell position is secured because wesker brought las plagas to her. She comes on to wesker, and shows some hostility to the way she is treated. She also mocks him about concern over chris. She then appears on the computer screen , some cryptic stuff about perhaps some involvemnt in the bsaa on her part, and then mocks us about jill. She is above us when we fight uro 3, and reveals she believes in weskers plan, and not much else. Briefly in the ruins with the 2 vs w. Finally, she was betrayed, and screams weske,r and mutates

    Development: A little better then irving, but still very little. Aside from her wantign to be albert's partner, being a head of tricell and involved in the BSAA, she becoems a boss, and little else.


    Spencer- ALl of his roles are flashbacks. We find out he was trying to use the progenitor for the evolution of mankind, his ultmite motive. As well, we find out he created the wesker Project, and was trying to become a god by forcing this evolution. Finally, he is very arrogant, and wesker kills him. Not much else to say in the cutscenes.

    Development: Very short, but his motives explained. So in truth, very little, but of that little, it was important.

    Jill- We find out mroe about jill through chris's eyes then anything, and its not much. Basically, she isnt explaiend at all until later. She joined teh BSAA with Chris, she helped him on missions, they went looking for spencer, they fought wesker, she made took wesker out of the window, and dissappeared, was presmued dead. Much much later, we find out she was birdlady ( Duh?) she has super human abilities, cant control her actions, but knows they are wrong, and this mysterious device is controlling her through weskers cell phone.she also now has blonde hair, and blue eyes. she shows remorse after beating on chris and sheva, and also tells chris to trust her. After, she phones us, she lets us know how to kill wesker, and then is present at the end and hansd the rockets over. She actually has almost no character development.

    Development: Very poor, perhaps the worst. She is only revealed to have been mistake to have died, and be controlled, and very vert little more in character development.

    Sheva- We find out early she is the one assigned from the west Africa BSAA to help chris on his mission. She speaks swahili. Later, we find out Josh Stone was her mentor. She has some lines here and there, and is curious about Chris and his partner. She can apparently hold her own. Aside from a few lines in cutscenes dedicated to bosses or majini hordes, her only other plot is when they are on the boat, and her past and how umbrella fits into it is revealed. for the most part, her role is then used as odd lines , and little else except helping chris. At one point, she thinks they should cut and run, but then decides to stick with chris, so loyalty is shown.
    Development: Not much to speak of. She has a short moment on the boat, but only serevs later to aid chris in battles, adda few encouraging lines, and then finish wesker with a cheezy line.

    Wesker: Wesker kicks in when you combine both flashbacks at the estate fight. We find out that he was there at this spencer estate when Chris and jill were looking for Wesker. He Killed spencer ( revealed how later) and gets into a scrap with both chris and Jill. He is taken out the window with Jill, and his body isnt found. Later, we find out he has employed Excella as a sidekick, and is working on a project called uroborous, and wont tolerate delays. Then later, the protagonists first meet him at the ruins, and this is where its revealed he is controlling jill, and he only has seven minutes to play with us. He then says Jill is suffering, and he has work to do. Late,r he has his own flashbacks. He was in 2006, at the spenceer estate, where he finds out he was cmanufactured to be the player he was by Spencer, part of a wesker project, in which none but he survived. He was part of a plan to force evolution upon the world, but all was lost with raccoon. Then, he kills spencer, and takes spencer ideas, to become a god, and decides he will become a god instead. Later, when we fight him, dialogue during thefight reveals alot. At the ship deck, on the speaker, he says that uroborous will be the new dawn, and will force evolution upon the world. Later, we fight him, and he reveals that he seeks not to be king, but regarded as a god, for this act he will commit. He also says he believes tehre is too many people, and only those with superior DNA will survive his genesis. As well, we find out the virus in him is unstable, and that an overdoe of PG67AW will hurt him. On the plane. we find out he seeks to deploy missiles of the virus into the air, ensuring complete global stauration. In the volcano, he shows he is not immune to Uroborous, and turns all black and grimy.

    Development: Although in no way perfect or even terrific development, he shows the most. His motives and his origin are revealed, as well as his role with spencer, his ulmiate motive, his roel with jill, his weakness, his unstable virus, and why he thinks he should be a god. the best done, but had much room for improvement.

    Chris: Chris reveals early on that he is Part of the BSAA, and that their role is too stop global bio terrorism. He meets, sheva, and it reveals he is haunted by something abotu his last partner. He is looking for Irving. He reveals he was given info that Jill might be in Kijiju somehow, and that he will not stop tell he find her. This formual pervades for a long time, until the boat, where we find out exactly what happened. So he feels regret because jill died that night. Alot of the stry is him looking for jill, his dailogue aimed at that, to the point the antagonists mock him for it. Thne, we find jill, and he tried to get her to come to her sense. Jill time over, andhis jill obsession is traded for wesker. He reveals to sheva who and what wesker was, why they are looking for him. Little else to sya, except at the end, he is sick and tired of weskers bullshit, and that it was all worth fighting for.

    Chris was okay, he had some decent time in the spotlight, but often was cornered into the role of mindless action, looking for jill, much of the dialogue aimed at Jill, which is fine for what it is, but doesnt help mov along his character. Aside from the beggining, the boat, and the very end, he suffers as well, and its sad to sya, he was the second best developed

    Thats of course, if you dont look at the files, which are well done. But, going by story and cutscenes alone, tahst the jist of what i saw, and thats really all. To me, when you look at it like that, compared to say, MGS 4 or even classic Re games, its not very well done. Even with the files, i still think character per character, what i said stands as the points.

    But take it for what you will.

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    • What does Boba Fett have to do with anything? And you just said that someone who thinks he is awesome even though his appearance is limited is a "fanboy," which I don't think is a positive term most times. So in essence, you are labeling yourself in a negative light since you also are fanatical over a character that made a brief appearance in RE5.

      And if anything, a Boba Fett reference would be good for HUNK, as their primary appeal comes from the fact that they're a masked figure who looks cool and possesses an air of mystery. But for someone to identify with (or idolize) Fett over say, Darth Vader or Han Solo or Luke Skywalker (prominent characters with massive screen time and relevance to the story), is just ridiculous.

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      • Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
        What does Boba Fett have to do with anything? And you just said that someone who thinks he is awesome even though his appearance is limited is a "fanboy," which I don't think is a positive term most times. So in essence, you are labeling yourself in a negative light since you also are fanatical over a character that made a brief appearance in RE5.

        And if anything, a Boba Fett reference would be good for HUNK, as their primary appeal comes from the fact that they're a masked figure who looks cool and possesses an air of mystery. But for someone to identify with (or idolize) Fett over say, Darth Vader or Han Solo or Luke Skywalker (prominent characters with massive screen time and relevance to the story), is just ridiculous.
        I have to agree with you JB. I'm not going to say that Chris plays a bigger role than Jill, but he is a HUGE part of Resident Evil, period. I dont think any one character can be summed up as the "star" of the series, because the main resident evil storyline is actually two storylines. You have the Chris/Jill/Wesker storyline(0,1,3,5,UC), the Claire/Leon storyline (2,4,degeneration,DC)and then CV,which is split down the middle.
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        • Originally posted by Wanderer View Post
          TL;DR

          As I argued before, if you are going based on screentime then the list should only be Chris, Sheva and maybe Wesker. You argued that Wesker was great partly because of his files but then you went on to neglect that Jill had one as well. The first time I watched someone play through the game, I saw Jill and was like "YES!" then during Chapter 6...I felt like "Wait..thats it?...how disappointing". But then after that I read her file and felt that added alot more then I was expecting. Personally I just felt that it was a nice ironic twist about her fighting bioterrorism all those years and then being a key part of one of the most terrifying (or at least we are told it is) bioweapons. Its not great character development, but does anyone in Resident Evil have that?

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          • Jill Valentine for sure. 4 of the 5 best scenes of RE5 for me were with her.

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            • "Its not great character development, but does anyone in Resident Evil have that?"

              It doesnt have to stay that course though does it? It could, and should change, maybe they will focus on that for Re6 one can only hope, as the characters seem to get less and less interestign and less and less useful.

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              • Originally posted by Darinl1979 View Post
                As I argued before, if you are going based on screentime then the list should only be Chris, Sheva and maybe Wesker.
                This poll is kind of pointless as it is...the original post said to vote based on the game of RE5 alone, without regard to previous appearances of the characters. And then as you said, that leaves only about 3 characters to really choose from (who possess any real substance in the context of the individual game).

                So this whole thread is pretty much moot.

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                • Originally posted by Wanderer View Post
                  "Its not great character development, but does anyone in Resident Evil have that?"

                  It doesnt have to stay that course though does it? It could, and should change, maybe they will focus on that for Re6 one can only hope, as the characters seem to get less and less interestign and less and less useful.
                  They need to just follow the same formula they have for characters but bring a horror aspect back into it. If they try to give characters more depth, people will cry "OMGZ METAL GEAR RIPOFF...FU CAPCOM LRN2THINKONUROWN". I think RE5 did better then previous games with its character plots but they are still pretty shallow. The trailers made us think that new characters like Irving and Excella would be epic but they fell really short. People thought Wesker was going to be this phenomanal villian but that fell short as well. Im not saying I am unhappy with the game or the characters, but if you compare it to other games with great stories/characters...its going to be lacking something. But if you look at it for what it is, Resident Evil, then it is actually pretty good.

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                  • Originally posted by Darinl1979 View Post
                    They need to just follow the same formula they have for characters but bring a horror aspect back into it. If they try to give characters more depth, people will cry "OMGZ METAL GEAR RIPOFF...FU CAPCOM LRN2THINKONUROWN". I think RE5 did better then previous games with its character plots but they are still pretty shallow. The trailers made us think that new characters like Irving and Excella would be epic but they fell really short. People thought Wesker was going to be this phenomanal villian but that fell short as well. Im not saying I am unhappy with the game or the characters, but if you compare it to other games with great stories/characters...its going to be lacking something. But if you look at it for what it is, Resident Evil, then it is actually pretty good.
                    I agree and disagree with you Darini, and respect your opinion. If iResident Evil were to follow the MGS character development formula, i for one would b happy and proud to see characters like wesker, chris, and jill fleshed out so they feel as real as snake, liquid, and others. I dont think they need to 'copy' MGS per say, but i think yes, defintly more character depth, and overall work towarsd crafting stories better is at hand.

                    I agree that tehy need to bring the horror aspect, i was very happy with Re4 for what it was, an action Re game, with a funny wacky story, but was defintly lackign in horror and survival, mroe of a linear action game. Re 5, althouhg 'better' in many ways, was essentially the same, and after promising returns to its roots, fell flat for me. I think the Re4 system can work, but not so in the way they are headed. Brign horror back please.

                    I would say Re5 did better with its character plot only minutely. And taht was with the main antagonist, and protagonist ( wesker and chris) but actually, i think sheva, excella, spencer, Jill, and irving were terribly done, even for Resident Evil, they feel flat entirely. The trailers did hype it up, and of course, anyone who watched those, would feel bad because it gave a fals impression. Wesker was done okay, not great, defintly not for his last showing, a dissappointment for his fans.

                    Yes, compared to otehr games including MGS 4, Re 5 was lacking. But is it so wrong to compare? for one. Re 5 very much presnted itself ina different way then the rest of the series, includign Re4. It was promsied to be an epic close to the story arc, as well as be the most story and character focused of them all. In that way, capcom failed, they promised, and didnt deliver. In taht way, why not compare it to MGS 4? they both sought to end a story arc, and one had terrific characetr development, the otehr very shallow

                    Case and point, Re5 set itself up to play with the big hitters in story and character development, and in no waywas it competetive. I think they should very well take a page out of Konamis book, and give us depth and emotion to the characters, as well as go back towards its horror roots, and stop this steady march ion the linear shooter it has become

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                    • Originally posted by Wanderer View Post

                      I would say Re5 did better with its character plot only minutely. And taht was with the main antagonist, and protagonist ( wesker and chris) but actually, i think sheva, excella, spencer, Jill, and irving were terribly done, even for Resident Evil, they feel flat entirely. The trailers did hype it up, and of course, anyone who watched those, would feel bad because it gave a fals impression. Wesker was done okay, not great, defintly not for his last showing, a dissappointment for his fans.
                      This. My first opinion of Irving: What a loser. Later: Wow...he's losing it. Wonder how that plays out! Game reaction: Utter disappointment. Every scene with Irving was shown in the trailers in some fashion, even his dying monologue.


                      Originally posted by Jill's Boob View Post
                      This poll is kind of pointless as it is...the original post said to vote based on the game of RE5 alone, without regard to previous appearances of the characters. And then as you said, that leaves only about 3 characters to really choose from (who possess any real substance in the context of the individual game).

                      So this whole thread is pretty much moot.
                      This. Especially when the person that created the poll already had a heavily biased opinion. Not trying to call MissV out, but its true.
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                      • Originally posted by Rosetta Mist View Post
                        Don't compare Star Wars to Resident Evil. Ever. Boba Fett fanboys don't base their love for him only on the movies. He's a lot more expanded upon in the many different books.
                        yeah i know, im as much of a Star Wars fan as a Resident Evil fan, but likely the reason for all the Boba Fett Expanded Universe is because of his small appearances in the movies. he's kinda like HUNK really, except he got developed into a really cool character later on.

                        Originally posted by ChrisRedfield29 View Post
                        Spencer: 90+ years old and wheelchair-bound
                        Wesker: Superhuman strength and speed

                        Wut?
                        your thinking of it the wrong way, Wesker VS Spencer would be stupid since it's human VS Human. that is completely opposite of what RE is about, and why i think that Chris VS Wesker is and always was a stupid storyline. RE is about Human's surviving monsters.

                        so what is Spencer released a new form of Tyrant on Wesker, or an Updated Nemesis, or somethign new altogether. i mean Spencer is Umbrella's head afterall.

                        Originally posted by Wanderer View Post
                        RE5 character analysis.
                        the only reason for Jill's reletivelty small character development was because she was only in about 3 2 scenes where she said more than 1 sentance, she did all this stuff behind the scenes which would ahve been great to see. but no capcom goes with Chris and we just see Jill at the end. anyways, she still was a good character because she's still amost the same Jill we know from Raccoon City. it's a shame no Jill side mission has been released yet. it could really be a good chance to develop her character.

                        Originally posted by REmaster View Post
                        I have to agree with you JB. I'm not going to say that Chris plays a bigger role than Jill, but he is a HUGE part of Resident Evil, period. I dont think any one character can be summed up as the "star" of the series, because the main resident evil storyline is actually two storylines. You have the Chris/Jill/Wesker storyline(0,1,3,5,UC), the Claire/Leon storyline (2,4,degeneration,DC)and then CV,which is split down the middle.
                        i agree with the no one character can be called the star of Resident Evil, when people say that i get annoyed. all the characters have equal importance to the story and there is multiple storylines not just Chris's and Weskers.

                        also, i think that RE is becomming far to plot centric for my likeing. if a game is plot centric they have less focus on the gameplay aspects and more focus goes into the plot. i liked RE back when it was gameplay centric and the plot was just biult around the gameplay. that is why RE3, RE1 and Outbreak are my favorites. RE3 probably has the simplest plot out of all the series, yet it's the most fun, as the best gameplay and is just awesome to play and is my favorite, and RE1 has a reletively simple or B grade story, so they had a lot more time to focus on gameplay elements like the atmoshpere and the survival aspects and how the gameplay worlks and how fun it is to play and everythign that makes a good RE game. but then with CVX it tried to be more focused on plot, but the gameplay took a huge step backworkds and was probably the weakest int he series gameplay and horror wise, and RE5 focused even more on story, so much with all the partners theme to it and all the story, that the whole game was Co-op, it was not scary at all, was in the day time, had a team of special forces guys running around in a villaige and was quite bad in terms of just gameplay and especially the survival horror aspect of RE5. i liked RE for it's gameplay, i couldn't really care less about the storyline, it's unimportant, and to have a good storyline you have to have an antagonist, and that would ahve to be a human, like Wesker, and then a a protagonist to fight him, which leads to Human VS Human, In a Horror Game. where supposed to be killing zombies and monsters! not humans, that is why i never liked Chris VS Wesker very much. i liked Jill because she was always killing the monsters and doing interesting things like escaping zombie filled citys. in fact i started liking Jill because she was in all my favorrite RE games, RE3 and RE1 were my favorites and Jill was the protagonist in both and had all the best parts in them. so she quickly became my favorite. plus i like her character as well. but Chris, he fights Wesker, a human, or sub-human, but Jill, Claire and Leon, they fight things like Nemesis, Birking, Mr.X and tons of other monsters like that, so i liked them better. i really hate the direction the series has gone in, so yes i do like Jill more than RE4 and RE5, but i like the classics even more because without them Jill would be nothing. IMO The Classics > Characters in the Classics > New RE. and just to prove my point, even Re4 was gameplay centric, i never really was bothered to much with RE4's story, i just hated it because of it's gameplay, because it changed, but at least it was still focused on gameplay and had the creative freedom to do what it wanted and not to be bound by a storyline. unlike RE5 with it's ZERO scary parts in it, at least RE4 had regenorators and an atmospheric somewhat scary locale. i think it would have been a lot better to keep RE gameplay centric because i played RE for gameplay not story, if i want a good story ill read Lord of the Rings or play MGS. i don't go to RE for a good story, i go to RE for fun gameplay.

                        anyway i said what i wanted to say, i don't know if anyone will agree with me but i liked it back when RE was about the scares and gameplay not about it's story.

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                        • Originally posted by missvalentine View Post
                          your thinking of it the wrong way, Wesker VS Spencer would be stupid since it's human VS Human. that is completely opposite of what RE is about, and why i think that Chris VS Wesker is and always was a stupid storyline. RE is about Human's surviving monsters.
                          Looking past the fact that Wesker IS NOT human and HAS NOT been human for a very long time...don't tell me I'm thinking of it the wrong way when I was responding to what YOU said. And I quote...

                          anyways, i think it would have been better if Wesker had not killed Spencer, what if Wesker had confronted Spencer and had underestimated him and then have Spencer beat Wesker to within and inch of his life.
                          ...where is there any mention of B.O.W.'s in your post? Am I a mind-reader?


                          Originally posted by missvalentine View Post
                          so what is Spencer released a new form of Tyrant on Wesker, or an Updated Nemesis, or somethign new altogether. i mean Spencer is Umbrella's head afterall.
                          Your logic is so incredibly flawed. Without even getting into the fact that Wesker absolutely annihilated any B.O.W. that was sent his way in previous RE games, you're forgetting that Umbrella is dismantled and long gone, and Spencer is in hiding. You think he has a crack research team sitting around, developing B.O.W.'s for him? He's a goddamn old man living in a castle, waiting for Wesker to show up and follow through on his predetermined destiny.
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                          • Originally posted by ChrisRedfield29 View Post
                            Okay, but don't tell me I'm thinking of it the wrong way when I was responding to what YOU said. And I quote...



                            ...where is there any mention of B.O.W.'s in your post? Am I a mind-reader?




                            Your logic is so incredibly flawed. Without even getting into the fact that Wesker absolutely annihilated any B.O.W. that was sent his way in previous RE games, you're forgetting that Umbrella is dismantled and long gone, and Spencer is in hiding. You think he has a crack research team sitting around, developing B.O.W.'s for him? He's a goddamn old man living in a castle, waiting for Wesker to show up and follow through on his predetermined destiny.
                            ok i apoligise.

                            but it doesn't have to make sense, it's supossed to be B grade, does having all the puzzles in the classics make sense? NO, but there sure fun as hell. he doesn't have to be in a mansion, Umbrella never had to die, all this stuff is a product of capcoms crappy storyline. oh and im pretty sure Wesker got his ass kicked by the Tyrant in the mansion. and he hasn't been up against once since unless you count Alexia who also beat him. i don't know what he did in UC since i never played it, but that capcom storytelling and should never have happened.
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                            • Originally posted by missvalentine View Post
                              yeah i know, im as much of a Star Wars fan as a Resident Evil fan, but likely the reason for all the Boba Fett Expanded Universe is because of his small appearances in the movies. he's kinda like HUNK really, except he got developed into a really cool character later on.
                              But you're not a Resident Evil fan, you're a Jill fan.

                              your thinking of it the wrong way, Wesker VS Spencer would be stupid since it's human VS Human. that is completely opposite of what RE is about, and why i think that Chris VS Wesker is and always was a stupid storyline. RE is about Human's surviving monsters.

                              so what is Spencer released a new form of Tyrant on Wesker, or an Updated Nemesis, or somethign new altogether. i mean Spencer is Umbrella's head afterall.
                              Except....Wesker hasn't been a normal human since RE1. Pay attention a bit more to someone that isn't Jill. And Wesker has taken on other BOWs before...Lisa Trevor, the Ivans, and Sergei's mutated form. And guess what....he destroyed them. Easily.


                              the only reason for Jill's reletivelty small character development was because she was only in about 3 2 scenes where she said more than 1 sentance, she did all this stuff behind the scenes which would ahve been great to see. but no capcom goes with Chris and we just see Jill at the end. anyways, she still was a good character because she's still amost the same Jill we know from Raccoon City. it's a shame no Jill side mission has been released yet. it could really be a good chance to develop her character.
                              Because Chris was the main protagonist of the game. Get over it and stop crying about Jill. You make the same arguments every single time. You think it would be interesting to see Jill following Excella around, doing aboslutely nothing? Yeah....you probably would.

                              i agree with the no one character can be called the star of Resident Evil, when people say that i get annoyed. all the characters have equal importance to the story and there is multiple storylines not just Chris's and Weskers.
                              But all you talk about is Jill, so why do you even care about the other characters?

                              also, i think that RE is becomming far to plot centric for my likeing. if a game is plot centric they have less focus on the gameplay aspects and more focus goes into the plot..
                              So....you dislike a game because it has plot? How the hell do you think characters develop? It's not through simply walking around a map sir. The plot is what builds a character. A game can still have a great plot and wonderful game mechanics. Just look at thousands of other games out there. You're problem is you simply dislike the change. You don't want to accept it.
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                              • Originally posted by missvalentine View Post
                                oh and im pretty sure Wesker got his ass kicked by the Tyrant in the mansion. and he hasn't been up against once since unless you count Alexia who also beat him. i don't know what he did in UC since i never played it, but that capcom storytelling and should never have happened.
                                Once again...he was still human when the Tyrant defeated him. The virus didn't take shape and have an effect on him until he was killed, and then revived with super-powers. And oh by the way, his 'death' in RE1 was planned -- you see him prepping for his demise in UC.

                                As for Alexia, he didn't want to fight her one-on-one, he wanted to use her for her virus...he didn't want to kill her. If he wanted to kill her, I'm pretty sure he would've won that battle...there's nothing in his history that makes me think otherwise.

                                Anything else?

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